aha I knew you would claim :)
no, we won't reduce but we'll add more variety and a bit of additional teasing on table :)

Hello all,I've refrained myself from intervening till now cause I wanted to read the most of you possible :)

Thank you @Celine for listening to everyone and considering all points of view!

no, we won't reduce [xxx content] but we'll add more variety and a bit of additional teasing on table :)

Good news! I think variety is the key. You can't please everyone all the time, but variety can give everyone access to the options that they would like to see.

aha I knew you would claim :) no, we won't reduce but we'll add more variety and a bit of additional teasing on table :)

Ok that's still good to hear! The balance you had with Emiri Momota's XXX shows was perfect. I think that's the perfect point of reference :)

well noted :)

Either way it really doesn't matter all I ask for is a little more standing and pole content. However you can figure that out 4-5 clips totaling under 10 minutes in these shows is not enough. At least try to condense the xxx a little bit doesn't need to be 18-20 minutes of every show. Sequential table clips leading up to the xxx is also a good idea but not at the expense of something else getting cut.

well noted :)

The reality of the product is totem does a GREAT job of bringing a diversity of girls, South American girls, American girls, Russian, Ukrainian, Spanish, French, German, Czech. Japanese...dancers, models, twerkers, pornstars, webcammers, skinny, thicc, strippers, shy starlets, a wide variety of outfits, cosplay, toys, and positions...diversity means they are going to miss the mark for each girl at some point and time for each customer, but hit the mark as well. I was so disappointed that Agatha Vega had a casual outfit, which is my favorite, but asked her to be more "shy and casual" in her dance as well and it is my least favorite card. But I bet it is the favorite card for some people because she doesn't twerk. XXX allow for more diversity in a card as most girls can't fill 240 minutes of content using merely a pole and table.

I have one more idea for this then I will shut it and you do whatever you decide. Make every show xxx but structure them the way you do with non xxx shows.

I've learned there's little point in having the model naked on the taskbar doing nothing. That's probably the main reason non xxx shows don't do as well.

Keep the sequential format of starting in full outfit, slowly strip everything and end with 2 clips between 3-5 minutes long. The model can talk, play with herself here and there even start the xxx in those earlier clips (like the fumbling in her underwear and dildo sucking that you guys seem to like so much).

It streamlines the show better it leaves more room for other facets of the show and you don't lose any of the actual xxx since the model will mostly be naked and ready to go. In other words she's not starting the process all over again when the xxx clips start.

That would allow at least a few extra minutes for standing and pole shows while still keeping 12-16 minutes average on the taskbar for every show. Arguably it would allow more actual xxx action this way as well.

Finally just wanted to thank everyone who participated in this thread whether you were with me or against and thanks to @Celine and the team for even acknowledging the conversation at all.

@jclown781

Good suggestions. Wanted to add a couple of points:

You wrote:

Make every show xxx but structure them the way you do with non xxx shows.

Not every show can be xxx because many performers don't want to do it. I guess you meant that as long as the girl is willing to go "that far", those clips should be included in her every show?

You wrote:

Keep the sequential format of starting in full outfit, slowly strip everything and end with 2 clips between 3-5 minutes long.

Nothing against this as long as the shows won't become too formulaic. I don't want the structure or "series of events" in the show to become too predictable. @Celine put it well: "no, we won't reduce xxx content but we'll add more variety and a bit of additional teasing on table".

And repeating some other posters earlier... The performers are very different in what they want to do / are capable of doing (dance/pole skills wise) / feel natural and comfortable in doing. Producing the shows that best suit performers individually, and where their personalities and skills are best taken into consideration, will imho give best results overall. I think it's best to design and construct the show based on all that instead of sticking into a set formula. Your suggested structure is of course good and welcome where it naturally fits.

@Dfner yes that is exactly what I meant of course it's as far as the girl is willing to go. Those that want to just pose and not masturbate is more than fine with me. In fact I personally prefer those kind of shows but I'm fighting a losing battle here so I just started with what everyone wants to hear so they would hang around long enough to read the rest of my idea :)

As far as you worrying about the shows becoming too formulaic by taking my suggestions..I respectfully say that they are too formulaic already. Whats more "series of events" or predictable than just about every xxx show in the last couple of years?

Also a great point that utilizing their individual talents and capabilities will make for much better shows. As long as it also applies to the girls who are described as professional dancers, strippers and or pole dancers getting a real opportunity to showcase their talents instead of just being handed a dildo.

