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well i'm lockout again . I only play the triple chance game.on dec 11th. have fun everyone.

@dolphins109 Hi, can't you play The twenty Five game ?

ok maybe i spoke to quickly. I can play the 25 but it be for fun. i all ready have 3 jokers and i won LC SEC and i have the calendar and i own all my shows. so there is nothing for me to play for. i rather use the cedits that i have and invest them in future shows. i'm not disappointed i had lots of fun and i wish everyone best of luck and good times. 👍👍👍

@dolphins109 you get 15cr if you win a free card but have all of them :)

1. I did not enjoy the Black Friday Event. Do Not Presume.

2. It is still Autumn not Winter.

3. Sale - Offering of goods at reduced prices for a period. I see no evidence of reduced prices.

PS. BAH HUMBUG

😄😄@MrRee, nous dirons donc; ventes de fin d'Automne👌😀😀
😄😄 @MrRee, so we'll say; end of fall sales👌😀😀

Did anyone else see "Winter sale" & think and there'd be actual sales? 😂
I see @MrRee also noticed a slight discrepency... 😜

Est-ce que quelqu'un d'autre a lu "Winter sale" et a pensé qu'il y avait réellement des soldes ? 😂
Je vois que @MrRee a aussi remarqué un léger décalage... 😜

2. It is still Autumn not Winter.

It depends which definition of Winter you use. According to Wikipedia

Winter is often defined by meteorologists to be the three calendar months with the lowest average temperatures. This corresponds to the months of December, January and February in the Northern Hemisphere, and June, July and August in the Southern Hemisphere.

and this seems to be close to how most Europeans think of it. Other regions jave different traditions - the same Wikipedia article mentions that in China Winter is traditionally regarded as starting in early November.

The alternative, Astronimical Winter, has the counter intuitive property of begining on mid-winter's day.

I have noticed another discrepancy.

In this weeks istripper newsletter it states about the Advent Calendar

It contains:
all the shows released in December that you get 1 day in advance,

Except as we all know it does not contain the show released on the 1st December nor the shows released after 25th December

@dolphins109 said

ok maybe i spoke to quickly. I can play the 25 but it be for fun. i all ready have 3 jokers and i won LC SEC and i have the calendar and i own all my shows. so there is nothing for me to play for. i rather use the cedits that i have and invest them in future shows. i'm not disappointed i had lots of fun and i wish everyone best of luck and good times.

This week I can play the 25 game, unlike last week whem I was locked out by having a full collection. So far I have found it almost impossible to lose when playing this game. Most of the time I get my 15 credits back and have won a few 35 credit prizes, two or three 150 credit prizes, and 7 gift cards. In effect I have 7 gift cards for a total cost of 5 credits, less than a credit a card.

The experience will of course differ depending on how many cards you own, how much you have to normally pay for a card and how you regard randomly chosen free cards.

@TheEmu
Ne possédant pas toutes les cartes, je peux vous dire qu'il est possible de perdre à ce jeu 😪
Not having all the cards, I can tell you that it is possible to lose in this game 😪

@TheEmu I'm glad for you at least some of us are lucky. ✌
Would you mind posting your stats just so we have an idea?

I didn't play this time, because last time my results were awful:

• played 110 times so 1,650 credits spent
• 78 times "won" something, so 32 losing tickets (so 71% chance of getting something)
• got 15 credits back 32 times (29% chance)
• won 35 credits 9 times (8% chance)
• won 9 gift cards (8%)
• got 27 random cards (24.5% chance) ; 12 VirtuaGirl, 1 DeskBabes, 13 Istripper & 1 Istripper X
• got 1 SEC (0.9% chance)

And no joker nor 150 credit win (less than 0.9% chance then)

Net loss: 1,035 credits for 28 random cards, 1 SEC & 9 gift cards. It's even worse than my first calculations.

I think from what you're saying @TheEmu chances are probably higher for gift cards/150 credit when you have a full collection. As for other triple diamond members, seems like the odds are particularly unfavourable.

Anybody else wanna bring in their stats?

@Philours avez-vous calculé vos stats ? Est-ce que ça correspond à peu près à celles que j'ai postées ?

