@pickle1 @dfner damn you are both are so damn blind and letting capatalism just roll all over you. It's greed btw.

@Dannylee - no, it is more that I just have a better sense of perspective and remember that this is just a fun glamour site where girls take their clothes off for me.

@Dfner

I get your reasoning, but we are not talking about comparable products or billing models here (iStripper vs. "high quality porn website" according to you).

Don't you study the benefits even though 2 products are not comparable? Say, that you want a bike but also want a PS4 but only have the money for one of the two. They are not comparable products, but still you have to study both choices and do the best decision in your mind.
That were actually my options. I had to decide whether to fork money for this website or iStripper. And based on all i said, I decided i will get better benefits with the porn site.

For the latter you pay typically $100 per year regardless of the content. You might get full year of releases that you don't particularly like, but you still have spent that $100.

You get access for the entire site, not just releases for the next 365 days. And all content is accessible and you decide which videos to keep and which not.

With iStripper you have pre-bought the credits, but you will spend it only for the releases that you choose to buy. That could take a long time, way more than a year, depending on what you want to see and what they will release.

It is actually a gamble, because you have to buy it first then decide if you like or not.

@pickle1

I struggle to understand what the problem is. Totem have offered what is effectively a 20% discount (if all the cards being bought are the same price) and yet all I can hear is bitching and accusations of greed.

The greed seems to be situated on the other side of this fence.

If 20% isn't enough for you then don't use it - wait in case something better comes along. Nobody is ***** you to spend money.

You know that the purpose of a promotion is to encourage more sales, right? If you offer 20% discount instead of 25%, you expect your revenue increases 5%. You get more from your customer.
I, as a customer, have two options, go for it or not. I decided to pass. And you call me greedy? The least I expected is to have the promotion with the same conditions as the last time. But hey, they want more from me, and I am the greedy...give me break!

@hblanco88 The point is that you don't know what iStripper is going to release during the next 12/24/36 months... or whatever time period, so your example of bike vs. PS4 is not very relevant, is it.

You can make all the evaluations and guesses you want, but you will never be able to confidently decide, whether spending the money on some "high quality porn website" is advantageous to you, compared to investing e.g. $200 for the credits of iStripper's future releases.

But of course, If you think that the back catalogue of that "high quality porn website" is already more valuable to you than any potential release catalogue of iStripper for the next $100 or $200 worth of credits or whatever the amount is, then of course you should choose the porn website. In every other case, you can't determine, which option is more beneficial to you.

And, realistically, if you are already here, there is a very good chance that iStripper is going to release quite a few cards in the next 12/24 or whatever months, that are interesting to you... so, even if you have already bought the $100 yearly membership on your favourite porn website, you might find it quite tempting to ALSO buy some cards from iStripper - and if you do so, counting your savings or losses will become a bit more complicated :D

@Dannylee

It's greed btw.

As is us wanting more than we are offered.

@Dfner
My evaluation is based on the current promotion only. As you said, I don't know what future holds. Like one time totem released scratchcard promotion charging 20 credits each then pulled back to 10 credits later. It might only this time cashback5 and next time will be cashback4 again. Idk.
All i saying is this promotion is marginally attractive (to me). And I'll pass. No going to spend money this time.

@TheEmu

I asked you once before (and you neglected to answer), "Is unrestrained greed only defensible when it's exercised professionally and not by amateurs?"

Bearing in mind that situations have changed since then and greed may no longer be the primary factor involved, perhaps it's time for Totem to openly solicit donations from those of us who think that we're not already paying enough for the product being offered.

@theemu Not offering us good discounts as customers and raising the price like we won't notice is being greedy by them, not us.

@theemu Not offering us good discounts as customers and raising the price like we won't notice is being greedy by them, not us.

👍 I can't begin to tell you how much I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly if you are paying for a porn site wait for Pornhub to have a lifetime membership. It was $160 back in 2016 but more like $300 now if they offer it.

You also get the benefit of being able to "add-on" other sites like Digital Playground, Brazzers, ect all for a single time fee which also goes on sale at times for like $30-$50 per site (some don't include downloads but since you have lifetime doesn't matter anyways really).