Btw thanks for that first point you made I really didn't formulate making every show xxx the way I wanted to. However almost every show is already xxx and I figured suggesting that the girl do "something" on the taskbar could be open to interpretation. Not just simply masturbating.

I think part of the reason I barely buy anything is exactly the sameness of the shows + the fact I'm not all that excited about the new girls.

If I do buy I noticed I drift toward non-XXX shows and models, as there's simply more bang for my buck there (I don't want to watch the taskbar clips, so after deleting them sometimes the card is down to 10 minutes - and we go back to the beginning of my circle where I simply don't buy).

Thank you @Alkasyn thank you!! That's been my point all along. (I don't know how you guys ***** other previous comments down to yours) but that line where he says after deleting them (taskbar clips) you're left with about a 10 minute show. That's been my frustration all along. Again I don't need taskbar clips eliminated I do enjoy taskbar clips as well but the shows should be more about the other facets getting more time as well.
Sorry I did say I would shut up after the last time but his last point was just perfectly spot on I had to thank you again.

If you press the quote button on the right hand side of someone else's message, you'll be able to quote their message in your post ;)

Happy to see we're on the same page - but it seems to me that the majority of customers isn't.

If I compare cards from long ago, there was much more non-nude and non-XXX. And I enjoyed them more, could actually have them running in the background as I wored - can't have that with straight up hardcore porn (so that's why I'd delete or at least untick taskbar clips). But the company drifted in the direction of XXX - maybe the failed iDancer project also influenced that, who knows. I can only speak for myself - there's not a lot that makes me excited in the product anymore, but since I'm not a great spender (and my tier of customers probably's the same - we don't provide much income to the company anymore), it goes unnoticed.

If you press the quote button on the right hand side of someone else's message, you'll be able to quote their message in your post ;)Happy to see we're on the same page - but it seems to me that the majority of customers isn't.If I compare cards from long ago, there was much more non-nude and non-XXX. And I enjoyed them more, could actually have them running in the background as I wored - can't have that with straight up hardcore porn (so that's why I'd delete or at least untick taskbar clips). But the company drifted in the direction of XXX - maybe the failed iDancer project also influenced that, who knows. I can only speak for myself - there's not a lot that makes me excited in the product anymore, but since I'm not a great spender (and my tier of customers probably's the same - we don't provide much income to the company anymore), it goes unnoticed.

This is a fair point. I find it hard to remember there are so many different types of customers. We are the exact opposite in our likes, I delete any card with too many non-nude. I don't want all xxx but I don't mind a few clips. I like the the current direction of having more xxx, although 80-100% of cards being so is too much. They have a lot more cosplay and costumes, which is ok, although I think it inhibits the most talented girls. But the reality we only spend $10 a month for the service at most, even if we have already spent thousands. They have to be focused on pumping out 10 cards a week so they can keep running NFT, SEC, EX...they will have customers spend more for Julia Graff SEC than I have spent in years. So my voice can't matter that much.

I definitely agree with you, there has been waaaayyyy too many XXX cards these last couple years. I know people have different preferences but how did a model sitting down masturbating for half a show, blocking the view of her pussy with a hand or toy become more popular than a beautiful nude woman dancing? I'm here to see beautiful naked women, not the back of a hand.

Porn stars or web cam girls masturbating is one of the most common "porn" things on the internet besides actual porn I guess. And then they cut out most of the animations, too? Somebody at Totem is hellbent on making this program as generic and trashy as possible.

I definitely agree with you, there has been waaaayyyy too many XXX cards these last couple years. I know people have different preferences but how did a model sitting down masturbating for half a show, blocking the view of her (privates) with a hand or toy become more popular than a beautiful nude woman dancing? I'm here to see beautiful naked women, not the back of a hand.

I do agree with you @Captain15

I think with the way the coming soon page has been looking last 2-3 weeks it's very likely non-xxx cards are just going to stop altogether. Once again I don't mind if these cards are more balanced to have plenty of sequential dancing/stripping/teasing etc leading up to the xxx finish.

I looked at the upcoming cards.
I found only five non-xxx ('e') cards.
There are thirty-six (36) cards total.
That is about 14% are e cards.

