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American Models in Europe

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orclover
已加入 在 Jun 2012

744 发布
November 3, 2019 (edited)
Kendra Sunderland, Mia Melano, Gabbie Carter are all American starlets. In fact the best available. They have all visited europen in the last year. Gabbie and Mia in the last few months. I believe Totem needs to be more aggressive at filling their catalog with a few of the more popular American girls. I understand the pricing differences for American models but with the influx of money from games of chance and such I think it would be fair to diversify in such a way. Nearly every girl who has shot with vixen in europe has also worked with totem, all except the American girls, so this shouldn't be a communication problem. Maybe a cross promotion?

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Romla
已加入 在 Jul 2016

165 发布
November 4, 2019
Kendra Sunderland, Mia Melano, Gabbie Carter - I say: bring them here ASAP. 😍👍
uhhh6758
已加入 在 May 2016

17 发布
May 7, 2020
I wish this thread got way more comments, I want all of these sexy ladies on iStripper! =)
orclover
已加入 在 Jun 2012

744 发布
May 7, 2020 (edited)
Little Caprice, Sybil, Cherry Kiss, Alyssa Reese have all become major starlets in europe and do not have any 4k shows. I get it is hard to catch the American girls during their weekend in Europe but I can't fathom how totem can skip on the stars of europe. Rex's main excuses have been that the girls won't shoot for totem unless they are new or old but we all know money talks. No girl is turning down a shoot if the price is right. I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the ***** practices of games of chance, SE cards, achievements, even VR while totem fails to get the best active talents in europe, it is like they are using the old recruiting practices while raking in money from these other sources. It has gotten to the point where I don't necessarily look forward to the girls anymore...even girls like Jia Lissa are putting on tired and scripted shows...so much so that the older cards from a few years ago seem light years ahead.

One way to tell that the girls are boring and the community isn't digging it is to look through the forum and see how few of the threads are about the girls. Nearly every comment is about gambling or achievements when we should be talking about awesome, talented girls dancing. I mean we had two Belka xxx cards released and they were as uninspiring as one could imagine...like I literally couldn't imagine them being boring, having seen her webcam and somehow they were...and nearly every card falls in the same boat...so it much a combination of misdirection, inexperience, and lack of performance talent.


The great thing about hope is they can make me wrong in a month by putting forth a great group of shows...this has been a rough start to 2020.
pickle1
主持人
已加入 在 Mar 2019

1353 发布
May 7, 2020
7 hours ago (edited)
Little Caprice, Sybil, Cherry Kiss, Alyssa Reese have all become major starlets in

@orclover - I was reading my way through your post when my eyes spotted two words - Belka and webcam!

Please tell me more.....
orclover
已加入 在 Jun 2012

744 发布
May 7, 2020
7 hours ago (edited)
Little Caprice, Sybil, Cherry Kiss, Alyssa Reese have all become major starlets in
@orclover - I was reading my way through your post when my eyes spotted two words - Belka and webcam!

Please tell me more.....

She goes by Faneti Reni.
pickle1
主持人
已加入 在 Mar 2019

1353 发布
May 7, 2020
7 hours ago (edited)Little Caprice, Sybil, Cherry Kiss, Alyssa Reese have all become major starlets in@orclover - I was reading my way through your post when my eyes spotted two words - Belka and webcam!Please tell me more.....She goes by Faneti Reni.

Thanks @orclover - found it - including a nearly 2 hour cam video - wowser 😊😆
Alkasyn
已加入 在 Apr 2008

727 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
I agree with both sentiments expressed here.

Famous girls are a must have to keep the marketing going.

In all honest, apart from Eva Elfie and Jia Lissa, maybe Liya Silver, when was it the last time we saw a true pornstar in the studios?

Oh, and Skye Blue, too, she's great.

