I've been unlucky with this one so it has tainted my experience. At least with slot machine your collection can increase quite rapidly. This game feels like you don't win as often, and when you do win, it's small wins and older cards.

I think we should cancel to get 10 / 50 / 100 points and hedge the number of card drawing. For example, if the number of card drawing reaches more than 400, we can get belika.

Looks like the 20 credit win has been removed.

@nightimage - shame, hope you felt the benefit while it was there.

@pickle1 - I did, but then lost a bunch today because I didn't notice for a while that the 20 credit was removed. Still overall up, but it's really sketchy behavior to change the game without any kind of notification.

@pickle1 - I did, but then lost a bunch today because I didn't notice for a while that the 20 credit was removed. Still overall up, but it's really sketchy behavior to change the game without any kind of notification.

The whole game is sketchy...I live with a game that gives discounts on every roll because that is providing a service to at least some of the community and you are spending credits for cards, which is the point of the program. The scratch off is purely a loss for the customer base as a whole because it is credit based. The house(istripper) is going to take more credits than they give, and not give enough cards to make up for the difference. Don't play, don't play, don't play. The belka card isn't special, she has 3 other xxx cards and she isn't an outstanding xxx perfomer. I can't believe how many people ***** about a game and then participate in it time and time again.

The whole game is sketchy...I live with a game that gives discounts on every roll because that is providing a service to at least some of the community and you are spending credits for cards, which is the point of the program. The scratch off is purely a loss for the customer base as a whole because it is credit based. The house(istripper) is going to take more credits than they give, and not give enough cards to make up for the difference. Don't play, don't play, don't play. The belka card isn't special, she has 3 other xxx cards and she isn't an outstanding xxx perfomer. I can't believe how many people ***** about a game and then participate in it time and time again.

Don't know what you're on about. I bought almost all the cards through the games, reducing the total cost by around 30%, if not more. The SEC cards tend to cost around 100-200 credits through the games, which is reasonable for a special card (whether they're actually special or not is a different debate). I just dislike how the games are buggy and get modified without any notification.

Well i must be a very Lucky Man
After scratching 1250 Cards ill get the 100 Credit win
I also win 7 cards but 3 of them are Jokers......Nice
Btw i start this Event with 750 Credits now i have 1200 Credits witch means i have a Total Win of 450 Credits also.
What a nice Game, thank you very mutch....
Sry for my bad English its a long Time ago and English is not one of my vavorit Languages
Wich you all the best and good Luck
Cu Ratzfatz

I don't know about your math...1 card= 10 credit...1250 cards=12500 credits. There is no way you could have started wtih 750 and scratched 1250 cards. Maybe you meant you scratched 1250 times...5 scratches per card= 2500 credits which is still way over what you started with. I really hope you didn't spend 12500 credits, and now only have 1200 and you still think you won? These sort of posts though give the impression that the game is good to play...it is not if you value your credits.

I don't know about your math...1 card= 10 credit...1250 cards=12500 credits. There is no way you could have started wtih 750 and scratched 1250 cards. Maybe you meant you scratched 1250 times...5 scratches per card= 2500 credits which is still way over what you started with. I really hope you didn't spend 12500 credits, and now only have 1200 and you still think you won? These sort of posts though give the impression that the game is good to play...it is not if you value your credits.

@orclover Are you purposefully ignoring the credits that are won? I started with about 500, bought 10 scratch cards at a time, and was at 1200 at one point (ended at 700 because I didn't notice they removed the 20 credit wins today). I would usually be within 10 or 20 credits of breaking even after each set of 10, but overall went up.

Honestly, this "Game" is just a rip off. I scratched 550 cards and while yes, from my count, I did win something from the majority of them. However, It's based on PURE luck and In my honest opinion, the game is rigged to screw you. I did win two SECs but not the one I was going for: (Belka).

I started to count how many losses I had a little after 250 cards, here are the results:

10 credits missed: 22
50 credits missed: 22
100 credits missed: 15
1 card missed: 23
Special Event Cards mised: 24 (Times I missed those cards in a row, 3 in a row, 3 in a row, and 2 in row) (I missed more times than there are ACTUAL Special Event Cards).

Total Missed: 106
Percentage (106 / 300) : 35.33% Loss

Now, some people might see that as not that bad, but it would get worse if I continue. I saw some people mentioning just paying a higher price for the card and I 100% agree with that. I will update the numbers if I continue.

Edit: My math was wrong, I corrected it now as I took 106 and divided it from 300 (The number of cards I scratched off after I started to keep count of the losses).