If you press the quote button on the right hand side of someone else's message, you'll be able to quote their message in your post ;)Happy to see we're on the same page - but it seems to me that the majority of customers isn't.If I compare cards from long ago, there was much more non-nude and non-XXX. And I enjoyed them more, could actually have them running in the background as I wored - can't have that with straight up hardcore porn (so that's why I'd delete or at least untick taskbar clips). But the company drifted in the direction of XXX - maybe the failed iDancer project also influenced that, who knows. I can only speak for myself - there's not a lot that makes me excited in the product anymore, but since I'm not a great spender (and my tier of customers probably's the same - we don't provide much income to the company anymore), it goes unnoticed.This is a fair point. I find it hard to remember there are so many different types of customers. We are the exact opposite in our likes, I delete any card with too many non-nude. I don't want all xxx but I don't mind a few clips. I like the the current direction of having more xxx, although 80-100% of cards being so is too much. They have a lot more cosplay and costumes, which is ok, although I think it inhibits the most talented girls. But the reality we only spend $10 a month for the service at most, even if we have already spent thousands. They have to be focused on pumping out 10 cards a week so they can keep running NFT, SEC, EX...they will have customers spend more for Julia Graff SEC than I have spent in years. So my voice can't matter that much.

Exactly the bolded bit above. What we do doesn't matter much, IMO. Not anymore.

And yes, in the past two types of customers (you vs me) could coexist - but not in this new environment, I'm afraid.

The fact theres no competition in this market makes me either suck it up or leave - no other option. EDIT: One more thin I forgot about - some of the costumes in the cosplay shows are simply a waste of space - not becuase they're bad quality, buit because the model immediately drops them and starts maturbating, so the costume's not even used much - e.g Melody Marks maid show,

I think with the way the coming soon page has been looking last 2-3 weeks it's very likely non-xxx cards are just going to stop altogether. Once again I don't mind if these cards are more balanced to have plenty of sequential dancing/stripping/teasing etc leading up to the xxx finish.

I don't think that's going to happen.

Some girls (Lana, Rocky Di, for example) simply don't want to do XXX - and we will continue getting them (albeit rarely - most of the non-XXX models that come to mind got some less favourable reviews and weren't invited for a second take - Lana is an exception), so the non-XXX category will have some models, just a very small number.

I am for going back to 50/50 between XXX and non-XXX cards, I am buying so many XXX cards only because there are no non-XXX alternatives, but I still like the non-XXX cards more. What ultimately sells the card for me is the girl and the outfit, in this order. And some really cool outfits were just ***** in XXX cards, where the model was naked 80 percent of the time.

I became a member because I like to watch beautiful women move or dance while dressed before they undress and move or dance while naked. I like xxx but it is not what brought me here. I like lingerie but starting a show in lingerie is not where I would like to start. Sometimes the model has an amazing dress but the show is all table clips and all you can do is watch the photos and imagine what the show could have been like.

We still get a few non-XXX cards from the girls that don't do XXX, and from the girls that will we MIGHT get as many as one non-XXX card. Or, more and more we might not even get that- every single card from a new girl can be XXX. And I think that is a sad thing.

I would have been very happy if they had gone in the opposite direction- it's nice that particular girls have great singing voices or musical talent but it would be fabulous to be able to see that! Now, I am not talking crazy talk here, I'd be very pleased if they were singing and playing instruments while wearing little to nothing. But reducing the girls to another masturbation clip just like all the other masturbation clips seems rather one dimensional, does it not?

I so much prefer the diverse content of the non-XXX cards and the insight they give into the girl's personality. Even if the only personality displayed is "I'm good looking, I look great naked, and I love showing it off to people!" I am good with that too. 😄

@Alkasyn Aw man how could I miss something that obvious? Thanks for teaching me how to move the quotes :)

I am buying so many XXX cards only because there are no non-XXX alternatives, but I still like the non-XXX cards more. What ultimately sells the card for me is the girl and the outfit, in this order. And some really cool outfits were just ***** in XXX cards, where the model was naked 80 percent of the time.

Completely agree always ***** when people used the argument that xxx statistically sells better..of course it does if it's the only option! I have always believed that end all be all that it is the girls themselves are what sell this product. Through the years some of the MOST Beautiful women on the face of this PLANET let alone their respective countries have appeared on this app and as long as that concept remains trimming a small amount of xxx fat shouldn't cause a great deal of *****.

.they will have customers spend more for Julia Graff SEC than I have spent in years. So my voice can't matter that much.
Exactly the bolded bit above. What we do doesn't matter much, IMO. Not anymore.

They say that they are watching this thread so hopefully all of our opinions and ideas will be heard regardless and maybe something will come out of it after all. We will just have to wait and see.

I so much prefer the diverse content of the non-XXX cards and the insight they give into the girl's personality. Even if the only personality displayed is "I'm good looking, I look great naked, and I love showing it off to people!" I am good with that too. 😄

Very well said.