@ComteDracula

I would like to answer you.

You are welcome :)

Firstly, personally I am very satisfied with Totem's product, since I would no longer buy their product.

That's right we don't need to Discuss about that, otherwise your Collection would be way smaller.
But even Users with smaller Collections are satisfied.
And yes i'm in Contact with those kind of Users via PM, and of course i'm one of them.

It is not a recognition problem that we are dealing with here.

Honestly, i'm not 100% sure to have trust in to this Statement,
because (but maybe i'm wrong) you are driven by your Emotions, just like myself in specific Situations.
Another problem is, we are talking via Text Conversation and this is the worst case Scenario.
Trust me i don't like that at all, but we have deal with it, otherwise i'm jumping in an ICE
and make a Trip to France to you.

The problem here is called "Customer Frustration". "Unnecessary provocation by putting certain tempting cards on display,
with the aim of getting people to participate in games of chance to obtain them, without certain certainty of obtaining them,
and this, at the risk of having to spend big and to end up with products they did not want ".

The problem is that Frustration is developed each in us own for ourself.
Because we are fixated on unimportant things too much.
And yes it is a Gambling Game you can Win, you can Loose. But at the End you decide to play these Games or not.
Just like the Statement yesterday from @Lemac7625

https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/45511/1#post677039

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All the better if you are satisfied.

So you see you can be Happy about each others, because many many other people in our World
are not be able to do that. Please read both Articles 😉

thoughtcatalog.com/nikki-zarrella/2019/07/…

https://exploringyourmind.com/why-cant-i-be-happy-for-others/

So much the better if you want to play games of chance. If that is your desire, I have nothing against it.

Here is the Difference, i don't want to play these Games maybe ... a big maybe in the Future, i don't know.
My Decision is to Buy further Credit Packs, and Buying the Shows i want.
And i think that is Ok for Totem, each to their own. And i'm not the only one which made that Decision.

But someone at Totem is going to have to realize, that there are people who refuse to participate in these games of chance

Nevermind, you were already the one, which was realizing to not to participate in these Games,
at least in this Moment.

for various reasons

Absolutely, and you have your own Reason for not participating in these Gambling Games.

and that these people are ready to pay more if it is. necessary to obtain them.

Unfortunately, everything in this World has it's Price it is what it is. And when you don't want to pay
the Price then you should leave it. I know it is easier said than done, but there is a simple and effective
method, which is helping me a lot in my past ...
Accept the Situation, otherwise you will loose your Focus on the really important things.
YES, it helped me a lot.

Just a possibility to have them and have the full collection of the girls we love and appreciate

Totem is giving you these possibilities, obtaining them through Gambling, and other methods
which i mentioned yesterday already. But unfortunately people are forgetting about that.

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Sure you are not getting that specific SEC which you wanted, maybe. But i'm 100% Sure, and Yes
i think Totem will not Milk us and they will provide similar Offers/possibilities in the Future.
Just as they did it in the past.

Keep the Patience, this is your Reward > https://youtu.be/ydvfkxenDSQ?t=93

without continually getting them in the face to stoke our frustration.

Like i was saying on the beginning, either Totem or the SEC in front to your Face,
are not the Situations in any way, which are Frustrating you.

Your Frustration is laying deeper, but i'm not an Therapist, but I know one of them 😉
And be 100% sure, that is no Brain Washing, it is Mind Opening

We don't need morals. We are adults and very capable of understanding
that Totem is in business and needs to make money to survive and keep paying its costs.

So you see, you are already completely aware for the important Facts.
Don't you think you should act as an Adult person, and not as a Yelling little Baby, which is not getting his Lollipop.

Really Sorry for that Words 💚 ✌ but this is what i'm continuously seeing here since several Months,
from different Users. And guess what Yelling and Crying didn't helped in any way yet,
because Totem is not Milking us. Because they can't take care about yelling little Babys as cute as they are,
they have to take care about her Business.

And yes, it is no Question that Customer care is Important, but we as a Customer/User are not
be able to look behind the Curtain.

But when we talk seriously, which i still can't really see through most of that Topics,
then i'm sure Totem will react, because both sides want an Happy Ending, that is for sure.
But you can't satisfy anybody, it is what it is.

Talking seriously is always the smart way to bring people together,
to developing Solutions for a Long Term Relationship.
But Yelling and Crying is helping no one, because it's loud and annoying.

