I also want to add that some form of normalization for the audio is very much needed. The volume level difference between cards and clips is way to high, it needs constant adjusting.

Looks like somebody really dislikes porn.

Well if one thing is certain, ppl buying the "old" XXX cards don't think of them as porn at all - for this there are other sites/services available and those cards are and can't be in any competition to that.

Maybe I am spoiled having seen strip shows on stage more explict than those "standard" cards labeled as XXX hotness level, but from what I read and see the new "full XXX" cards exactly go that way. Yes, shows with only table clips could be a bit boring, so some tweaking would be great. But branding a card as "XXX" being too close to to old extended hotness level is kinda cheating and especially with the missing sound and introduction is going 100% what you wanted to avoid - the new shows getting boring.

A XXX card has to be destinct bot in hotness level and performance from standard cards - only offering "mainstream products" will impact the sales for all those customers not interested to buy every single card, no matter what (well and that should be the majority).

I read some great suggestions here, thanks for those guys, especially @Theo.

The best idea I read however is more freedom for the models - this really should be extended to what they want to show - the best cards always have been those where you can clearly see the girls having some fun doing their job and nothing else encourages a better performance and therefore higher sales for their other cards.

With that having said, please take a look at the great suggestions and "improve" the "old" format, let the girls have more freedom and if some girls are interested in doing Duos again, I am sure not only myself will buy more cards, faster, even at a higher price.

Personally I also agree with Theo on one of the earlier pages. I still remember the XXX shows of Eve Angel and Sophie Sweet. Those were amazing.

Oh and forgot to add this, if I buy a card classified as XXX I do expect some serious XXX content weirdly enough 😊

The current format is fine, I just want a few more xxx clips,2-3mins, and if they have large/big naturals I would like to see them ride a dildo.

A couple of xxx ideas for @Team to consider:

1. Instead of pairing two models at huge expense, Totem
could contract with a regular very attractive local actress
who does not need to strip down or perform acts on herself.
Being one of the team & a Parisian she would not require accomodation
or travel reimbursements etc.
Totem could offer to pair this local lady with new models as they arrive.
An inhouse actor (masturbation assistant) available on hand so to speak.
It would not fuss me much if one of a duo remained dressed or bikini clad
because much of the pleasure is the interaction, with focus usually on the
feature model being stroked & masturbated anyhow.

2. Totem having gone to the trouble & expense of increasing product resolution to 3k or 4k, it now seems illogical to reduce use of closer view clips. It may be unwise to flood XXX cards with xxx pole and standing xxx clips now. The body in standing clips is by necessity rendered smaller than in usual sitting clips.
Larger image table card animations seem most suited to hi-res xxx work.
If models start sharing the floor work more with pole time in same clips eg: Estonika~Overzealous
the images will be way too small to sustain long term interest in xxx cards imho.

Not sure i can add something new to this thread but as a member who has been around since 2008 and remembers the discussion that went on which lead to the launch of Deskbabes i have to say that the new format is what at least i had in mind for deskbabes from the start. an x-rated version of VirtuaGirl with longer fingering and dildo clips.
The ratio must be right though between x-rated and not x-rated. and for the xxx-cards that should be about 50:50.

I also really loved the addition of sound though of course it depends on the model and the quality of that sound. I really loved the dirty talk clips. Jana Cova set a high standard for me on that area along with a few others. But thats where the talent of the model comes into play. If the sound she makes are just so clearly fake it has the opposite effect and might work better without sound.

Duos well there were a few really fantastic duo shows and a lot of very disappointing ones on Deskbabes. At first Deskbabes was too much about duo and i always preferred the solos.

I voted for 'new format goes into the right direction but needs a lot of improvement btw.

How about some x-rated glass pane clips? More clips with sound definitely. Dirty/ Teasing talk on the table when the model feels comfortable with it and Totem can get the right sound quality. That would make me happy.

I really loved the dirty talk clips. Jana Cova set a high standard for me on that area along with a few others. But thats where the talent of the model comes into play.