1. I did not enjoy the Black Friday Event. Do Not Presume.2. It is still Autumn not Winter.3. Sale - Offering of goods at reduced prices for a period. I see no evidence of reduced prices.PS. BAH HUMBUG

I agree in 100 %. Black Friday brought hundreds or maybe thousands of problems with lost credits and then waiting for their return ... A technical failure and it cannot be hidden. There were no compensations for stressful situations ... Winter sale was really not interesting, especially for those who have all the cards ... And I agree that winter, both in terms of the calendar and in recent years, also noticeably begins after Christmas, and in December you often have to use artificial snow on the ski slopes and jumps

Salut @arise 77
Je possède effectivement mes stats sur papier. Je pourrais les publier, mais pour cela je dois remettre de l'ordre dans tout ce calcul.
Car j'ai joué en plusieurs épisodes, avec des achats réguliers venant s'y intercaler. Ainsi que des recharges de crédits. Il y a eu des hauts et des bas. Mais une carte reçue, n'est pas vraiment une victoire puisqu'elle vous coute 15 Cr.
Si j'ai le courage de le faire, je le ferai. Je vous dis cela car j'ai joué 520 x. Le travail "stats" pourrait dès lors être intéressant mais fastidieux. 😕😟😟😟😟
J'ai d'ailleurs quelques cartes - cadeau a vendre. Si cela intéresse quelqu'un ; faire offre 😀😀😀

So no promos for me for the next few weeks.

Totem can be forgiven for calling these gambling games a sale....which they clearly are not....English is not their first language.

Sorry @arise77 but I was not counting the number times I played. When I made my earlier post I estimate that I had played about 100 times, probably a few less than that. Since then I have played some more bringing the estimated total up to somewhere between 130 and 150 times.

I now am down by a further of 100 credits but have 3 more gift cards and a joker.

So, in all, 10 gift cards and a Joker cost me 105 credits. Even if I use those gift cards to buy cards that I would otherwise get at the cheapest rate available to me, i.e. 11 credits, they alone are worth slightly more than it cost to win them - and I won a Joker as well so I am very satified with the result. However, I will save the gift cards for the rarer more expensive cards to get an even better final outcome.

@Philours Je pense que même sans rentrer dans les détails, vous pouvez observer "en gros" les résultats : 30% de jeux perdants, on récupère environ 1/3 de sa mise totale, on reçoit une carte aléatoire environ tous les 4 jeux et une gift card tous les 12 jeux.
Après pour ce qui est des jokers et/ou des cartes spéciales, je pense que les comptes sont vite faits... 😀
C'est comme vous voulez, si vous avez la patience et l'envie de publier vos stats. Pour ma part, ça permet déjà de réaliser que ce jeu n'est pas fait pour moi ! 😄

Si vous êtes prêt à mettre ce genre de sommes et prévoyez d'avoir toutes les cartes, je vous conseillerais plutôt d'acheter les packs progressifs, les cartes aléatoires vous reviendront beaucoup moins cher. Une fois que vous aurez une collection complète ou quasi complète (-30/45 jours), vous aurez surement les mêmes chances que TheEmu.

Je ne suis pas forcément un très bon exemple à suivre, car je dis souvent que ce type de jeux n'est pas valable pour nous, mais il m'arrive quand même d'y jouer. Mon conseil raisonné serait de ne pas jouer du tout, afin de ne pas encourager ces pratiques. Après, il faut s'y tenir... 😉

@TallandSlimMan Sale can translate into "vente" or "soldes"; vente just means the act of selling & soldes are like sales, in the sense something sold cheaper. But you're right, since English isn't their first language, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. 😀

@TheEmu Thanks for the detailed explanation, no worries if you don't wanna go through all the stats, this is already helpful. 👌
It's interesting to notice there is already a major difference in wins between maxed-out members and other triple diamond members:

• when investing around 2,000 credits, you get almost 95% of it back
• other 3D members only get about 70% of it back (counting random cards and credit wins)

I'm guessing if you already have all available cards and SECs, then the server awards 15, 35, 150 credits, gift cards and jokers more often. And since you get about as many gift cards as other 3D members and only one joker, that means you get many 150 credit wins.
I also suppose 150 credit wins are limited for all participants, so if maxed-out members get most of them, that would explain why other members get so few if any.