I agree more effort should be put into getting famous girls into the studio. I don't believe famous pornstars ask for a magnitude more money than the no-name Ukrainians and Russians that we nowadays get.
HansSachs
已加入 在 Mar 2016

989 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
I agree more effort should be put into getting famous girls into the studio.
I tend to not agree. Team should search for beautiful and skilled models. I personally don't care at all if they are famous in the porn star system or not, it's quite the same for me.

I don't believe famous pornstars ask for a magnitude more money than the no-name Ukrainians and Russians that we nowadays get.
I believe they precisely do, instead.
zzmaskers
已加入 在 Mar 2011

608 发布
May 8, 2020
Famous girls are a must have to keep the marketing going.
With this I agree and that's what Totem/iStripper is doing with Take 3's for Melena Maria Rya and Carolina Abril.
New customers (and maybe also longer time customers) come for the names, they know.
the no-name Ukrainians and Russians that we nowadays get.
Are the famous pornstars better? If it is, than it's in the f-cards since they have more experience with being filmed in masturbation shows, g/g and b/g. They are not better dancers: the best dancers in the last month's were for me Isabelle, Jessika, Angelika Grays, Elis (Czech), Ellie Leen (in the cards, where she's really dancing), Anastasia Brokelyn (a beginning pornstar) and Tina. My impression is that Totem selects the last year more on dance and pole dance skills. That's more important then their nationality.
I don't believe famous pornstars ask for a magnitude more money than the no-name Ukrainians and Russians that we nowadays get.
Pornstars know that Totem needs them, they have full agenda's and are in a stronger negotiation position. They can and will ask more, but no idea about how much more. Extra costs of famous names are evened out with new unknow models like Liana, Kristi, Eva Ginger. Totem/iStripper has a perfect nose for new (relatively unknown) talents like Jenny Wild and Sherice in the beginning of their career.

TheEmu
已加入 在 Jul 2012

3309 发布
May 8, 2020
New customers (and maybe also longer time customers) come for the names, they know.

I have no idea, nor I suspect do you, what percentage of new or old customers "come for the names they know". We can only guess. What I do know that it is not true in my case.
HansSachs
已加入 在 Mar 2016

989 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
I have no idea, nor I suspect do you, what percentage of new or old customers "come for the names they know". We can only guess. What I do know that it is not true in my case.
Same here.
pickle1
主持人
已加入 在 Mar 2019

1353 发布
May 8, 2020
Popping in my two-pennorth (old English expression), if there is a good reason for trying to get some American models it is to inject some fresh DNA into the Totem model gene pool.

Reading all the posts above, I looked back at the cards thst have been released recently (and those in the pipeline as per the Workshop) and I am struck by the similarity of the girls - the proportion who have similar slim body shapes with long dark (brunette or black) hair. The only real stand out is Eva Elfie - and her upcoming show will be the 14th! I am getting bored with the girls we are seeing.

What has happened to the blondes? Are they dying out in Eastern Europe? I can't post pictures here from non-iStripper but go and look at models like Kennedy Leigh from America - blonde (often short cut) hair, fabulous boobs and can give one heck of a BJ. So, if girls like Kennedy (and Skye Blue with the blonde cut) are only available from America, we need them.

IMHO

😄
pantalone
已加入 在 Nov 2010

224 发布
May 8, 2020
Are the famous pornstars better? If it is, than it's in the f-cards since they have more experience with being filmed in masturbation shows, g/g and b/g. They are not better dancers: the best dancers in the last month's were for me Isabelle, Jessika, Angelika Grays, Elis (Czech), Ellie Leen (in the cards, where she's really dancing), Anastasia Brokelyn (a beginning pornstar) and Tina. My impression is that Totem selects the last year more on dance and pole dance skills. That's more important then their nationality.

I'm not convinced that pornstars are likely to be better on iStripper than unknowns, or that they will necessarily be more expensive.