Edit (5/4/20): I finally got Belka! OK, so here are the finally stats:

Scratched 878 cards in total, started to count the losses at 250.

Special Event Cards missed: 48
100 Credits missed: 43
50 Credits missed: 45
10 Credits missed: 53
1 Card missed: 49
Total Missed: 238

878 - 250 = 628
238 / 628 = 37.9% loss

Honestly, I did not like this game and I really hope that something like this does not happen again. Good Luck to everyone!

@Dragonslayer1666

[quote]Special Event Cards mised: 24[/quote

Ah, loosing cards are simply loosing cards. What appears in the center is meaningless. I suspect that this game is a lot like most scratch games. First they decide how many winners will be printed, then they print the losers to make it look more enticing.

@orclover Are you purposefully ignoring the credits that are won? I started with about 500, bought 10 scratch cards at a time, and was at 1200 at one point (ended at 700 because I didn't notice they removed the 20 credit wins today). I would usually be within 10 or 20 credits of breaking even after each set of 10, but overall went up.

So you are saying that totem created a game of chance that costs them credits AND gives free cards to customers? This is problem with gambling...this thread has a number of people who are disappointed that they lost but the focus will be on the one fanboy who comes on a says they won and it was GREAAATTTTT! For gawd sakes I hope totem doesn't make a game of chance that gives away money to gamblers...I can't believe you are encouraging people do to this nefarious and addictive game, even if you came out slightly on top. Totem will make easy money off of it, with out a doubt.

SECs are important for the susteniblity of Istripper program. This is a fact.
If I was Totem Team I would endly, so, leave things as they are, but would also add a couple of compromises:giving, on week of publication of each SEC, a clear path to get them - not a game of mere chance on which a member has not any certainty to ever be able to get it;giving a free Joker to each subscriber of Premium membership, at the start of each year of such membership;giving the possibility to buy Jokers to members who own 3000+ cards.

Don't you find it weird that totem survived for over a decade without SE cards, and suddenly with the advent of lootboxes in the gaming industry now relies on them, and the games of chance that are for some reason tied to SE cards. Why does a company need a gambling mechanism to survive? And yes SEs are just a reason to get people to gamble...otherwise they would just be given away at a higher price. My only hope, and it was small, when the games of chance appeared, was that totem would take the proceeds and improve the product and therefore the sustainability. That has not happened...cards still have quality issues, 4k requires an additional membership, the talent hasn't improved and they aren't spending their extra proceeds on recruitment..that is clear. Rex is very smart, as is Celine...they know their best customers don't only buy cards for the strippers, but for the collection, achievements, now gamblers can feel the rush of winning credits and cards. The sustainability myth is just that...they don't need to get easy credits while providing badges and sometimes nothing but 3 xs on a scratch card

On the previous scratch promotion, I lost 1200 credits. I was really angry as you can imagine. That’s over $100 down.

This time, I bought 400 cards (4000 credits worth), won the SEC and came out 200 credits up on my original balance. Of course, I didn’t buy the 400 cards all at once, I reinvested my winnings on each round, buying 5-10 cards each time.

What stood out most of all for me in both cases was that it’s boring. I really wish we could just pay extra for the SECs. They could still do gambling games for those who want to win, but as a Triple Diamond, I really just want to keep my 4500+ card collection complete.

This worries me a bit. EA has an algorithm that determines the outcome of an online game based on the players previous win or loss streak. This keeps the player participating in the games...they don't win too much nor lose too much. We know the UI is just that, and the actual data possibly isn't random...this isn't a mechinical machine. It would be smart for totem to keep track of each customer and have a % win and loss for all games that they play so they do not get discouraged nor win too much. Totem doesn't show odds and they change the algorithim mid game so anything is possible.

Seriously, removing an entire prize level mid-game!!!
With no warning or explantion at all.
Any actual gambling enterprise caught manipulating the odds like that would get their license revoked.
Ever heard of game testing?
Try tweaking BEFORE releasing a game?
I played Friday scratched 200 cards, won 2 SEC's and after my losses ran up to 150 credits I managed to recover back so my entire losses were 10 credits. That was fine by me, 2 SEC's for 10 credits is a very reasonable rate!
Then again I still have 3 more SEC's I still don't have so I figured i'd try again today...
By the time I realized the game had been modified by removing the 20 cred prize, I had bought another 120 scratch cards, won no cards and lost 300 additional credits!!!
Although the 20 credit prize point has misteriously disappeared from the main picture's explanations next to the pretty Belka, (something you don't notice if you played the game over the weekend since after all, you've already read the instructions for the game so you don't need to read them again) it is still mentionned clearly in the help screen and the TGIF post!
Making changes to such a game after it's release without warning is at the very least unethical (read cheating) as those who played and won feal confident, and when they play again, lose their proverbial shirt.
Hence the game testing.
Try it before you release it.
If you find it is too easy to win for your requirements, adjust it before releasing it to the general public.
Otherwise leave it be until the end of it's run!!!
I believe that losses since the removal of the 20 credits prize should be refunded while winnings should be kept as a lesson to Totem!