@Monsieur le comte

Je doute que la direction vous réponde. Il est évident que chaque client leur importe, mais si des centaines de clients sont disposés à payer quelques cartes à 200, 300, 400 crédits, plutôt que 11, 13 ou 20 crédits, ils ne renonceront pas à ces revenus. Il faudrait une fronde massive pour que Totem change cette façon de faire. Personnellement, j'ai renoncé à acheter les SEC et à me priver de ces cartes et j'***** chaque fois qu'une de mes favorites se retrouve derrière le "paywall", mais la plupart des gens semblent prêts à payer des sommes absurdes, alors... Je suis convaincu que l'entreprise perd ainsi des clients et celà pourrait leur nuire à terme, mais à court terme ce système est là pour rester. En attendant, Je ne peux que vous suggéger de ne pas participer au gambling. Plus nous serons à nous opposer à cette façon de faire, plus il y a de chances pour qu'ils y renoncent.

Here is another thing, i could imagine that the Ticket System will be over *****
every Day with useless Request and Suggestions, which could be dealing with that in the Forum.
If these Users are willing to use the Forum of course. Many if them don't do it, we know that.
I was one of them at the Beginning 😉

Exactly like in Germany, where people are calling the Emergency Hotline 110,
because of an Butterfly Insect in their Apartment. And they are not be able to
get rid of it, and call the Police, Yap that is really no Joke.

And now Imagine you have hundred over hundred of Customers with an Butterfly Insect in their Apartment.
And Totem shall get rid of it.

To Isolate the really important Tickets in this Situation is not that Funny.
I know this should not be our Concern, but to handle a Business is not that easy,
as we Customers can see it, sitting in Front of the iStripper Client.

There are always two sides of the Medal.

So much to that, i wish you all the Best to get an satisfying Solution to get your SEC Card's.
For myself they are not that really Important ... maybe in the far far Future.

I'm sorry @Stanston, but I find you really "moralistic".

Who are you to judge people, tell them that they need therapy and that they are "big, crying babies"?

I am only reflecting what this Totem policy is causing frustration for several people here.

For my part @RAGORN, if you read the beginning of this discussion thread, you will understand that it has been a long time since I personally gave up on SEC, that I no longer have any hope, nor do I trust Totem to change things, although I would love to have clear answers. Because as I said, this silence of Totem, and to see that this one does nothing to calm the grumbling of several customers, exasperates me. You only have to see the number of threads of discussion on this subject to be convinced.

https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/45507/1?post=676708

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Je te félicite @Voyeurpervers. Je crois que lorsque plus de gens comme toi et moi vont réaliser que d'essayer d'aquérir ce genre de carte par les jeux de hasard, ne sert l'intérêt de personne, cela va...

On the contrary. I encourage even more people who want these cards, not to participate in games of chance, as I did with @Voyeurpervers.

Because they are being drained of their money NEEDEDLY.

For those who still have it, it's up to them to use their money as they see fit.

On the other hand, I don't judge the people who do so, so I expect them not to judge the people who are willing to pay these more expensive cards, outside of gambling.


Je m'excuse @Stanston, mais je vous trouve vraiment "moralisateur".

Qui êtes-vous pour juger les gens, leur dire qu'ils ont besoin d'une thérapie et qu'ils sont de "gros bébés, qui pleurent" ?

Je ne fait que reflété ce que cette politique de Totem cause comme frustration chez plusieurs personnes ici.

Pour ma part @RAGORN, si vous lisez le début de ce fil de discussion, vous allez comprendre qu'il y a longtemps que j'ai personnellement renoncé aux SEC, que je n'ai plus aucun espoir, ni ne fait confiance à Totem pour changer des choses, même si j'aimerais fortement avoir des réponses claires. Car comme je le disais, ce silence de Totem, et de voir que celui-ci ne fait rien pour calmer la grogne de plusieurs clients, m'exaspère. Il n'y a qu'à voir le nombre de fils de discussion sur ce sujet pour s'en convaincre.

https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/45507/1?post=676708

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Je te félicite @Voyeurpervers. Je crois que lorsque plus de gens comme toi et moi vont réaliser que d'essayer d'aquérir ce genre de carte par les jeux de hasard, ne sert l'intérêt de personne, cela va...

Au contraire. J'encourage encore plus les gens qui veulent ces cartes, à ne plus participer aux jeux de hasard, comme je l'ai fait avec @Voyeurpervers.

Car ils se font vider de leur argent INUTILEMENT.

Pour ceux qui le fond tout de même, c'est libre à eux de disposer de leur argent comme ils l'entendent.

Par contre je ne juge pas les gens qui le font, alors je m'attend à ce qu'ils ne jugent pas les gens qui sont prêt à payer ces cartes plus chères, en dehors des jeux de hasard.