***** side at istripper is that you can pay what you really want. No requirement to buy everything or anything over a given time. This is just a different product but the main benefit is "owning" the product in the end.

and, of course, all customers would prefer a cashback-2 or even a cashback-1 version.

The 4-cards version has been working (well) for years. So, I have right to say that I liked it more than current one, I think.

Does the difference between an effective 25% (1 in 4) and a 20% (1 in 5) discount really make that much difference ?

For me (and others) it does, and I am personally going to spend less on it than I would have done with old version. So it all might be not so a big gain even for the company.

For some of us this offer is absolutely meaningless - we can get nothing out of it (particularly if you have Autobuy turned on). Do I care - why would I? I have potentially lost a whole 11 credits by not being able to participate. This is less than the discount I get on each card I buy.

I agree with @TheEmu - greed is in the eye of the beholder.

It's a simple offer

pay for 5, get refunded for the 5th one...
so then you are refunded the price of the last card, the 5th one.

These extra credits now can be used on a 6th card.
So you can get 6 for the same price of 5.
and that 6th card now counts as the 1st purchase in the next buy 5 get refunded for the 5th one.

if you Buy 15 cards, you've actually have received the credits for 3 of them back.
so you've added 15 cards and are out credits for 12

And if you continue to 25 cards, you will have been returned the credits for 5 cards
which you can then use to buy 5 more cards, and get yet again the credits for the 5th card back
and use them to buy 1 more card.

So you end up with 31 cards, for the same credits to buy 25 cards.

Pay for 25 cards, and Pick 6 more !

edit: I had a rounding up error in the math
and here is the extra bonus...
Pay for 125 cards, and Pick 36 more ! 31 not 36
161 cards for the same credits as 125 cards ! 156 not 161

edit:
One More Tier
Pay for 625 cards and Pick 186 More ! 156 not 186
811 cards for same credits as 625 !!! 781 not 811

And best of ALL
you got to choose each and every one of them.
Nothing random... Pure Choice !


with out the offer
Pay for 5 and your out the credits for 5

On the bike vs the ps4, a PS4 is far cheaper than a decent bike.

The bike will last longer without getting outdated though

I too preferred the old cashback-4 version....

+1

@iPseudo

I asked you once before (and you neglected to answer), "Is unrestrained greed only defensible when it's exercised professionally and not by amateurs?"

But i did not defend greed, let alone unrestrained greed, by anyone. I am pointing out that it is not only Totem being "greedy". This is only to be expected in a buyer/seller relationship.

@Dannylee @d00bies

Not offering us good discounts as customers and raising the price like we won't notice is being greedy by them, not us.

Since when has offering a 20% discount not been a good discount and when has offering a significant discount been greedy. In my opinion it is saying "20% discount is not enough, I want more" that is being greedy - it's like a kid ***** that a present isn't big enough. This week's offer, despite involving a smaller discount than previous similar ones, is still one of the best that have been made and it does not involve any gambling or receiving random cards that the buyer may not want.

@Grabandt

It's like in politics, if you don't open your mouth or vote and are satisfied with everything, then nothing will change!

In this case it is the take up of the offer that will signify how satisfied the customer base is and will act as "voting",

@Hanssachs

Does the difference between an effective 25% (1 in 4) and a 20% (1 in 5) discount really make that much difference ?

For me (and others) it does, and I am personally going to spend less on it than I would have done with old version. So it all might be not so a big gain even for the company.

There is a lot of difference between not spending as much and not spending anything, I was responding to someone who said that the small 5% difference in discount would result a big difference namely between spending a lot (200 to 300 dollars) and spending nothing.

When I said "and, of course, all customers would prefer a cashback-2 or even a cashback-1 version." I would have thought that it was obvious that I was being facetious by stating the ***** obvious (note cashback-1 would be all cards are free)

Since when has offering a 20% discount not been a good discount

Especially, considering that this 20% is ON TOP of your member level Discount..
it is In Addition too it...

And like many do, you buy 4 lower priced cards, and make the 5th card the More Expensive one...
So then your discount is slightly Higher..

Okay, for a member with a full or almost full collection this means little to nothing
as they can't really take advantage of it..