@Llander

Although the 20 credit prize point has misteriously disappeared from the main picture's explanations

I am pretty sure that the 20 credit prize was never mentioned in the main picture, nor in the initial announcement or any other post originating from Totem. The pop-up explanation originally mentioned 5, 10, 25 and 50 but this was changed and now has 10, 20, 50 and 100 credits instead - checked only a few minutes ago following a new start of iStripper). I have no idea if it is still possible to win 20 credits, nor am I going to test it - I did very well out of this promotion and have quit while I am ahead.

i was the first person to post that the 20 credit prize existed and in that post I pointed out that there was no mention of it anywhere.

https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/44653/1?post=661472

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When clicking on the (?) icon for this scratch card it says Here are the possible gains: 5 credits 10 credits 25 credits 50 credits 1 Free card (randomly picked up from the cards you don't own yet) On...

It´s quiet simple. If you get pissed by loosing, then don´t play games. It´s obvious that those games like scratchcards or slot mashines are made to make money. Just like in a casino, the bank never looses.

This worries me a bit. EA has an algorithm that determines the outcome of an online game based on the players previous win or loss streak. This keeps the player participating in the games...they don't win too much nor lose too much. We know the UI is just that, and the actual data possibly isn't random...this isn't a mechinical machine. It would be smart for totem to keep track of each customer and have a % win and loss for all games that they play so they do not get discouraged nor win too much. Totem doesn't show odds and they change the algorithim mid game so anything is possible.

You are right. I assumed that the algorithm had been tuned to intice people to keep playing, like in Candy Crush, which is one of the most successful incentivising games of chance around at the moment. That modifies the opportunities, based on the player's strategy, and you can game it. So it lets you win, just before it expects you to abandon hope. If you don't touch the game for a week, it increases your chances of success. If you play well and frequently, it makes the game harder. And, of course, it offers you a chance to spend money when it thinks you are getting pissed with trying.

I don't think the scratch game is anywhere near that sophisticated. It is sufficiently random, as to create extreme winners and losers. Presumably the net gain/loss of players in on a bell curve and people at either end of the curve will give up pretty quickly, stopping spending either because they see it as hopeless or because they've got what they want and don't need to play any more.

Totem would make more money out of an algorithm that engineered small losses and regular doses of hope. They need something less binary than SECs and jokers, maybe a points system, so the algorithm can give players regular small rewards for ***** credits.

@lander. As @TheEmu says, the 20 credits given for a blank card was never promoted; it was obviously a bug or oversight and hence Totem were perfectly within their rights to fix it.

Granted that testing should have identified and eliminated before the launch.

It´s quiet simple. If you get pissed by loosing, then don´t play games. It´s obvious that those games like scratchcards or slot mashines are made to make money. Just like in a casino, the bank never looses.

As one of the members posted (sorry - can't remember who and it was in French) it is all about adrenaline in hunting the target and the dopamine rush when you get it. Sadly, for some, when that wears off, all that is left are the gambling regrets when you realise how much you have lost - and that's when the angry comments get posted in the forum.

i was the first person to post that the 20 credit prize existed and in that post I pointed out that there was no mention of it anywhere.

With the anywhere, totem takes it very seriously...
...whether it's 20, 50 or 100cr.
(screenshot taken just now)

230+ scratches and nada, I've gotten all the previous SEC's on earlier scratch offs but I really want the Stacy Cruz SEC and have had zero luck on these last couple of scratch off events. When I think I literally spent $150+ just trying to get that card has resigned me to the fact that I will just have to see these new SEC's sitting in the Girls Store forever unless some some other method of achieving them is initiated. I have all the cards except for maybe 15 of the 480P classics so I don't even get to take advantage of the "free cards" I scratch off.

but I really want the Stacy Cruz SEC

Yeah, that can be a hard candy...
Sorry, I couldn't resist, I got it yesterday. 😛

https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/44085/8?post=662137

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I am pretty sure that the 20 credit prize was never mentioned in the main picture, nor in the initial announcement or any other post originating from Totem. The pop-up explanation originally mentioned 5, 10, 25 and 50 but this was changed and now has 10, 20, 50 and 100 credits instead - checked only a few minutes ago following a new start of iStripper). I have no idea if it is still possible to win 20 credits, nor am I going to test it - I did very well out of this promotion and have quit while I am ahead.