@ComteDracula

Who are you to judge people, tell them that they need therapy and that they are "big, crying babies"?

When you are reading between the Lines, you should see that i'm not doing that.
But like i was saying on my previous Post, at this Point i will put my Focus in another Direction.
Good Luck for your SEC's 👍

@Stanton something you might have noticed, a lot of people who express their dislike of the gambling games are long time members. You opened an account in 2018, when SECs were already around, so that was already the norm at the time.
When you've been collecting cards for 5/10 years, therefore supporting the company over time in some way, and suddenly you're told there are cards you can't get even if you pour in hundreds of credits, it doesn't really feel like "your loyalty is valued".

I'm not naive, I know a business doesn't care much about my "loyalty", and is just looking for a way to keep the big wallets coming and attract new customers, and try to make everyone spend as much as possible. Business is business.

As a whole I understand your point & agree with you, after all this is just an entertaining app and SECs represent less than 0.5% of all available cards, so it's not a big deal.
I am just making a few suggestions here and telling people from experience that gambling is not worth it if you're chasing SECs. As many others said before me, if we don't like something, best way is to stop taking part in it.

I agree we should relax about this, be patient & enjoy the girls.

When you are reading between the Lines, you should see that i'm not doing that.
But like i was saying on my previous Post, at this Point i will put my Focus in another Direction.
Good Luck for your SEC's 👍

Wise decision @Stanston,

Keep up the good work in creating scenes, because in this area I sincerely find you excellent.


Sage décision @Stanston,

Continuez votre bon travail dans la création de scènes, car dans ce domaine, je vous trouve sincèrement excellent.

Le point que vous soulignez @arise77 est juste.

Il est vrai que le fait que les règles d'acquisition des SEC aient changés, a contribué à cette frustration.

La preuve j'avais toutes les cartes SEC jusqu'à Melena Maria Rya.


The point you are making @arise77 is correct.

It is true that the fact that the rules for acquiring SECs have changed has contributed to this frustration.

The proof I had all SEC cards up to Melena Maria Rya.

It is true that the fact that the rules for acquiring SECs have changed has contributed to this frustration.

That I can understand, but the original rules for acquiring SECs meant that if you missed the initial event for such a card (e.g. because you were on holiday or joined iStripper after it was introduced) then you could never obtain that SEC. As it happens I did miss out on an early SEC, but I just accepted it rather than get annoyed at Totem. The later change in rules allowed me to obtain it anyway.

That I can understand, but the original rules for acquiring SECs meant that if you missed the initial event for such a card (e.g. because you were on holiday or joined iStripper after they were introduced) then you could never obtain that SEC. As it happens I did miss out on an early SEC, but I just accepted it rather than get annoyed at Totem. The later change in rules allowed me to obtain it anyway.

I am very happy for you, if this way of doing it suits you @TheEmu

But honestly, this is not what justified Totem's policy change.

They could very well have found an accommodation to help people on vacation, to obtain these cards, after they had notified them of this difficulty.

This is real customer service.

Totem's goal is to make the most money from gambling, regardless of the positive or negative consequences it may have on some people.

I want to remind you that even in the casinos here in Quebec, there are people who watch to help people who could develop gambling problems.

Does Totem take this possibility into account?


J'en suis bien heureux pour vous, si cette facon de faire vous conviens @TheEmu

Mais sincèrement ce n'est pas ce qui a justifié le changement de politique de Totem.

Ils auraient très bien pu trouver un accomodement pour aider des gens en vacances, d'obtenir ces cartes, après que ceux-ci leur aient signifié cette difficulté.

C'est ça un vrai service aux clients.

Le but de Totem est de faire le plus d'argent avec les jeux de hasard, peut importe les conséquences positives ou négatives que cela peut avoir sur certaines personnes.

Je veux vous rappeller que même dans les casinos ici au Québec, il y a des gens qui surveillent pour aider des personnes qui pourraient développer des problèmes de Jeux.

Est-ce que Totem tient compte de cette possibiltité ?

But honestly, this is not what justified Totem's policy change.

I did not claim that it was,

Totem introduced SECs

Some people ***** about the rules for obtaining them.

Totem changed the rules to go some way to meeting the original objections.

Some people ***** about the new rules for obtaining them.

They could have simply stuck with the original rules.

I am pretty sure that no matter what they do, short of selling them as normal cards for the normal price, will attract complaints.

