It seems it is up to me to bring some semblance of sanity back to these thread. Let me introduce myself HottiDee , as a more elderly, mature person, members here rely on my helpfull nature and ask my advice. So feel free to come to me if I can be of any assistance or advice. Ok,Ok I admit this giving of helpful advice sometimes works both ways. For an example, just the other day,,I was giving advice to our very own lovely and artistically talented CyberVixen. She in turn advised me on exactly where to place an item of garden furniture. She even went on to be so helpful as to offer to shove it there if need be,,, now is this mutual helpfulness or what?