Models who have this talent should have more focus on sound clips for sure.

I miss the first version of "Deskbabe" where 2 girls were playing with each other, and sometime even really having sex to each other. My favorite wre when there was strap on involved. Since it changed, I am having trouble to buy new cards, eventhough the girls are hotter. So please bring back the "Sex on your Desktop" with the IStripperXXX cards and make me a happy customer again.

It looks like I'm done with iStripper. I ***** the new format! The Deskbabes XXX cards are what brought me back to the software. They were perfect as is, there was no need to change anything. If certain users didn't like them, then all they had to do was buy the dance cards. Variety is a good thing! After reading a myriad of posts ***** about the new format and seeing the poll results claiming the opposite, I have to call BS. You can claim that the production costs are the same, but that's a blatant lie. If the show's run-time is shorter, then the filming schedule is shorter, the model's fee is less (because her time on set is less, and what she's willing to do - anal, duo, etc., not to mention that most XXX cards were DUOs, so two models does cost more), and the cameraman and crew involved are able to shoot more shows, for less money if the shows are shorter. To tell me otherwise, is just dishonest. Please don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

So after being fed a line of bull crap about the production costs not being any less, and seeing more posts in the forums in favor of the old format, and then seeing the poll results claiming the opposite, I have to doubt that this poll is legitimate. So if this is the new direction for iStripper, I'll be going another. I believe you need to think about the repercussions to your business if you listen to the many users who purchase only a few cards, over the few users who purchase many cards. Who's really paying the bills? Keep that in mind.

The Deskbabes XXX cards are what brought me back to the software. They were perfect as is, there was no need to change anything. If certain users didn't like them, then all they had to do was buy the dance cards. Variety is a good thing!

Or perhaps that is precisely what happened, if "old format" style cards were selling like hotcakes, they would just continue cranking them out - there would be zero motivation for change.

Since they are changing things, and asking for feedback on the proposed changes, that is a clear indication that the XXX cards weren't successful.

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Suggestions:

I liked the Duo cards, my prime suggestion would be to find a way where it is feasible to release at least some new Duo cards.

Beyond that, my favorite XXX shows have personality - some combination of the girl being a tremendous performer, the outfit & props being interesting, something new like the "Glass" feature, or all of the above.

Sound quality - I usually don't even bother anymore to turn the sound on, the sound levels always seemed all over the place - the quiet parts are too quiet the loud parts too loud, and far too many stomping sounds.

Sound quality - I usually don't even bother anymore to turn the sound on, the sound levels always seemed all over the place - the quiet parts are too quiet the loud parts too loud, and far too many stomping sounds.

@smudge46 agree. I think its a big ask to expect people to find the sound mixer every time a clip changes.

The peeps who were buying every card (collectors) are probably dying off or becoming part of the more selective crowd. (Spoilt for choice)

Totem have to turn a coin and as you say, for the shooting time allotted xxx probably is
not competing with free stuff out there to the extent it was hoped for.
Now that disappointment with the 'New' format is possibly resulting in sales dropping off further, they have every justification to instead just shoot another regular show which will probably earn them more nett.

I'm surprised at the result too. I'm glad @Rex is leaving in 'table masturbation to orgasm' however. Lack of that is one big reason I figure a lot of peeps were logging into iStripper for the warm-up yet leaving without buying cards to go to their alternatives. Climax hunting diamonds maybe ..but with no loyalty. lol.

Personally i don't like the duo cards and i find that it's much better.
The new XXX card are like that much better.
It's perfect, i love 😍.

Thank you totem 😉.

After reading a myriad of posts ***** about the new format and seeing the poll results claiming the opposite, I have to call BS.

I think the poll reflects accurately, it is just missing what is the actual expected xxx content. From reading the thread till now, it seems like the majority wants more xxx regardless of the composition.

I think the poll reflects accurately, it is just missing what is the actual expected xxx content. From reading the thread till now, it seems like the majority wants more xxx regardless of the composition.