@ComteDracula

Pour ma part @RAGORN, si vous lisez le début de ce fil de discussion, vous allez comprendre qu'il y a longtemps que j'ai personnellement renoncé aux SEC que je n'ai plus aucun espoir, ni ne fait confiance à Totem pour changer des choses, même si j'aimerais fortement avoir des réponses claires. Car comme je le disais, ce silence de Totem, et de voir que celui-ci ne fait rien pour calmer la grogne de plusieurs clients, m'exaspère. Il n'y a qu'à voir le nombre de fils de discussion sur ce sujet pour s'en convaincre. [...]Au contraire. J'encourage encore plus les gens qui veulent ces cartes, à ne plus participer aux jeux de hasard, comme je l'ai fait avec @Voyeurpervers.

Dans ce cas, je suis heureux de vous compter au nombre des membres de la Résistance. En espérant que les membres seront nombreux à se joindre à nous.

Et vous avez raison quant au nombre de fils de discussion exprimant la grogne des membres contre les cartes "spéciales". Il est difficile de juger du nombre, mais il est clair que Totem est parvenue à exaspérer plusieurs de leurs clients avec cette façon de faire, incluant de nombreux clients de longue date, comme @arise77 le fait si justement remarquer.

@arise77

@Stanton something you might have noticed, a lot of people who express their dislike of the gambling games are long time members. You opened an account in 2018, when SECs were already around, so that was already the norm at the time.
When you've been collecting cards for 5/10 years, therefore supporting the company over time in some way, and suddenly you're told there are cards you can't get even if you pour in hundreds of credits, it doesn't really feel like "your loyalty is valued".

I'm not naive, I know a business doesn't care much about my "loyalty", and is just looking for a way to keep the big wallets coming and attract new customers, and try to make everyone spend as much as possible. Business is business.

As a whole I understand your point & agree with you, after all this is just an entertaining app and SECs represent less than 0.5% of all available cards, so it's not a big deal.
I am just making a few suggestions here and telling people from experience that gambling is not worth it if you're chasing SECs. As many others said before me, if we don't like something, best way is to stop taking part in it.

I agree we should relax about this, be patient & enjoy the girls.

Great post 👍

I did not claim that it was,

Totem introduced SECs

Some people ***** about the rules for obtaining them.

Totem changed the rules to go some way to meeting the original objections.

Some people ***** about the new rules for obtaining them.

They could have simply stuck with the original rules.

Totem may very well find a way to keep customers happy by allowing those who want to gamble to take the chance to get those cards faster, and allow others who are willing to wait until later (say 1 year) to get these cards at a higher cost.

The solution is so simple. What is so hard to understand or accept about this?

In any case, by selling these more expensive SEC cards, they will be profitable and this will allow Totem to recover these costs.

I have already said it.

It's not the cost that bothers me. On the contrary, if it can help Totem pay girls better, for example, so much the better.

Rather, it is the fact of not being sure to acquire these cards.

I want to know in advance what will cost me what I buy.

And in my case, having all the cards, I have nothing to gain from participating in these games.

I am a collector, not a gambler.



Totem peut très bien trouver une façon de satisfaire les clients en permettant à ceux qui veulent jouer aux jeux de hasard de prendre la chance d'obtenir ces cartes plus rapidement, et permettre aux autres qui sont prêts à attendre plus tard (disons 1 an) d'obtenir ces cartes à un coût supérieur.

La solution est si simple. Qu'est-ce qui est si difficile à comprendre ou a accepter dans cela ?

De toutes façon, en vendant ces cartes SEC plus chères, elles vont se rentabilser et cela va permettre à Totem de rentrer dans ses frais.

Je l'ai déjà dit.

Ce n'est pas le coût qui me dérange. Au contraire, si cela peut aider Totem à payer mieux les filles par exemple, c'est tant mieux.

C'est plutôt le fait de ne pas être certain d'acquérir ces cartes.

Je veux savoir à l'avance ce que va me coûter ce que j'achète.

Et dans mon cas, ayant toutes les cartes, je n'ai rien à gagner à participer à ces jeux.

Je suis un collectionneur, pas un gambler.

In any case, by selling these more expensive SEC cards, they will be profitable and this will allow Totem to recover these costs.

My prediction is that if the SECs were simply sold at a price that was even slightly above the cost of a normal card, let alone the much higher price that we think may be necessary to make up for the reduced participation in the gambling games, then there would be as many, or perhaps even more, complaints than there are currently.

It would, of course, be a different matter if the cards themselves were special, but they are not.

Ce a quoi Totem devrait penser est que acheter des cartes spéciales 100 ou 200 crédits pourrait être envisager par beaucoup d'entre nous. Ce qui gêne est que même dépenser plus aux jeux de hasard ne garanti pas l'obtention des dites cartes. 100 ou 200 crédits devrait permettre a Totem de rentrer largement dans ses frais.