I'd be curious to see if this is confirmed by members with different levels.

Si je compte bien @arise77, cela vous fait un joker pour un peu moins de 400 cr.
Est-ce vraiment beaucoup plus que pour d'autres jeux?

@arise77 - an important consideration with respect to these statistics is that if I had won just one fewer 150 credit prize then the overall outcome would look very different. Because 150 credit prizes are quite rare there is a large uncertainty on any estimate made of their frequency which in turn feeds through into an uncertainty as to the long term rate of return or loss for this game. The same is true of the Joker prizes, but the other prizes occur often enough that the uncertainty in the probability of winning them is much lower.

Ce sont justement ces 3 gains qui sont intéressants (Jokers, SEC et 150 cr) pour nous. Puisque nous perdons sur chaque carte reçues.
Pour de nouveaux membres, les cartes et les gifts sont de bonnes choses .
Et si vous aviez gagnés 2 jokers @arise77 ?

@Arise

You are only using a small sample for your prediction.

Like @TheEmu I have a maxed out collection and couldn't play the 25 game during the Black Friday events.

I don't know how many times I have played since it became available but at the moment I am down by a net 235 credits and only have 5 gift cards to show for it and no jokers. I had numerous 15 credit wins (some of which were awarded for a "free card") and a few 35 credit wins. 5 gift gards at a net cost of 235 credits makes them a cost of 47 credits each. As I typically pay 11 credits for a card it is hardly the better outcome that you predict for maxed out members.

Typically when I play games to obtain a SEC or a Joker they cost me around 250 credits. So again it isn't rosy for all maxed out members.

Still Totem's strategy is working and I have no real objections. Up until the intoduction of the games there was no way they could get maxed out members like me to spend any more credits than those spent for new shows.

@Philours Non, justement je n'ai obtenu ni joker ni de gain de 150 crédits sur 110 jeux / 1650 crédits. Le seul gain un peu spécial était une carte spéciale.

@TheEmu right, I agree. We're probably on both ends of the odds scale. Both our stats could have been altered if you had only one less 150 credit win and if I had won at least one; but I think it's safe to say playing over 100 times is a good sample. Even though they are quite rare, you must have won 150 credits several times. Or maybe you won more 35 credit prizes.
I also found it quite surprising that I didn't get a 150 credit win even once.

I think that for maxed-out members, since there are already 2 prizes left out (random cards & SECs) and the server has less to choose from, credits are awarded for example rather than a joker card.

It would be interesting to see what other members experienced.

@Number6 Yes, I was just guessing. Thanks for adding your results, so it's probably not worth it for maxed-out members after all.
It would be interesting to know roughly how many times you played.

@arise77
Oui 1 SEC, pardon, mais c'est presque la même chose
Je n'ai pas reçu de 150 cr dans mes 200 premiers essais non plus 😖
Ensuite il y a eu le calendrier et l'on a appris que les cartes xxx n'étaient pas disponibles pour le jeu jusqu'au dernier jour où elles ont été remises en jeu. Les SEC sont souvent xxx, je laisse cela a votre analyse 😉😕😕😲
"Donc" la deuxieme semaine où j'ai joué le + , ni sec ni jokers pour moi ???
Et bien sur le facteur chance 😉

Ce sont justement ces 3 gains qui sont intéressants (Jokers, SEC et 150 cr) pour nous. Puisque nous perdons sur chaque carte reçues.
Pour de nouveaux membres, les cartes et les gifts sont de bonnes choses .
Et si vous aviez gagnés 2 jokers @arise77 ?

@Philours Oui justement, j'imagine que ça peut être avantageux pour les nouveaux membres. Je parlais surtout pour nous en tant que membres triple diamond, je pense que ça ne vaut pas le coup.
Si j'avais gagné des jokers, oui ça aurait certainement rendu le jeu un peu plus satisfaisant, mais j'ai l'impression que c'est le gain le plus difficile à obtenir.