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Censorship Форум / Всё о iStripper
boan000
Присоединился в Apr 2008 273 Сообщения
23 March 2019
Maybe we need to update the forum rules on what type of speech is permitted, and which type is forbidden.
Today, I learned that speech that can be viewed as racist is forbidden. Are there any other prejudices which are also not permitted to be expressed?
We need some solid guidelines here, I think. I can't be bothered to worry about whether something I say might offend some snowflakes, so let's get some solid guidelines from the moderators and team Totem of what is and what is not permitted here on these boards.
Today, I learned that speech that can be viewed as racist is forbidden. Are there any other prejudices which are also not permitted to be expressed?
We need some solid guidelines here, I think. I can't be bothered to worry about whether something I say might offend some snowflakes, so let's get some solid guidelines from the moderators and team Totem of what is and what is not permitted here on these boards.
DIDGEDRUM
Присоединился в Mar 2008 2336 Сообщения
23 March 2019
Aw, c'mon, @boan000, you've been active here for 10 years.....Neither you, nor anyone else with a modicum of common sense does NOT know exactly what is acceptable and what is not...
Risk taking can have negative consequences, so no-one should be surprised at any forthcoming retribution should the line be crossed...
Risk taking can have negative consequences, so no-one should be surprised at any forthcoming retribution should the line be crossed...
boan000
Присоединился в Apr 2008 273 Сообщения
23 March 2019 (edited)
I've been a consumer of Totem's product much longer than 10 years, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, Didgedrum. If comments are going to censored on these boards, more concrete guidelines need to be set than the vague "causes discomfort" which appears now. All she did was express a personal prejudice. When did this become *****? Censorship is far more offensive to me than opinions I disagree with.
Her comment was deleted, but all of the "***** speech" directed at her in a personal way still sits in the forum. This is hypocrisy. She didn't attack anybody on these boards, but other members criticize and attack her for her preferences. This is hypocrisy of the worst sort. Personally. I am fed up with all of this PC nonsense and its accompanying virtue signalling. We're stumbling toward totalitarianism in the West and the idiots are patting themselves on the back for their retractions and apologies, coughing up their freedoms in the process. We're a pubic hair's breadth away from Orwell's nightmare and people are oblivious. It's disgusting.
If a comment does not CLEARLY ***** forum rules, it should not be censored. The rules on what kind of speech is acceptable might be common sense, but they're very poorly defined, not to mention quite open to subjective interpretation.
Her comment was deleted, but all of the "***** speech" directed at her in a personal way still sits in the forum. This is hypocrisy. She didn't attack anybody on these boards, but other members criticize and attack her for her preferences. This is hypocrisy of the worst sort. Personally. I am fed up with all of this PC nonsense and its accompanying virtue signalling. We're stumbling toward totalitarianism in the West and the idiots are patting themselves on the back for their retractions and apologies, coughing up their freedoms in the process. We're a pubic hair's breadth away from Orwell's nightmare and people are oblivious. It's disgusting.
If a comment does not CLEARLY ***** forum rules, it should not be censored. The rules on what kind of speech is acceptable might be common sense, but they're very poorly defined, not to mention quite open to subjective interpretation.
iPseudo
Присоединился в Dec 2018 37 Сообщения
23 March 2019
It's mildly amusing when people who ***** about delicate snowflakes practically beg for a safe space where they can be free from any consideration of others' feelings.
Meanwhile, Totem is probably busy trying to figure out which side has more disposable income.
Meanwhile, Totem is probably busy trying to figure out which side has more disposable income.
23 March 2019
It's a difficult slope...
But this being the Private Forums of iStripper based in Paris.
I believe the guidelines will fall within the bounds of the EU beliefs
I being from the US, was brought up with a different set of beliefs.
One belief is that all speech is protected, even speech that might be uncomfortable to others.
So as a MOD, I tend to take a non Censorship approach.
If a post, causes other members to react, or I am sent PM's to that affect.
I may send the OP a PM, asking them to choose words more carefully.
But I wouldn't censor the post.
We do have a few words we are tasked with watching for.
But mostly just the code of Conduct.
It is this one...
That is sometimes difficult Because in the EU, their are different rules regarding what Speech is protected and what Speech isn't.
But one thing we have to be careful of...
The MOB does not make the rules.
Totem makes the rules.
But this being the Private Forums of iStripper based in Paris.