Pornstars certainly seem to be more reliably good than unkowns at xxx, but only a few of them will have developed dance skills. There are many internet unknowns working the clubs and cams in Eastern Europe and they are equally likely to have the skills and beauty to put on a good show here. Of course, most unknowns won't want to strip on the net, but a proportion will and that number depends on economics and their alternative sources of income.

I think Totem finds it difficult to determine in advance who will do a good job. We know they ask for vids from unknowns and we know they've passed on some pornstars doing European tours - because surely the girls' agents will have contacted them. Maybe they were asking for too much money. But equally, we don't know how difficult it is to recruit unknowns, or how selective Totem is.

From the performers' point of view, maybe they sometimes need the money, but also they need the exposure, whether they are unknown or established pornstars. Whether they supplement their modelling with clubs, cams or escorting, a good iStripper performance must be useful.

So I suspect that Totem offers a pretty fixed fee for Take-1s and adjusts their profile in the market so that they get a regular flow of decent applicants (in their view). They'll modify their approach, if the proportion of pornstars/unknowns changes, for example if they fail to book any pornstars for a few months. They'll do the same if quality and hence sales drop off. Maybe they'll stretch a bit for a performer at the top of her career like Jia Lissa, but not enough to attract the likes of Kendra Sutherland.

So show quality will vary over time, depending on many things. Totem will almost certainly ignore the rumblings of the tiny minority of customers who participate in the Forum.
Dfner
已加入 在 Feb 2018

643 发布
May 8, 2020
Personally, I'm not sure about the benefits of hiring most famous pornstars here.

The fact that they are "the most famous porn stars" typically means that they already enjoy a LOT of exposure in your "standard" porn sites. And I would think that the reason they have gained that popularity is that they have done lots of scenes and action (in those standard porn sites) that they wouldn't be doing here. "The most famous porn stars" haven't become most famous for their dancing skills or solo performances, and their fan base probably look for different things.

Attaching a very famous name with the brand iStripper could be beneficial here, but only when it shows as web search hits for iStripper due to that connection (= people learn about this place through that connection).

Maybe the most famous adult stars that have gained their popularity not from straight porn, could be the best representatives of this product to potential clientele(?)

Alkasyn
已加入 在 Apr 2008

727 发布
May 8, 2020
Are the famous pornstars better? If it is, than it's in the f-cards since they have more experience with being filmed in masturbation shows, g/g and b/g. They are not better dancers: the best dancers in the last month's were for me Isabelle, Jessika, Angelika Grays, Elis (Czech), Ellie Leen (in the cards, where she's really dancing), Anastasia Brokelyn (a beginning pornstar) and Tina. My impression is that Totem selects the last year more on dance and pole dance skills. That's more important then their nationality.
I'm not convinced that pornstars are likely to be better on iStripper than unknowns, or that they will necessarily be more expensive.

Pornstars certainly seem to be more reliably good than unkowns at xxx, but only a few of them will have developed dance skills. There are many internet unknowns working the clubs and cams in Eastern Europe and they are equally likely to have the skills and beauty to put on a good show here. Of course, most unknowns won't want to strip on the net, but a proportion will and that number depends on economics and their alternative sources of income.

I think Totem finds it difficult to determine in advance who will do a good job. We know they ask for vids from unknowns and we know they've passed on some pornstars doing European tours - because surely the girls' agents will have contacted them. Maybe they were asking for too much money. But equally, we don't know how difficult it is to recruit unknowns, or how selective Totem is.

From the performers' point of view, maybe they sometimes need the money, but also they need the exposure, whether they are unknown or established pornstars. Whether they supplement their modelling with clubs, cams or escorting, a good iStripper performance must be useful.

So I suspect that Totem offers a pretty fixed fee for Take-1s and adjusts their profile in the market so that they get a regular flow of decent applicants (in their view). They'll modify their approach, if the proportion of pornstars/unknowns changes, for example if they fail to book any pornstars for a few months. They'll do the same if quality and hence sales drop off. Maybe they'll stretch a bit for a performer at the top of her career like Jia Lissa, but not enough to attract the likes of Kendra Sutherland.

