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Over-stripping / Over-naked

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Hemingford
Присоединился в Oct 2013

178 Сообщения
10 October 2015
I'd like to see more teasing, more dancing and stripping. Yes, I think the girls are getting in fact naked too quick. And there are too many clips where the girls are naked right from the start.
OnAMac
Присоединился в Jun 2009

5 Сообщения
10 October 2015
If you want to see a great pole routine, play Kiara Lord's Insatiable card 0121 clip e0121_2052041. Play it at slow speed with a slow dancing to jazz song playing.

Also take a look at Ava Courcelles Executive Assistant clips e014_6148204 and e014_6148401. Once again play at slow speed with a slow dancing jazz song playing.

Belle Claire in Upper Management doesn't use a pole, but her standup striptease routines like e0228_14336406 and e0228_22528407 are great at slow speed with slow dancing jazz playing.

These are great examples of what I would like to see from VirtuaGirl. Of course these are good looking women who have great interaction with you.
alex34780000
Присоединился в Oct 2009

10 Сообщения
11 October 2015
My opinion, more shows full nudity walking with high heels and in/out full nude will be very appreciated.
My most favourite shows from the past are those, especially the fully nude walking in high heels
The entry of eufrat in the db card c0019-64502 is one of the best examples in that sense
EverthangForever
Присоединился в Oct 2009

2516 Сообщения
11 October 2015
@alex34780000, I think you mean 'fully nude other than high heels''.
..little wonder people get ***** on this forum. lol.
member84392371
Присоединился в Oct 2009

1323 Сообщения
11 October 2015 (edited)
Thanks for asking/listening Rex!

I agree with Apasas & Maverick302.

Also, if you do clips that start out naked, best to NOT use standing or pole clips but use the sitting on taskbar or taskbar over clips.
zzmaskers
Присоединился в Mar 2011

608 Сообщения
11 October 2015
I agree with alex34780000: starting fully nude other than high heels in the standing and pole clips have imo something very sexy. Please keep these.
Hemingford
Присоединился в Oct 2013

178 Сообщения
11 October 2015
*lool* Now I am *****. Do you guys mean fully nude, only wearing high heels are very appreciated? If so then I agree cause I think that's very sexy too! But for example poledance clips without shoes are imho redundant.
szalka
Присоединился в Apr 2010

1864 Сообщения
11 October 2015
In my opinion in VG shows takes a girls need they have good movement and good dancers on the floor and on pole, if they not good dancers them must go in DB shows.

VG:
I agree: The diversity is the main thing in this theme.
Must be lot of dancing scene - a third part with clothed with upskirt and teasing, a third part with lingerie or topless and last third part in nude clips. It's important that the strip-tease to be slow and sensual.
If in the show the model wearing only one-peices swimsuite or bikini or bra-panties lingerie - here must be applying the accessories - f.e.: if tehy wearing swimsuite or bikini: bathrobe, towels, magazines, MP4 player, bike, if they wearing only lingerie: stockings, tights, book, chair and tables, etc., the models using their make-up kit, doing everyday little thing beside teasing and strip-tease.
Let more role play show with special clothes, the girls can used wig too.
The show could fall or winter theme with raincoat, umbrella, winter jacket, ski boot, etc. - but in the end good sexy strip-tease because it is the essence of things.
Previously made similar clips - but these earlier shows were too soft with minimal nudity and eroticism.

It's very important the clips don't be monotone and boring.

DB:
Please the 1nd-2nd (maybe 3rd too) clips are standing clips with her seductive dresses and here the girls make a good sexy and teasing strip-tease. Then can coming sitting clips with masturbating and sex.
Here also the diversity is the main thing.
Clothes, role play, several sex toys, etc. - and another important thing: This shows are sound and disturbing noise of the platform shoes in action, better if the girls are barefoot after stripping.

It's very important these clips also don't be monotone and boring.

Vextron
Присоединился в Nov 2013

3 Сообщения
11 October 2015
I think it would be best to have a varity amoung cards with respect to "stripping speed". This will keep things interesting and avoid a uniform experience where every card feels the same. The approach proposed by others to leave this up to the girls to some extends seems reasonable for me. If a girl does not feel too comfortable with pole dancing then she should start to strip off her clothes instead (or do something else) to keep the show interesting.

Nevertheless I voted in the poll "Get naked too quick".
I feel that some of the recent cards could be improved by additional layers of clothing. For example: Sapphira - #0183 and Katya Clover - #0221 start out with rather conservative outfits. In the show the girls get nude quite fast because they don't wear any bra. A sexy bra would look good on both girls, keep the show going for a longer time and postpone the final reward of full nudity.
For bikini and lingerie outfits I agree with szalka: applying accessories is the right way. Victoria Blaze - #1011 and Chelsea French - #0720 are some good examples where this has been done in the past.
Apasas
Присоединился в Aug 2009

1038 Сообщения
11 October 2015 (edited)
I have looked at that most recent cards I have bought. Nearly all of them do not have any 'non-nudity' clips except for demo clips. So if I downloaded these without the demo there would be no non-nudity clips. To me this is evidence of over-stripping.