I believe the guidelines will fall within the bounds of the EU beliefs
I being from the US, was brought up with a different set of beliefs.
One belief is that all speech is protected, even speech that might be uncomfortable to others.
So as a MOD, I tend to take a non Censorship approach.
If a post, causes other members to react, or I am sent PM's to that affect.
I may send the OP a PM, asking them to choose words more carefully.
But I wouldn't censor the post.
We do have a few words we are tasked with watching for.
But mostly just the code of Conduct.
VII. CODE OF CONDUCT
While using the Software and using the Product, you agree to comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations. You also agree to comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Product (the "Code of Conduct"). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and Totem Entertainment reserves the right to modify this Code of Conduct at any time, as well as take any appropriate disciplinary measures including Account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Product, regardless of whether a specific behaviour is listed here as prohibited. The following are examples of behaviour that warrant disciplinary measures:
- Impersonating any person, business, or entity, including an employee of Totem Entertainment, or communicating in any way that makes it appear that the communication originates from Totem Entertainment;
- Posting identifying information about yourself, or any other user, in the Product;
- Harassing, stalking, or threatening any other users in the Product;
- Removing, altering or concealing any copyright, trademark, patent or other proprietary rights notices of Totem Entertainment contained in the Product and/or the Software. You also may not transmit content that violates or infringes the rights of others, including without limitation, patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, publicity, personal rights or other proprietary or non-proprietary rights;
- Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Totem Entertainment, is deemed offensive, including, but not limited to, language that is unlawful, *****, threatening, *****, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;
- Spamming the forum or private messages, whether for personal or commercial purposes, by disrupting the flow of conversation with repeated postings of a similar nature;
- Participating in any action which, in the sole and exclusive judgment of Totem Entertainment, "exploits" an undocumented aspect of the Product in order to secure an any benefit;
It is this one...
- Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Totem Entertainment, is deemed offensive, including, but not limited to, language that is unlawful, *****, threatening, *****, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable;
That is sometimes difficult Because in the EU, their are different rules regarding what Speech is protected and what Speech isn't.
But one thing we have to be careful of...
The MOB does not make the rules.
Totem makes the rules.
boan000
Присоединился в Apr 2008 273 Сообщения
23 March 2019
Let's not ***** categories, iPseudo. I am not saying that we should not try to be considerate of others, I am simply acknowledging that what might be offensive to one person is not offensive to another, as well as the the possibility that the one offending may be unaware that others will be offended by said comment. If the comment was made knowing that it would offend, but intentionally posted anyway, then yes, that would be a clear ***** of forum rules since the poster knew that her post would "cause discomfort".
The freedom to speak one's mind is a basic human right. If people cannot be mature enough to overlook offensive remarks, or to reply in a respectable manner expressing their disagreement, we're in serious trouble as a society. I still contend that she did not attack any members on these boards, but only expressed a personal preference. If this is too scary for people, wow, we may as well just throw awy all of our guns, sign away all personal freedoms, and tell Big Brother the world is too scary and that we need him to tak the helm and control every aspect of our miserable existences.
ROFLMAO! Good one!
The freedom to speak one's mind is a basic human right. If people cannot be mature enough to overlook offensive remarks, or to reply in a respectable manner expressing their disagreement, we're in serious trouble as a society. I still contend that she did not attack any members on these boards, but only expressed a personal preference. If this is too scary for people, wow, we may as well just throw awy all of our guns, sign away all personal freedoms, and tell Big Brother the world is too scary and that we need him to tak the helm and control every aspect of our miserable existences.
Meanwhile, Totem is probably busy trying to figure out which side has more disposable income.
ROFLMAO! Good one!
DIDGEDRUM
Присоединился в Mar 2008 2336 Сообщения
23 March 2019
Common sense is applied, knowing which comments are not very PC, or otherwise...
KKK is a direct reference to Ku Klux Klan and their idiotic insanity......nothing to do with being PC...
Reference to KKK is not merely an accidental typo.....it is a conscious racist slur......a racist slur is an outdated, misguided, ignorant attitude of mind, best kept, as a personal, twisted mindset and not used in a public, descriptive way, such as in a Forum...
In the lunacy currently prevalent throughout the world, such a lack of comprehension as these threads exhibit, worries me just as much as the ***** that frequent the planet.
KKK is a direct reference to Ku Klux Klan and their idiotic insanity......nothing to do with being PC...