@KatzPaw - I see almost exactly the opposite. I see a vociferous minority (some who have posted many times to express their view so they are over represented if you just count posts) who want more XXX but rather more, judging from the poll results but also from the comments, seem in favour of the XXX cards to feature a lower proportion of XXX action than there had been in the old style XXX cards. Quite what that proportion should be, and how it should be distributed over the individual clips, is not so clear.

I'm not sure it's a minority, the poll questions leave plenty of wiggle room. If you count together all "unhappy with new format" options it goes up to 59%, depending on how you interpret the options. On the other hand there is no option for "i really love the new format, keep it like it is."

For me it keeps coming back to this:
Why make two very similar products, a wider variety gives the company a broarder customer base and therefore a more surefooted stand, not to mention more options for the customer. If they decide to keep the new xxx format, whats the point really? Just axe it completle and streamline production for those that are fine with it.


I'm not sure i stick around if they decide to keep this neither fish nor fowl format.

(although we can’t record sound when the models are dancing because we’re playing music in the studio).

I haven't had time to read the entire thread but maybe if the sound on dancing clips could be recorded we could be given a second sound option to allow us to hear the music the models are dancing to. l know many users play their own music during the shows but I just find the mismatch of music annoying (probably to do with my song selection). The couple of times I have found a song that matches up well I really enjoy it and I think that the easiest way as a user to get this would be to hear what the model hears.

As for the changes to the shows I enjoy the longer XXX table scenes but also like to see the models performing XXX standing and pole scenes. A balance between the two styles of XXX cards would be great.

With one in eight respondents posting here (my calculation: 70 unique member posts / 562 poll responds)
The deskbabes (first option) experiment is over it seems :-/
It is worth considering that Totem may have in fact created the issues noted here by:

Expecting people to choose wisely whether they want xxx in Settings
then giving no return option.

Not allowing anyone under 100 cards to manage clips in cards.

@L3088 - Having the music recorded as part of the clip would require that Totem obtained, and paid for, the right to distribute that music in every country that iStripper was distributed in. This would not be cheap unless it was restricted to a very small set of tunes. A lot of YouTube is blocked in Gemany because of background music for which the right to distribute it has not been obtained (or at least it was, I have not checked for a couple of months and I vaguely remember that some sort of deal was being brokered.

@TheEmu I believe the old all table format is dead, my observations were people like the new format in terms of variation over just table clips, and some don't care. They just want more xxx. Have about 45 clear opinions so far in the comments and the majority wanted more xxx involved in the new format, not what is currently being produced. But it's just me speculating from what I've read.

As far as the argument for longer clips, Jana Cova's superb defining xxx card is plagued by short clips that disturb her sweet guiding sexy talk. Except for the shining example at the end, a whopping 7:35 minute clip of action and sound bliss.

@KatzPaw - I could not find anything like 45 clear opinions in the comments, more like 20. I admit however that of those there was a small majority in favour of more XXX which is not the impression that I had previous got when reading this thread a post at a time. But in any case it is a small minority of those voting, so small as to be statisticly almost meaningless (which does not mean that that the views expressed should be ignored, only that no one should jump to conclusions based only on the numbers).

I agree with you about plagues of short clips. I would much rather have a dozen or so longer clips than twenty or more short ones - this being so no matter whether the card in qustion is a XXX one or not.

Perhaps the "back to basics" mantra being touted as 'DNA' ie: dancing clips invading xxx, as apposed to maintaining numbers of table clips is not really a cure-all for economic viability any more. Webchat, with >90% reclining models is waiting to take back the dollars from xxx peeps who leave here.

I think we are all biased according to how we use iStripper. I know I am. Some people are cautious in their use of iStripperxxx due to the circumstances in which they live. @TheEmu, consider how you yourself may also be a little biased due to the fullscreen remix scenes body of work you have promulgated. This being configured almost entirely for standing or pole models. Its perplexing to me when champions of diversity seem to seek the opposite.
Diversity also means supporting larger model animations on table scenes, one would think. No ?