@lander. As @TheEmu says, the 20 credits given for a blank card was never promoted; it was obviously a bug or oversight and hence Totem were perfectly within their rights to fix it.

The game anouncement in @Celine TGIF post on friday quite specifically mentions the 20 credit prize so does the popup explanation (both verified seconds ago). So it is neither a bug nor an oversight. It is simply that they felt we were winning too much.

It´s quiet simple. If you get pissed by loosing, then don´t play games. It´s obvious that those games like scratchcards or slot mashines are made to make money. Just like in a casino, the bank never looses.

My objection is not that we may lose in a game of chance. My objection is in Totem's complete and utter lack of ethics or respect when they alter so drastically the chances of winning mid game. This is not the first time they put out a scratch game. They should already know what to expect. Changing the rules like they just did is the equivalent of a casino removing all aces from a blackjack game while the gamblers are playing!

My objection is not that we may lose in a game of chance. My objection is in Totem's complete and utter lack of ethics or respect when they alter so drastically the chances of winning mid game. This is not the first time they put out a scratch game. They should already know what to expect. Changing the rules like they just did is the equivalent of a casino removing all aces from a blackjack game while the gamblers are playing!

You should never gamble digitally, it is incredibly dangerous, much more so than mechanical gambling. you have to udnerand that the game can be different for each customer based on their collection, their win % in previous games...the game can give cards that are rarely bought or that an algorithm decides you are unlikely to buy based on your current purchases...it can keep you winning this week but make you lose next week. And obviously the odds can change daily. If the community was smart they would boycott the games until totem gives us the odds for each type of win and assures us the game is random. They have released broken games multiple times and having to be clear about the math behind the games might be helpful to totem as well.

@Llander

@Celine 's initial post on Friday did not mention the 20 credit win, nor did the original pop-up description. The post was edited shortly after my post regarding the discrepancies between the texts and the experience of playing a few cards, I do not know when the pop-up was modified.

It's a bit weird they would remove the 20 credit prize if people were winning too much, they should have a compensator running to adjust the odds based on used credits vs wins/payouts like fruit machines have had for decades (~75% payout). Then again, i only know about the compensator because a friend used to work for a fruit machine company so maybe they haven't even though of it...

At the last scratch game, since Kaiju replied on this thread, I asked him in a private message why as a triple diamond member my results were so bad (No SEC, unwanted 720p & 1080p cards for double almost triple their normal price). It seems he didn't understand my question. Despite the numbers I presented he insisted that this never happens and said I should "believe him" this was advantageous for me. He basically told me when I pay 25 credits on average for a card worth 8.8 (and that I don't even want) was "a huge bargain".

It seems from his answer they don't take into account many factors when they design these games. Every edition many bugs are reported.

Scratch game is probably advantageous for new members building their collection, who plan to get all the cards.
From what maxed-out members posted on the forum, this edition was advantageous for them, because they got the SEC and extra credits.

All other members are wasting their time and credits on the scratch game, because it is not designed for us to win SECs.

I'm asking @Totem, what's the point in me playing if I can't get an SEC (main reason for playing) and I get mostly lower quality unwanted cards for more expensive than what they are worth?

As other members have suggested before, all members who are between new and maxed-out members are the ones paying for this promotion. If we stop taking part in this, Totem will have to improve this game to make it worth it for us.

@gkar45 oh right sorry, I didn't even check after posting. 😄
I just paste Kaiju's reply here:

March 26
hi Arise77
Sorry for the delay. It's quite the rush here.

This scratch ticket costs the double price of the previous one, but in this one, you win 2 cards instead of 1. You never pay more than double price of a card. In the worse case scenario, you pay 20 credits and win 2 720P cards. As a triple diamond, that means you pay 20 credits instad of 17,6 credits. This is a very particular case wich has been taken in account in the overall odds calculations. That's why you can alos win credits (up to 200 with this ticket) And it shouldn't happen often except if you have only 720P to buy.

Believe me, at the end, the cards sold via the sctach tickets are a huge bargain for members. And this is without counting the thousands of exclusive cards we offer ( more than 5000 for now with this scratch ticket).

But for all guys that are not into tose kind of promotion, we will soon launch a loyalty-based scratch ticket system.

Stay tuned, Stay safe too Arise :)