It should be noted that I often like to set the application at non-nudity. There are times I don't want topless or bottomless women girls appearing on my screen. But because there are no standard (I.e non-demo) non-nudity clips, many cards may not ever be played.

This is not just because the girl is wearing a transparent top. It usually is because the girl is stripping to topless in the first clips.

So I would like to have more standard clips which can be classed as non-nudity. As it us quite important to how I use the application.

In saying that, as I said in my previous post, I don't want to go back to the old days where there are many non-nudity clips where the girl doesn't do anything interesting. There are a couple of cards where a girl is wearing a short skirt, but doesn't flash her panties. Admittedly, the more recent cards don't seem to have this issue.
HombreSinSombra
Присоединился в Oct 2010

1249 Сообщения
11 October 2015
@Avatarr:
You're spot on with that Isizzu clip :D She does look gorgeous GETTING dressed. Reminds me of another fun clip but I forget who it was. A girl was stripping and chucking her clothes off to the side. Some bright spark kept throwing her clothes back on the set! Now that was unexpected and great fun to watch. ;)
szalka
Присоединился в Apr 2010

1864 Сообщения
11 October 2015 (edited)
@Hombre
I think you thought to Goldie's show (Rock The House - Nr.1126; this scene: a1126_68303), when she coming in nude into the pole bar and somebody bends her clothes, panties, mini dress and jacket and she dressed. Here she's very funny.
Goldie is a good artist and she has good sence of humour.
91hebasu
Присоединился в Jan 2008

1144 Сообщения
11 October 2015
Sounds to me like some people don't understand what Over Stripping is.

Over Stripping is when alot of time is spent wearing the outfit, doing the stripping part and there is Less Nudity.

Over Stripping is when alot of clips begin with the girl wearing her outfit, her doing the stripping thing during most of the clip and we only get to see nudity for a short time at the end.
RAGORN
Присоединился в Dec 2007

208 Сообщения
11 October 2015
@jununger http://www.virtuagirl.com/userProfile.php?usLogin=jununger : your comment on the first page is spot on. Clothed women can be as sexy and erotic than naked women. As well, naked women can be annoying. It mainly depends on what they do on screen, how, they move, how they play with our mind. Likewise, they don't have to fully undress in order to masturbate. The whole debate between over-stripping and getting naked too quick is mostly due to the inability from the girls and the "script writers" to find way of making interesting the clothed parts of the show.

@Apasas; I could have written your first comment, from "I buy VGHD because the girls are clothed" to "On the other hand, I don't want to go back to the days of the earlier cards where a girl could have several fully clothed clips where she just stands or sits about without even flashing anything". Really well said 😄

HombreSinSombra
Присоединился в Oct 2010

1249 Сообщения
11 October 2015
@szalka: Nope. That is also a really good fun clip and she's got some great pole skills too! But I'm thinking of someone else... I'll have a good dig in my collection unless someone else knows which clip I mean...
Apasas
Присоединился в Aug 2009

1038 Сообщения
11 October 2015
@91Hebasu - Thanks for the clarification. For some reason, I read it as 'stripping too much' although that doesn't make sense in the context of the pole. So my mistake there.

In that case, the girls are not over-stripping from my point of view in recent cards. But it certainly occurred in the earlier cards.
RAGORN
Присоединился в Dec 2007

208 Сообщения
11 October 2015 (edited)
@Rex et à l'équipe:

D'abord bonjour et merci de prendre le temps d'écouter votre clientèle. En ce qui concerne le sujet, votre problème provient essentiellement du fait que vous soyez pris pour tenter de réconcilier deux visions antinomiques de votre produit, entre d'une part ceux qui n'apprécient que les séquences les plus explicites et d'autre part, ceux qui se régalent des filles vêtues et des aspects "strip" et "teasing". Personnellement j'aprrécie ces deux aspects; mais ce qui constitue la singularité de VGHD, c'est cette possibilité d'apprécier nos petites coquines d'allumeuses. On se laisse aguicher avant de passer aux choses plus sérieuses. Du porno, il y en a plein sur Internet, du gratuit comme du payant. Mais très peu de sites nous offrent le côté aguicheur de VGHD. C'est ce qui distingue VGHD des autres produits de l'industrie. En bout de ligne, il est certain que la majorité de vos clients s'intéressent largement au côté explicite du produit - et donc vous ne pouvez pas réduire le nombre de ces clips - mais un bon nombre recherche également, voire essentiellement, le côté aguicheur et vêtu. Si vous abondonnez ces clients, vous perdrez également de bons payeurs.