What Totem should be thinking about is that buying special 100 or 200 credit cards could be considered by many of us. What is annoying is that even spending more on games of chance does not guarantee obtaining said cards. 100 or 200 credits should allow Totem to recover largely in its expenses.

@TheEmu,

You have the right to think what you want, or make the predictions you want, the reality is that currently only "gamblers" can acquire these cards.

It is certain that there may still be discontented (there are always), but at least collectors will have a possibility of acquiring these cards.

Because collectors like me are ignored in Totem's decisions.


@TheEmu,

Vous avez le droit de penser à ce que vous voulez, ou faire les prédictions que vous voulez, la réalité est que actuellement seul les "gamblers" peuvent aquérir ces cartes.

Il est certains qu'il risque d'y avoir encore des mécontents (il y en a toujours), mais au moins les collectionneurs vont avoir une possibilité d'acquérir ces cartes.

Car les collectionneurs comme moi sont ignorés dans les décisions de Totem.

It is certain that there may still be discontented (there are always), but at least collectors will have a possibility of acquiring these cards.

But collectors like both of us do have the "possibility of acquiring these cards". The proof of that is seen every month in the list of largest collections.

Neither of us like the current situation, but the solution is not as simple as you say it is.

@TheEmu & Voyeurpervers

My prediction is that if the SECs were simply sold at a price that was even slightly above the cost of a normal card, let alone the much higher price that we think may be necessary to make up for the reduced participation in the gambling games, then there would be as many, or perhaps even more, complaints than there are currently.

It would, of course, be a different matter if the cards themselves were special, but they are not.

Ce a quoi Totem devrait penser est que acheter des cartes spéciales 100 ou 200 crédits pourrait être envisager par beaucoup d'entre nous. Ce qui gêne est que même dépenser plus aux jeux de hasard ne garanti pas l'obtention des dites cartes. 100 ou 200 crédits devrait permettre a Totem de rentrer largement dans ses frais.

Comme @TheEmu, je suis convaincu que le fait de vendre certaines cartes bien au-dessus de la valeur normale engendrerait encore plus d'insatisfaction. Ce qui est certain, c'est que je ne paierais pas 10 ou 20 fois la valeur d'une carte pour le simple plaisir de financer Totem. J'apprécie énormément le logiciel et les efforts de l'équipe afin d'offrir un produit de qualité, mais je ne jette pas mon argent par les fenêtres.

Il y a certainement d'autres moyens d'accroître les revenus d'une entreprise que de "contraindre" ses clients à gambler.

As @TheEmu, I am convinced that selling certain cards well above their normal value would lead to even more dissatisfaction. What is certain is that I would not pay 10 or 20 times the value of a card just for the sake of financing Totem. I really appreciate the software and the team's effort to deliver a quality product, but I'm not throwing my money away.

There are certainly other ways to increase the income of a company that "to constrain" customers to gamble.

I'll draw you a picture @TheEmu,

There are people who are both "collectors" and "gamblers"

Sorry for not having specified this category of member.

Your speech just keeps us going in circles @TheEmu.

I am withdrawing from this discussion, which I feel will end in "fishtail".

Either way, I try to say my thoughts in the most sensible way possible.

I hope so at least.

Make way for others.

And let's continue the fight.

"Those who want these cards should no longer participate in games of chance"

Thanks for reading me.


Je vais vous faire un dessin @TheEmu,

Il y a des gens qui sont à la fois "collectionneurs" et "Gamblers"

Désolé de ne pas vous avoir précisé cette catégorie de membre.

Votre discours ne fait que nous faire tourner en rond @TheEmu.

Je me retire de cette discussion, qui je le sens va se terminer en "queue de poisson".

De toute façon j'ai essayer de dire ma pensée de la façon la plus censé possible.

Je l'espère du moins.

Place aux autres.

Et continuons le combat.

"Ceux et celles qui veulent ces cartes, ne doivent plus participer aux jeux de hasard"

Merci de m'avoir lu.

@arise77
I would like to Answer/Quote to you, because you made some interesting Points

something you might have noticed, a lot of people who express their dislike of the gambling games are long time members. You opened an account in 2018, when SECs were already around, so that was already the norm at the time.

That is true, in compare to yourself and many other Users, i'm not that long on iStripper.
But you are talking from Long time members, and we all know, when you are doing a specific thing too long,
like using iStripper, it will get in most cases Boring over Time. Even if you still like/love the Product.
Maybe it is not the case on yourself, but i lost in my past track on many things which i was doing way too long.
And i was trying to find something new and satisfying on that specific thing, but i was not be able to do that.
And who knows wher i'm standing lets say in 3 or 5 Years for myself and on iStripper.
I can't really tell you today. But i know one for Sure, I Love Girls, and iStripper is giving me an easy and
very convenient way to Access different Type of Girls. Even if i can see them only on my Screen.