So show quality will vary over time, depending on many things. Totem will almost certainly ignore the rumblings of the tiny minority of customers who participate in the Forum.

Fair analysis. I do think, though, that our rumblings do not go completely unheard and can be taken as some kind of an auxiliary tool when creating their policies, though.
Z22
已加入 在 Aug 2017

1166 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
The more famous the porn star the more she can charge. Totem obviously want to get the girls for the least amount they can, it's just good business practice. Would you be willing to pay more for famous stars?
HansSachs
已加入 在 Mar 2016

989 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
Would you be willing to pay more for famous stars?
I would not support a general price increase. They could, though, charge more for some (few) cards - as they are already doing, by the way.
Totem could, anyway, hire just a couple of famous pornstars every year; their - quite big - wages could be compensated by the smaller salaries of so called "unknowns", so that a price increase - which is not desirable neither would be appreciated - would not be necessary.
Dfner
已加入 在 Feb 2018

643 发布
May 8, 2020
I google searched "most famous porn stars" and first link (year 2020) was to this:

https://www.redbled.com/most-popular-pornstars/

... where they say "What data did we use? To determine pornstar popularity, we looked at Google Trends and PornHub statistics of the most viewed pornstars."

Their top20 list includes 6 stars that we already have at iStripper (unless I missed someone). Out of the remaining 14 I would welcome maybe 2 or 3. I would definitely NOT pay anything extra for these 20, I'd pay less if I could for most of them. These "porn stars" do different things. Their popularity is for something completely different to what they would be doing here.

I hope iStripper doesn't spend one cent extra for these "top stars", unless they can be assured that they bring marketing value that justifies that extra spending.

Alkasyn
已加入 在 Apr 2008

727 发布
May 8, 2020
The more famous the porn star the more she can charge. Totem obviously want to get the girls for the least amount they can, it's just good business practice. Would you be willing to pay more for famous stars?

I'd be happy to pay a couple more credits for known stars that I like, like Bunny Colby or Jade Baker, for example. We already have most of the European stars I know of.
zzmaskers
已加入 在 Mar 2011

608 发布
May 8, 2020
What has happened to the blondes? Are they dying out in Eastern Europe?
Many blond girls from Latvia ( I see them on Metart and Nubiles), Latvia a country of the Schengenzone. Easier to fly into Paris, when the lockdown becomes less tight. Easier than any USA pornstar model. One should also think practical.
zzmaskers
已加入 在 Mar 2011

608 发布
May 8, 2020
I saw the list of @Dfner: I wouldn't buy one card of those models.
Dfner
已加入 在 Feb 2018

643 发布
May 8, 2020
What has happened to the blondes? Are they dying out in Eastern Europe?

I don't think they are dying out :) Take a look at this map.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/7zp4jc/percentage_of_light_hair_in_europe_758x746/

For blondes they should cast their nets in Finland or central Sweden :) I know of only one porn performer from my country and even she might be fake blonde: https://www.indexxx.com/m/miss-melissa
Dfner
已加入 在 Feb 2018

643 发布
May 8, 2020
I saw the list of @Dfner: I wouldn't buy one card of those models.

My sentiments pretty accurately: my possible 2-3 of that list would be Lena Paul, Abella Danger and Alexis Texas. But Totem shouldn't pay any extra to get them to iStripper.
EverthangForever
已加入 在 Oct 2009

2495 发布
May 8, 2020
Would you be willing to pay more for famous stars?
It depends on what you mean by 'famous'.. Famous elsewhere or locally take2 s

if having totem exposure already has helped a certain model become 'famous' then
out of reach financially. We shouldn't have to wait 2 years to see that model again
if we can get her back 'while she is still hot'..so to speak. Maybe by, crowd funding for
a target goal ( ie: credits pre-spent/ prefrozen & commited unless the endeavour fails) or some such.
orclover
已加入 在 Jun 2012

744 发布
May 8, 2020

The more famous the porn star the more she can charge. Totem obviously want to get the girls for the least amount they can, it's just good business practice. Would you be willing to pay more for famous stars?
I'd be happy to pay a couple more credits for known stars that I like, like Bunny Colby or Jade Baker, for example. We already have most of the European stars I know of.