My take on XXX Content is that the format is less important than the quality of the performance.. Performers such as Gloria,, Sybil or Lola are so beautiful , natural and sexy, that whatever they ar doing comes across as spontaneous and erotic, while in others actions may seem contrived and lacking spontaneity. However I am not saying that formats are unimportant, and I certainly prefer longer takes.

@TheEmu I am not trying to make stuff up, maybe I am just seeing what I am biased to :P

@KatzPaw - I am sure you are not making things up, its just that you and I differ on what we regard as clear opinions.

@EverthangForever - Certainly I am biased, but in my posts I tried to make it clear when I am refering my own personal preferances (which is for less XXX content even in XXX cards) and when I am trying to point out that although some want a lot more XXX content that it is not clear that this is the overwhelming wish of the majority (which some in other threads seem to have claimed). The only data we have with reasonble statistics is the vote in favour of the new XXX style rather than the old style, there simply are not enough comments to be statisticly significant. I admit that what few there are have a (small) majority in favour of more XXX despite my initial impression that it was the other way round, but I suspect that in part this is because people who think they are loosing something are more likely to comment than those who are happy with the change.

I do think that a good case can be made for having a wider variety in the degree of XXX content. I would not go so far as wanting to split the XXX cards into two or more categories but do think that more information could be made available before purchase of a card as to the types of clips and the number of each type that it provides, Currently there is an icon showing the maximum hotness level, this could be supplemented with a pop up summary of the clip types, the pop up could be on the hotness level icon or on the card or on the girls image on a carousel. I would also be in favour of spliting the X-rated hotness level, but its probably too late to consider that because it would require recategorising a lot of clips if you want to keep things consistant.

@TheEmu agree statistically these polls need way larger sample pools & numbers of unique posts to show signifigance.

About this poll:

A few years back, there was quite a bit of ***** of polls... Not by Totem, but by certain members.
I think it was back in the days when a member could get a free card just for installing the software & some members
had many many multiple accounts under different names. I don't know if Totem since put a check in the software to counter this.

The % result of voting in this poll hasn't changed much from day one, as approx 500 votes were very quickly placed at 71% favouring the New format xxx. For a poll conducted over a weekend you would think we would be seeing all the USA member & other voting continuing to flow in, but where is it ? It sits at 29% to 71% from the start.
Only Totem know who voted and whether there is more than one model in the accounts that did vote. Perhaps if such polls were conducted instead in a >'Silver or more' only thread, the results may be albeit smaller but more accurate.

For those who do not understand by what I and EverthangForever mean by the lack of statistical significance when there are relatively few votes or comments. Consider the case where there are 25 votes for a proposal and 20 against. When counting independant events, such as the votes for the proposal, the measure of uncertainty in the number is equal to its square root and variations of up to rather more than one standard deviation are expected if you repeat the experiment. A 25/20 split is quite consistant with a true ratio of 20/20 or even 20/25 if the same poll was repeated with a different random selection of voters taking part. To be fair, it is also consistant with a true ratio of 30/20 or 30/15. The only way to reduce the uncertainty is to increase the number of voters, in this case by a factor of 10 or more before you could place any sort of reliance on the result.

@TheEmu, all I am saying is there is a case for restricting such voting to members with at least 2 cards,
Otherwise the poll results for 600 odd votes could be spurious. At the moment it does appear to be a
statistically significant outcome in favor of the 'New' istripperxxx format even with these numbers.
However that assumes Totem have put checks in place to prevent multiple voting or voting by 22 million
freebie card individuals.

@EverthangForever - OK. I see your point about "freebie card individuals". I think that Totem have done something about multiple voting because of the red tick showing where I voted and the fact that I no longer am offered a chance to vote (unless that just means the poll is no longer active). I am always loathe to restrict voting to any subgroup because the subject of the poll may affect some of those outside the "interrested" subgroup in ways that the proposer of the limitation has not thought of, but I do accept that voting rights in any iStripper poll should probably only come after some minimum number of purchases - as long as its a small number.