When you've been collecting cards for 5/10 years, therefore supporting the company over time in some way,
and suddenly you're told there are cards you can't get even if you pour in hundreds of credits, it doesn't really feel like "your loyalty is valued".

That is indeed a good/important Point, but we (including myself) didn't talk to anyone from the Team in personal
about those internal things, because we are not be able to get involved in to internal Discussions.
And further about Loyalty.

I'm not naive, I know a business doesn't care much about my "loyalty", and is just looking for a way to keep the big wallets coming and attract new customers, and try to make everyone spend as much as possible. Business is business.

That is not a 100% true. As i told earlier in this Topic from that Company which i was working for almost 7 Years.
Of course i will not telling any Names or Persons, but my Boss would liked to give his Customers something back.
And not only as a short period Solution, No as an Long Term Solution for all New and Long Term Customers.
At the end, he had to pay more as he could imagine to have Money for that.
It was ruining almost his Company and many many Customers were pissed off, understandable of course.
And it ended with the Situation where many Customers came in the Store and smashing their
***** and disappointment on me.
Only on myself, i was their match ball for their ***** and offending speaking.
They were Insulting against me on and on, but my Boss was sitting in his Office as like happened nothing.
Until to an specific Point, where he had to call the Police, because of an very mad and nasty Ranting Customer.
Gladly there were no Weapons in play, but he threatened me physically.

And until today i ***** my Boss for that, what he was offering his Customers,
and not thinking about the consequences. Even there was a good Intention in the Background.
Until today i can't get this Situation out of my Head any more.
And i'm thankful to that Customer that he had no Knife or Gun in this Situation with it.
Otherwise he shall ***** in Hell forever.
And this is one of the Reasons why i'm sitting at a Psychologist, because of that ***** in my past.

When one is getting Nasty against someone else, who is not fault for his Situation then you can still handle that.
But not 10 or 15 Customers per Day, against one Employee, and yes it is a true Story.
And we are talking from an Timeline of almost 3 Months.
And at the End, you can't satisfy everyone like i was saying before. It is not possible, because we are all different.
You know > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbzSif78qQ

So with that saying, we don't know who the Teammembers are, or what they are planning,
but i had this Year PM Contact to one specific Teammember.
I will not give any further Details to this Contact/Conversation of course.
But from my Perception with this Conversation i will not believe that Totem isn't aware about our Loyalty.
No way, because this Conversation was just too good, even it was short.

Thanks again to my Conversation Partner at this Point 😊 just in case you are reading here in this Topic.

I agree we should relax about this, be patient & enjoy the girls.

That's right, i'm here for the Girls on iStripper, i will further put my Money in it,
and hoping further for an native Linux Client.

But i really really don't care about the SEC Cards, because i have 1918 other Shows to
enjoy over and over every Day. So please to all have a great Time on iStripper 💚 👍

@ComteDracula

À tout le moins, vous aurez initié une conversation intéressante, qui aura permis à un certain nombre de clients de faire connaître leur point de vue sur le sujet. Alors merci.

Tant mieux si mon point de vue et la conversation qui s'en est suivi a pu s'avérer utile @RAGORN.

Bonne journée à vous. 😊

Je doute que la direction vous réponde.

Ah ça c'est quasi sûr,

Les SEC ne sont pas des cartes à vendre car elles n'ont pas de prix, il faut JUSTE les gagner
en criant "Victoire! j'ai gagné la carte trophée!" et je peux vous assurer qu'elle n'aura pas
le même saveur comme tout ce qui s'arrache difficilement dans la vie.

Et au risque de me répeter, ils ont fait un geste pour Nici, alors avec ça! merci iStripper.

Les SEC ne sont pas des cartes à vendre car elles n'ont pas de prix, il faut JUSTE les gagner
en criant "Victoire! j'ai gagné la carte trophée!" et je peux vous assurer qu'elle n'aura pas
le même saveur comme tout ce qui s'arrache difficilement dans la vie.

Et au risque de me répeter, ils ont fait un geste pour Nici, alors avec ça! merci iStripper.

Je ne voulais plus intervenir, mais je voulais juste faire une précision sur ce que @Sexy3DBoy vient de dire.

Je précise que je respecte beaucoup @Sexy3DBoy.