But for New members or members with many Available cards
25, 50, 125, 250, 500, 625 cards purchased Will give you a Significant savings..
Especially as you Level up and Increase your Member level Discounts too.

So many not satisfied members due to the cashback offer, the free fifth card instead of the free fourth card.
When they would have offered the free fifth card two years ago and now the free fourth card you would be very happy with such a good deal. And now ? Not happy.
Let's be honest, it is a good deal.
For example, I buy 500 credits
double diamond - I can buy 33 cards, with the cashback (free fifth card) I can buy 41 cards and I have left 5 credits.
Without the cashback I would spent 615 credits for 41 cards, so my profit is 120 credits when I buy 41 cards.
That's more than the reload bonus of 100 credits when you buy 500 credits. And nobody is ***** about that.

Since everybody got used to the cashback 4, this offer is slightly disappointing. Still it's a discount on almost every card from the store, so thanks @Totem for that! 👍

For those who are patient, you can also combine this offer with push preview discounts. Get a few discounted shows from the push preview tab, then get your 5th card refunded. Altogether, that should get you around a 25% discount for 5 cards.

This is a funny thread.

All the nice calculations above kinda miss the point.

The 4 card cashback recurring offer was well established and very popular. When they decide to relaunch it with a less attractive offer, people are going to be pissed. That should not surprise anyone and is just a bad piece of marketing.

Here's what they should have done:

New AMAZING Create-your-own-pack PROMO!

Create a pack of 5 cards that you can choose among ANY CARDS YOU WANT, and when you buy it you will get the MOST EXPENSIVE CARD(!!) TOTALLY FREE!!!!!!


There you go, same offer, much joy, no complaints.

You're welcome.

Voici une idée intéressante @Dunkelskog, mais ne serait-ce pas ce que nous avons ici?

Here's an interesting idea @Dunkelskog, but wouldn't that be what we have here?

Gee.

To me this promo is better than lucky box, scratch game, chase the goose, slot machine, redraw, free packs, etc. etc.

So it's not as good as the buy four get one cashback offer. That makes it the second best offer from Totem. I'll take second best over all those gambling games!

This is a funny thread.

All the nice calculations above kinda miss the point.

The 4 card cashback recurring offer was well established and very popular. When they decide to relaunch it with a less attractive offer, people are going to be pissed. That should not surprise anyone and is just a bad piece of marketing.

Here's what they should have done:

New AMAZING Create-your-own-pack PROMO!

Create a pack of 5 cards that you can choose among ANY CARDS YOU WANT, and when you buy it you will get the MOST EXPENSIVE CARD(!!) TOTALLY FREE!!!!!!


There you go, same offer, much joy, no complaints.

You're welcome.

Is your proposal different from what istripper offer now ? NO
Exactly the same if your 5th card is the most expensive 😊😊

Gee.

To me this promo is better than lucky box, scratch game, chase the goose, slot machine, redraw, free packs, etc. etc.

So it's not as good as the buy four get one cashback offer. That makes it the second best offer from Totem. I'll take second best over all those gambling games!

Totally agree with you

Et la première meilleure offre serait...

@batavus

Is your proposal different from what istripper offer now ? NO
Exactly the same if your 5th card is the most expensive

I think that was @Dunkelskog 's point. The two versions of the offer are equivalent but one would be (actually has been) criticised for not being generous enough but the other would likely be welcomed even though the difference between the two is purely superficial being just a difference in presentation.

Since when has offering a 20% discount not been a good discount and when has offering a significant discount been greedy.

Well said!

So it's not as good as the buy four get one cashback offer. That makes it the second best offer from Totem. I'll take second best over all those gambling games!

Agreed

They could just update the promo to the Buy 3 get the 4th refunded until Friday. Say its a "last chance" and "final time" that it will be offered.

No need to do anything though at the same time if they don't want to. I do think some people will hold out thinking that if they don't purchase the old promo might come back.

They could just update the promo to the Buy 3 get the 4th refunded until Friday. Say its a "last chance" and "final time" that it will be offered.

No need to do anything though at the same time if they don't want to. I do think some people will hold out thinking that if they don't purchase the old promo might come back.

Nice idea, but I don't see Totem changing the promo terms while the promo is active.

Good point @JayZ971 the rules can't be changed during the match.