Judging by the ratings of the new and inexperienced girls I would say totem should take notice and invest first in europe to bring in well-balanced performers...girls in their prime...even if they are more expensive. They need to reinvest these easy earnings from the gambling and SE back into the product for sustainability. We've just haven't seen the reinvestment.
HansSachs
已加入 在 Mar 2016

989 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
They need to reinvest these easy earnings from the gambling and SE back into the product
During 2019, that has be done indeed (VR shows, 4K cam, new codec and better video quality - and there have been better beauties and better performances also). In first couple of months of 2020, though, new models did tend to be slightly worse, anyway it maybe would have been just a short moment (I remember it has been said, many times, that winter and Xmas times are not so good for shootings) and, so, probably things were about to change again - but then COVID-19 did arrive...
orclover
已加入 在 Jun 2012

744 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
They need to reinvest these easy earnings from the gambling and SE back into the productDuring 2019, that has be done indeed (VR shows, 4K cam, new codec and better video quality - and there have been better beauties and better performances also). In first couple of months of 2020, though, models have been got slightly worse, but maybe it would have been just a moment (I remember it has been said, many times, that winter and Xmas times are not so good for shootings) and probably things were about to change again - but then COVID-19 arrived...

The issue with the "new content" is it requires additional expense so you can't call that reinvestment. Charging such an exhorbinant price for VR is like charging for pictures...10 minutes for the price of multiple cards, 4k is another slap in the face because it requires the triple diamond consumer to sacrifice 40-50 cards worth of money to get it. And they refuse to optimize the software to 64 bit so it can actually handle the extra memory. What they have learned from the gambling is they can get away with a lot more than they initially could back in 2015...cards are still broken, all new content requries extra cost, and the new shows...not necessarily girls, are poorly scripted, I mean Jia Lissa, Belka, and the new group of girls all look like they are being micromanaged and not actually allowed to perform. I actually believe the girls are being managed to not put on the best show but to sell more cards later in the series...being told to hold back..to only do this move this many times,...and so on. That has to be very distracting for a dancer, who isn't actually a professional dancer.

I am wrong a lot so it might just be a little dip and a good week can turn me immediately into a fanboy because I have the maturity of a 12 year old. The gambling perturbs me...always has because it doesn't serve my ilk and I can only imagine getting free easy money is going to encourage them to continue to pursue free and easy money while letting the product fall apart at the seams.
HansSachs
已加入 在 Mar 2016

989 发布
May 8, 2020 (edited)
@orclover I have to say that - while not to all - I agree with some of your statings. We could discuss together about such important quality matters; but it looks unluckily quite unuseful, since only thing the average user looks to be interested in, now, is getting the 4:20 achievement...

Anyway, I recently started a thread on Ideas & Suggestion our discussion's matters could have some relevance to; feel free to add your considerations there, if you like to.
https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/44668/1?post=661671
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zzmaskers
已加入 在 Mar 2011

608 发布
May 8, 2020
In first couple of months of 2020, though, new models did tend to be slightly worse, anyway it maybe would have been just a short moment (I remember it has been said, many times, that winter and Xmas times are not so good for shootings)
I don't agree. The month's April, May and June 2019 were the worst of all for me. There were weeks I didn't buy any card, which hadden't happened since December 2013. The general level has gone upward. Less models who don't go further than a shake to the left and a shake to the right and look sweetly/mysterious at the camera(man). It all depends of what kind of show you like: the top for me so far is Elis (for others Belka, who had all the skills and is the highest rated model ever and when were her shows...). And therefore I again ask for a TAKE 2 of ELIS!

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