Reference to KKK is not merely an accidental typo.....it is a conscious racist slur......a racist slur is an outdated, misguided, ignorant attitude of mind, best kept, as a personal, twisted mindset and not used in a public, descriptive way, such as in a Forum...
In the lunacy currently prevalent throughout the world, such a lack of comprehension as these threads exhibit, worries me just as much as the ***** that frequent the planet.
boan000
Присоединился в Apr 2008 273 Сообщения
23 March 2019
@Wyldanimal, nope sorry, personal opinion does not qualify as content. Content is digital material in the form of images or video, or possibly opinion pieces quoted from other sources. The racially offensive bit needs to also be commuted to the third bulletpoint. Since it was addressing content, I only skimmed it. Like Didgerum said, it might be common sense, but if the ban on racially offensive material is going to apply to peronal comments, it needs to be explicitly stated in the section dealing with personal speech in the forum, and not only in the bullet point dealing with 'content'. I'll admit I only skimmed that bullet point when I saw it was dealing with content since it doesn't apply to peronal opinions expressed by members. I am glad that racially offensive content is explicitly forbidden, but that should alo be stated clearly in regards to personal speech as well.
boan000
Присоединился в Apr 2008 273 Сообщения
23 March 2019 (edited)
@Didge, as has been pointed out, this is a private forum so the freedoms observed in the public square do not necessarily apply here. In light of that, I will agree that such opinions should not be expressed on these boards (especially in view of the fact that racially offensive "content" has already been expresly forbidden here, as WA pointed out). Common sense should inform anybody that this ban applies to personal speech as well, but that needs to be explicitly stated in the rules if punitive action is going to be taken against offenders.
And the lunacy you decried exists because we've become a society incapable of having adult conversations about offensive topics. This needs to change or it is just going to keep getting crazier... and scarier when we start seeing the boots come down on the necks of the offenders who say things the powers that be define as "***** speech".
And the lunacy you decried exists because we've become a society incapable of having adult conversations about offensive topics. This needs to change or it is just going to keep getting crazier... and scarier when we start seeing the boots come down on the necks of the offenders who say things the powers that be define as "***** speech".
23 March 2019
nope sorry, personal opinion does not qualify as content.
I once worked on a content management system for a very large organization in the Washington area. Personal opinions as soon as they were stored either in digital form or as hard copies were definitely considered content.
While Wikipedia not an official source of definitions, it's usually pretty good: In publishing, art, and communication, content is the information and experiences that are directed towards an end-user or audience.[1] Content is "something that is to be expressed through some medium, as speech, writing or any of various arts".[2] Content can be delivered via many different media including the Internet, cinema, television, smartphones, audio CDs, books, e-books, magazines, and live events, such as speeches, conferences, and stage performances.
Postings here sound like content to me and I would certainly read Totem's Code of Conduct to include them.
boan000
Присоединился в Apr 2008 273 Сообщения
23 March 2019
You see the problem right, Dorsai6? It cannot be considered content by the original poster since prior to and during the transmission of the poster's opinion, it wasn't stored digitally anywhere, and therefore not 'content' by either of those definitions.
Nitpicky, I know, but still... just saying.
The code of conduct could use some touching up since we here in the States do not share the views of our European friends on the subject of what is permissable speech.
Nitpicky, I know, but still... just saying.
The code of conduct could use some touching up since we here in the States do not share the views of our European friends on the subject of what is permissable speech.
shodan084
Присоединился в Dec 2007 1652 Сообщения
24 March 2019
If it was a post to garner attention, it certainly got the limelight here. But why break out the ban hammer? You're using a tactical scope to fix a hangnail!
A wise mod once said "if it's an offensive personal opinion, it's probably best left unsaid."... or something like that... we could all learn from a little self censorship.
A PM to a mod expressing concern over a post would have been more tactful then the storm that has erupted here on the forums. Case closed. :)
A wise mod once said "if it's an offensive personal opinion, it's probably best left unsaid."... or something like that... we could all learn from a little self censorship.
A PM to a mod expressing concern over a post would have been more tactful then the storm that has erupted here on the forums. Case closed. :)
24 March 2019
It cannot be considered content by the original poster since prior to and during the transmission of the poster's opinion, it wasn't stored digitally anywhere
Wrong. From the first keystroke it is being stored somewhere.