Alors déjà, une des solutions ce serait d'offrir plus de clips non-nude et seins nus afin de satisfaire la seconde catégorie de vos clients. Les amateurs de clips explicites sont déjà largement servis alors qu'avec les nouvelles cartes la majorité des clips n'offre que de la nudité. Je ne propose pas de couper dans ces clips mais d'ajouter des clips de type "No nudity et Topless". Dans le passé on retrouvait entre 25 et 30 clips par carte. Maintenant on est plutôt entre 14 et 18. J'estime que vous devriez ramener plus de clips par carte, quite à réduire quelque peu la longueur des clips explicites sans en réduire le nombre (question de respecter la longueur des shows). De toute façon, bon nombre d'amateur de séquences explicites se plaignent de devoir endurer le striptease qui précède la masturbation. Alors, plutôt que de produire une carte de 3 minutes, où la fille prend 60 secondes pour enlever ses vêtements et 120 pour se masturber, autant produire 2 cartes, l'une disons de 80 secondes où la fille tease et aguiche, puis une de 100 secondes, constituant sa suite directe, où la fille enlèverait ses vêtements (ou ce qu'il lui en reste) dès son apparition, avant de passer aux choses sérieuses. Ce qui n'exclut pas la possibilité d'offrir aussi peut-être 2 clips avec strip-tease intégral et séquence osée.

Ensuite, il est très possible de rendre les clips "No nudity" et "Topless" plus attrayants pour tout le monde. Le modèle à l'écran se doit simplement de captiver son auditoire, d'agir de façon sexuée même si elle est vêtue. Assise sur la barre, rien ne l'empêche de masser ses seins par dessus ses vêtements, tout en nous souriant de façon coquine. Puis de flasher un sein, de remonter sa jupe jusqu'à sa taille afin de dévoiler son porte-jarretelle, avant de rabattre sa jupe et de faire non du doigt. Quitte à nous tirer la langue par la suite.

Un autre exemple: le modèle arrive à l'écran, vêtu en secrétaire, avec minijupe juste au-dessus du genou. Elle déboutonne sa blouse, révélant un soutien-gorge en lingerie fine; elle masse ses seins, en dégage un de son soutien-gorge, liche son sein, fait pareil avec son 2e sein, saisit les mamelons et les fait rouler entre ses doigts, pince légèrement sur ses mamelons, joue avec, puis rhabille ses seins. Notre secrétaire marche jusqu'à son bureau, style "Lucynova, Young Secretary", s'asseoit, puis nous fait une scène à la Basic Instinct, croisant et recroisant les jambes afin de titiller son auditoire. Même si elle ne porte pas de string, la scène devrait satisfaire même la plupart des amateurs de non-nude. La scène suivante? Notre secrétaire vient s'asseoir sur le bureau, refait le coup des jambes croisées et recroisées, puis retire sa blouse, son soutien-gorge, joue avec ses seins, écarte les cuisses en grand et se masturbe - dans les limites permises sur VirtuaGirl. L
RAGORN
Присоединился в Dec 2007

208 Сообщения
11 October 2015
(suite, puisque j'ai été coupé)

Tout ça pour dire qu'il est très possible de réaliser des clips sans nudité (ou avec seins nus) capables de réconcilier tout le monde. De la même façon que la fille n'a pas besoin d'être totalement nue afin de se livrer à des séquences de masturbation. À la limite, elle n'a pas besoin d'être nue du tout. On peut par exemple imaginer un modèle se masturbant en glissant une main dans sa culotte. Elle ne montre rien, le clip peut être classé sans nudité mais devrait plaire à bien des gens, à l'exeption de ceux qui n'apprécient que les séquences les plus osées.

Je crois personnellement que VGHD avait trouvé un bon équilibre avec des filles comme Jana Cova, Morgane, Natali Blond, Anna Tatu - toutes parmi les plus populaires. Elles pourraient servir de modèles à bien des égards.
Apasas
Присоединился в Aug 2009

1038 Сообщения
11 October 2015
@Ragorn - Je suis d'accord avec le plupart de ce que tu dis. En fait, j'adore les clip dans lesquels les filles mettent les mains dans son slip.

Je pense que tu donnes de bons avis dans ton denier paragraph. Je trouvais qu'il y avaiit un bon equilibrium dans les show de Morgane et Jana Cova. J''ajouterais aussi Alizée, Chem et Jana H á cette liste.
RAGORN
Присоединился в Dec 2007

208 Сообщения
12 October 2015
@Apasas: Thanks. I agree with you about Chem, she's another great model - and thus, she was exceptionnaly popular. Jana H is also a great performer. Unfortunately, I can't stand the boob jobs, so I usually skip her cards, along many others.