Par contre je trouve que ses propos sont l'exemple parfait que je parlais de certaines personnes, qui vont conforter Totem dans sa décision de ne rien changer.

Les gens qui jouent à des jeux, n'accepterons jamais que d'autres personnes puissent avoir des cartes à un coût qui pourrait être moindre, que le prix qu'elle pensent avoir payé. Cela va leur procurer un sentiment d'injustice.

C'est pourquoi j'ai dit que Totem avait ouvert une boite de Pandore avec leurs SEC.

Tout objet à une valeur. Il s'agit juste que les gens acceptent de les vendre.

Il y a des objets qui ont même des valeurs sentimentales. Cela ne les empêche pas de les vendre quand la personne est décédée.

On parle ici de cartes, pas d'une vie humaine quand même.

Même les cartes de collection et rares peuvent s'acheter à gros prix dans les magasins de collection de cartes. Il s'agit pour les collectionneurs d'y mettre le prix. La différence avec ici, c'est que ces personnes peuvent les revendres à d'autres collectionneurs.

S'ils ont fait un geste pour Nici, rien ne les empêche de continuer dans ce sens.

Ce qui va ammener aussi une résistance, ce sont les gens qui ne sont pas prêt à payer plus cher les SEC.

Me concernant ce n'est pas grâve, car ils auront au moins une possibilité de les acquiérir en dehors des jeux de hasard.

Petit conseil, si vous ne voulez pas payer plus cher, n'empêcher pas ceux qui veulent le faire. Vous aurez la possibilité de jouer aux jeux de hasard, si vous pensez que c'est mieux pour vous.

Bon je me retire pour de bon.

SEC are not cards for sale because they have no price, you JUST have to earn them
shouting "Victory! I won the trophy card!" and I can assure you that she will not have
the same flavor as everything that is hard to tear off in life.

And at the risk of repeating myself, they made a gesture for Nici, so with that! thanks iStripper.

I didn't want to intervene anymore, but just wanted to clarify what @Sexy3DBoy just said.

I specify that I respect @Sexy3DBoy a lot.

On the other hand I find that his words are the perfect example that I was talking about certain people, who will reinforce Totem in its decision not to change anything.

People who play games will never accept that other people can have cards at a cost that could be less than the price they think they paid. This will give them a feeling of injustice.

That's why I said Totem opened a Pandora's Box with their SEC.

Any object has a value. It's just a matter of people agreeing to sell them.

There are objects that even have sentimental values. This does not prevent them from selling it when the person is deceased.

We're talking about cards here, not human life anyway.

Even collectible and rare cards can be bought at high prices at collectible card stores. It is for collectors to pay the price. The difference with here is that these people can resell them to other collectors.

If they have made a gesture for Nici, nothing prevents them from continuing in this direction.

What will also bring resistance are people who are not prepared to pay more for SEC.

Concerning me it is not serious, because they will at least have a possibility of acquiring them outside of games of chance.

Little advice, if you don't want to pay more, don't prevent those who do. You will have the option of playing games of chance if you think it is better for you.

Well I am retiring for good.

It seems people are getting tired of this, I support this website on every way possible but last time I tried this game of chance I spent 300 credits and no card, I don't know what the rate is and I no longer care, I'll have to live with these special events, but I'm not spending any more money on these special event cards. But with all honesty, if there's ever another website that starts doing these kind of shows I'll definitely give it a try.

It seems people are getting tired of this, I support this website on every way possible but last time I tried this game of chance I spent 300 credits and no card, I don't know what the rate is and I no longer care, I'll have to live with these special events, but I'm not spending any more money on these special event cards. But with all honesty, if there's ever another website that starts doing these kind of shows I'll definitely give it a try.

I think we all would at least try out the competition to see how it is.

Competition is always good for the consumer, and arguably, for the companies, as well, as it makes them innovate more.

I remember that outside of the Russian copycat sites that used stolen code there was a US-based site a long time ago that shot similar content to then-Virtuagirl, but it's now defunct and you can't even check what it was about anymore, outside of a few poor gifs.

@RAGORN Merci. 😀

@TheEmu & @ComteDracula I think most of us don't mind an SEC given as part of a package like for the advent calendar or August pre-order lately. There's a simple way of getting it: you choose if the SEC is worth a 24/30 card pre-order.
I got 2 SECs this way, whenever I wanted it I would go for the pre-order; if not, then I pass.

Totem introduced SECs

Some people ***** about the rules for obtaining them.

Totem changed the rules to go some way to meeting the original objections.

Some people ***** about the new rules for obtaining them.

They could have simply stuck with the original rules.

I am pretty sure that no matter what they do, short of selling them as normal cards for the normal price, will attract complaints.