I live in the states. 20 years ago I was a sysop on Compuserve. We had exactly the same problems and the same solution. This really has nothing to do with different attitudes in different places. It has to do with maintaining an environment that encourages civil discourse. I've said nothing about the message that triggered this verbal food fight. All I've tried to say is move on. If a serious problem develops which doesn't seem too likely I'm happy to let the moderators handle it.
24 March 2019
For me its not only a problem with only rules and laws as said just because different country have different rules and law. All open community have basically the sales rules, no politics, no religious, and mostly the same as in Totem's CODE OF CONDUCT.
I agree with @Dorsai6 we should encourage civil discourse, we are supposed to be all adults and mature people so there is no point to be disrespectful against others or against Totem. You can have your own opinion and different point of view but it's not a reason to be harmfull.
It still possible to make mistakes because some word in a language can be something really different in another. Let's take an example with a simple word : "koleos", for those who don't know Koleos is a french car (made by Renault) and it's infact an old Greek word (κολεός) meaning case, scabbard... but it's actual meaning is vagina.
A simple joke translated from a language to another can also be seen as disrespectful in another, we can't know everything nor a Moderator.
I tend to aggree with @wyldanimal when he's saying :
For me, he's perfectly doing is moderador job like that and if really someone need a ban (for anything), this decision should come from Totem and not a moderator.
What to do when you see someone posting a comment on a model page saying : "she's a good bitch".
Are you shocked or not ? Is that an insult or not ?
Personally, I'm a girl and I am not shocked, I take it as a compliment not as an insult (but it's my own opinion and I'm open minded).
The forum is private, you need to log in to see posts, and it's about Totem software which can show soft or full nudity or even pronographic content. We don't have the rights to post some nudity or porn in some forum's parts and I think it's fine like that.
Now when I see a problematic topic, I try to not answer or post unless I'm really concerned. Any gamer could tell you : "Don't feed the troll".
The only think I don't really agree with is about my old avatar. It was showing me nude with a cigarette but pubis was hidden so to me that was simply "sex art" and not breaking any rules (but maybe I have missed a line). Some said we could use anything else as picture, a car, a dog... since the avatar is public but question: "Are we on Disney Channel ?" No!
Anyway, @wyldanimal asked me to change it long ago, and I did (It was just a parenthesis😜 )
I agree with @Dorsai6 we should encourage civil discourse, we are supposed to be all adults and mature people so there is no point to be disrespectful against others or against Totem. You can have your own opinion and different point of view but it's not a reason to be harmfull.
It still possible to make mistakes because some word in a language can be something really different in another. Let's take an example with a simple word : "koleos", for those who don't know Koleos is a french car (made by Renault) and it's infact an old Greek word (κολεός) meaning case, scabbard... but it's actual meaning is vagina.
A simple joke translated from a language to another can also be seen as disrespectful in another, we can't know everything nor a Moderator.
I tend to aggree with @wyldanimal when he's saying :
I being from the US, was brought up with a different set of beliefs.
One belief is that all speech is protected, even speech that might be uncomfortable to others.
So as a MOD, I tend to take a non Censorship approach.
If a post, causes other members to react, or I am sent PM's to that affect.
I may send the OP a PM, asking them to choose words more carefully.
But I wouldn't censor the post.
For me, he's perfectly doing is moderador job like that and if really someone need a ban (for anything), this decision should come from Totem and not a moderator.
What to do when you see someone posting a comment on a model page saying : "she's a good bitch".
Are you shocked or not ? Is that an insult or not ?
Personally, I'm a girl and I am not shocked, I take it as a compliment not as an insult (but it's my own opinion and I'm open minded).
The forum is private, you need to log in to see posts, and it's about Totem software which can show soft or full nudity or even pronographic content. We don't have the rights to post some nudity or porn in some forum's parts and I think it's fine like that.
Now when I see a problematic topic, I try to not answer or post unless I'm really concerned. Any gamer could tell you : "Don't feed the troll".
The only think I don't really agree with is about my old avatar. It was showing me nude with a cigarette but pubis was hidden so to me that was simply "sex art" and not breaking any rules (but maybe I have missed a line). Some said we could use anything else as picture, a car, a dog... since the avatar is public but question: "Are we on Disney Channel ?" No!
Anyway, @wyldanimal asked me to change it long ago, and I did (It was just a parenthesis
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