Tchoukie
Присоединился в Jan 2008

4 Сообщения
12 October 2015
A partial solution might be to replace the 'Progressive hotness' button with a slider. At one end only dressed clips (teasing) and at the other end only naked clips. The number of dressed/underwear/naked clips played before switching models would depend on the position of the slider. Let's say that the slider has 5 positions. For example, if someone would prefer fast stripping the slider position 4 might play 1 dressed/1 underwear and the rest naked. On the other side the slider position 2 might play 1 underwear/1 naked and the rest dressed.

The total show might be slightly longer to accomodate more clips of each type (and hopefully that can be done without raising Totem's production costs significantly)

Hope this helps
x18591996
Присоединился в May 2012

102 Сообщения
12 October 2015
It should be up to the gal.

Whatever she's comfortable with.

There's no need to hurry or delay things ... as that reduces spontaneity.

Viola and Tracy Smile are pretty much dead-on.​​​
altair500
Присоединился в Jan 2009

26 Сообщения
12 October 2015
De toute façon, bon nombre d'amateur de séquences explicites se plaignent de devoir endurer le striptease qui précède la masturbation.
Dans ce cas, ils ne connaissent pas les filtres qui permettent de n'afficher que les clips nudité complète et classés X.

Je pense que c'est justement l'intérêt de séparer VGHD et DeskBabes, les personnes qui souhaitent des clips plus explicites seront plus intéressés par DB, c'est tout l'intérêt de cette séparation que de satisfaire tout le monde, après il faut que totem continue a faire cette différence... mais personnellement je suis satisfait de ce qui se fait actuellement alors je n'ai pas grand chose à redire sur tout ça.
hushhushbb
Присоединился в Feb 2012

48 Сообщения
12 October 2015 (edited)
The dance show should be slow between teasing and stripping to enjoy it
Dorsai6
Присоединился в Apr 2013

1033 Сообщения
12 October 2015
My 2 cents: Mai Sollis - Heat Stroke #0239 is nearly optimal for me. She starts clothed, has 4 items to remove and looks great every step of the way. The only thing missing would be shoes at the start.
aries25
Присоединился в Apr 2011

20 Сообщения
12 November 2015
For me, it really depends on the girl. Some times all I want to do is see one of my favorites get naked. If she is taking too long, that can be very frustrating. But sometimes a nice slow strip, especially by someone who knows what she is doing, can be very, very nice....
Meidengroep
Присоединился в Mar 2014

7 Сообщения
12 November 2015
I prefer it when some clothes remain on.
TheEmu
Присоединился в Jul 2012

3309 Сообщения
13 November 2015
I prefer a slow strip involving several clothes, not just a single layer. unbuttoning a blouse to reveal a bra is, for me, more interresting than just slipping off a tee shirt that is worn over nothing. Simple things like unbuckling a belt or unzipping a zip before taking off a skirt also add interrest.

There needs to be nudity as a final destination, but for me the "journey" is the more interresting part. Quite often I inhibit the X rated or even the full nudity levels, but I rarely inhibit any of the clothed levels.
ElReyGirls
Присоединился в Feb 2012

5 Сообщения
13 November 2015
Rex, thanks for taking interest in our perference for VG.

I enjoy "traditional" striptease and watching women slowly, teasingly undress. What and how they take it off depends on what they are wearing, but I much prefer basically starting with sexy dresses, bra, panties, stocking and garter, and of course high heels. Ultimately, I like to see her eventually completely naked, and I prefer the girl keeps her shoes on all the way to the end, and may perhaps finally remove them at the very end on the final taskbar scene.

I like to have clips and series of clips (or transitions) where the girl eventually strip completely naked for strip pole routine, for standing routine, and for a set of "over taskbar" and "taskbar over" scenes. I like to see at least one or more "nude at start" clips for each categlory for strip pole, standing, taskbar, and taskbar over scenes; it would be great if two or more "nude at start" clips can be offered for over taskbar scenes. With a series of such clips, I can choreography one to serveral complete, different strip shows for each card programed on a combination of different clip scenes using Starryk's VG Playlist Manager 2.9; I find it is enjoyable to be able to do this and also greatly enhance enjoyment of VG. The new recent series of 3K VG cards generally have the clips scenes that enable to build different, complete strip shows almost seamlessly between clips. Recent shows such as Henessy e0159, Cameron Dee e0182, Lucy Li e0235, Marina Visconti e0267 are good examples. It appears most of the older, pre-3K card series do not have the clips that you can easily build different complete strip shows with smooth transitions between clips.
Phildahu
Присоединился в Dec 2013

1 Сообщения
13 November 2015
I love the shows which are naked at start, or bottomless. but the Xrated "masturbating" has nothing to do on VirtuaGirls, there is the Beskbabes for that. So on one CARD there should have plenty of room for slow striptease, no nude, naked from start.
BR

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