@TheEmu you make it sound like Totem made the first SECs "available" to win in order to satisfy ***** customers. I don't remember anyone asking for these cards to be obtainable only through gambling.
Don't you think Totem might have simply wanted to make more profit out of the these first SECs, otherwise useless?
Plus, look at the ratio now, of all SEC cards, how many could you only get through gambling? That shows Totem favours this way.

Joker cards were also introduced, why not allow members to get Joker cards (which doesn't involve gambling) to exchange for SECs, since these will "never" be for sale?

Having another way of obtaining SECs doesn't mean the gambling has to go away. If people still want to go for that one, Totem can keep it.

@arise77
But you are talking from Long time members, and we all know, when you are doing a specific thing too long,
like using iStripper, it will get in most cases Boring over Time. Even if you still like/love the Product.
Maybe it is not the case on yourself, but i lost in my past track on many things which i was doing way too long.
And i was trying to find something new and satisfying on that specific thing, but i was not be able to do that.
And who knows wher i'm standing lets say in 3 or 5 Years for myself and on iStripper.
I can't really tell you today. But i know one for Sure, I Love Girls, and iStripper is giving me an easy and
very convenient way to Access different Type of Girls. Even if i can see them only on my Screen.
That is indeed a good/important Point, but we (including myself) didn't talk to anyone from the Team in personal
about those internal things, because we are not be able to get involved in to internal Discussions.
And further about Loyalty.
I'm not naive, I know a business doesn't care much about my "loyalty", and is just looking for a way to keep the big wallets coming and attract new customers, and try to make everyone spend as much as possible. Business is business.
That is not a 100% true. As i told earlier in this Topic from that Company which i was working for almost 7 Years.
Of course i will not telling any Names or Persons, but my Boss would liked to give his Customers something back.
And not only as a short period Solution, No as an Long Term Solution for all New and Long Term Customers.
At the end, he had to pay more as he could imagine to have Money for that.
It was ruining almost his Company and many many Customers were pissed off, understandable of course.
And it ended with the Situation where many Customers came in the Store and smashing their
***** and disappointment on me.
Only on myself, i was their match ball for their ***** and offending speaking.
They were Insulting against me on and on, but my Boss was sitting in his Office as like happened nothing.
Until to an specific Point, where he had to call the Police, because of an very mad and nasty Ranting Customer.
Gladly there were no Weapons in play, but he threatened me physically.

And until today i ***** my Boss for that, what he was offering his Customers,
and not thinking about the consequences. Even there was a good Intention in the Background.
Until today i can't get this Situation out of my Head any more.
And i'm thankful to that Customer that he had no Knife or Gun in this Situation with it.
Otherwise he shall ***** in Hell forever.
And this is one of the Reasons why i'm sitting at a Psychologist, because of that ***** in my past.

When one is getting Nasty against someone else, who is not fault for his Situation then you can still handle that.
But not 10 or 15 Customers per Day, against one Employee, and yes it is a true Story.
And we are talking from an Timeline of almost 3 Months.
And at the End, you can't satisfy everyone like i was saying before. It is not possible, because we are all different.
You know > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHbzSif78qQ

So with that saying, we don't know who the Teammembers are, or what they are planning,
but i had this Year PM Contact to one specific Teammember.
I will not give any further Details to this Contact/Conversation of course.
But from my Perception with this Conversation i will not believe that Totem isn't aware about our Loyalty.
No way, because this Conversation was just too good, even it was short.

Thanks again to my Conversation Partner at this Point 😊 just in case you are reading here in this Topic.
I agree we should relax about this, be patient & enjoy the girls.That's right, i'm here for the Girls on iStripper, i will further put my Money in it,
and hoping further for an native Linux Client.

But i really really don't care about the SEC Cards, because i have 1918 other Shows to
enjoy over and over every Day. So please to all have a great Time on iStripper 💚 👍

@Stanton
I think it was kind of a letdown for long time members, because we were used to a way of getting cards for a certain price, but with the introduction of cards only obtainable through gambling, it kind of felt like Totem was tricking us suddenly. So yes, after some time, you take things for granted and you don't expect this from a company you're used to.

I don't know anyone from Totem personally, so you're right we don't know what's happening behind the scenes.

I used to work in customer service so I know exactly waht you mean. I know it's hard to be shouted at even threatened for other people's mistakes. I'm sorry to hear about what you experienced, but as you said, we also learn a lot from these situations.
Talking about customer service, I think @Manue is doing a great job, and she's probably on her own most of the time. Everytime I contacted her, she has helped me out and I'm very ...