The legality of using games of chance to take money from people while there is chance you do not offer a service is still in question.

I too don't like exclusive cards nor gamble games at all, but also have to say that such one is, a time more, not a right argument. Gamble on Istripper is not a money gamble, it's a mere credit gamble - and credits don't have any monetary value.
We don't purchase gamble plays - neither cards - with money here. Only thing we purchase with money on Istripper are credits, which have no real value, are not money and are not convertible back into money. Everything we then do with our credits is, economically speaking, totally fictional.

Moreover, we can dislike gambling games, we can ***** about existance here or frequence of gambling events (and I do), but it has to be pointed, also, that we totally know in advance what gambling is: a game of chance; so we will not be EVER be sure to win, even spending tons of credits. We know it: if one likes, he plays anyway - if he doesn't, then he should simply not play.
I find it's not right instead to gamble, and then ***** after not having won anything and because of that - which was precisely the nature of gambling. We knew it in advance.

Another 60 credits spent. 15 more scratches, 2 useless cards but SEC No safe word. Stop now

It seems fine to me.
120 credits spent, 25 scratches, 8 cards got(2 XXX, 1 appreciated, 3 so so) + Hard Candy.

The legality of using games of chance to take money from people while there is chance you do not offer a service is still in question.I too don't like exclusive cards nor gamble games at all, but also have to say that such one is, a time more, not a right argument. Gamble on Istripper is not a money gamble, it's a mere credit gamble - and credits don't have any monetary value.
We don't purchase gamble plays - neither cards - with money here. Only thing we purchase with money on Istripper are credits, which have no real value, are not money and are not convertible back into money. Everything we then do with our credits is, economically speaking, totally fictional.

Moreover, we can dislike gambling games, we can ***** about existance here or frequence of gambling events (and I do), but it has to be pointed, also, that we totally know in advance what gambling is: a game of chance; so we will not be EVER be sure to win, even spending tons of credits. We know it: if one likes, he plays anyway - if he doesn't, then he should simply not play.
I find it's not right instead to gamble, and then ***** after not having won anything and because of that - which was precisely the nature of gambling. We knew it in advance.

Casinos can use "credits" as well. You can load "credits" on a card and then use the card to play different electronic slots and other games...these are some of the most nefarious games because the games can be manipulated real-time using algorithims. Totem obviously changes its games mid-week, often for the better but they still update them. The point is the games promise a service, but because of the randomness, do not always provide the promised service. ***** dealers, doctors, con-artists get in trouble for taking advantage of a sub-set of society who are vulnerable to making poor decisions. There is a ton of science behind the addiction associate with gambling and there is a fine line between obsessive collecting and collecting for fun. I have often had derision for people who ***** about losing at gambling, I do not gamble, but totem is not right in this...there is a whole lot of wrong. The company is wrong for putting its customers in this position, and the vulnerable customers are wrong for continually overpaying to merely fill a collection or a set. Why the heck can't totem just provide amazing girls...have a scratch game or two where new customers can win discounts to build up their accounts. Why do we need "not special event cards" that put full collectors in a vulnerable position, and why do we need games that are setup for people to only lose?

I am looking forward to the next time. Since the SECs have been coming in monthly rhythm for six months and certainly now, at least in the same rhythm, in addition to gambling, especially among collector customers, dissatisfaction will remain an ongoing topic here in the forum. Congratulations on this step, totem ....
... satisfaction among all customers is quite feasible, there have been plenty of suggestions in recent months.

Gamble on Istripper is not a money gamble, it's a mere credit gamble - and credits don't have any monetary value.

Can anyone give me the credit source? So I silly have always had to spend real money on it. 😲

Casinos can use "credits" as well.

Can anyone give me the credit source?

Casinos can use credits or chips for the sake of ease and convenience, but, after winnings, such things can be changed back into real money; so, it's a money gamble. Istripper credits can not and never be changed into money, so it's a totally different matter. Gamble with them is not a money gamble.

The point is the games promise a service, but because of the randomness, do not always provide the promised service.

Gamble games never promise anything, their nature is to be mere chance. So you know in advance you may not and never be sure to win anything. I don't like it, and I simply don't play gamble games.
We can ***** about presence and frequency of gamble games here, but not because we didn't won anything at a gamble game, precise nature of which being a total uncertainity.

Totem obviously changes its games mid-week, often for the better but they still update them.

This, instead, is a good point. If - as it seems it was done - they did change odds for better ones after complaints, this would be unfair to people who did play same game for worse odds before the change.

It is the randomness that makes it "suspect". If totem said straight out...a special event card will cost you at most 1000 credits, but...every time you scratch a ticket you have a 0.01% chance of winning a joker then totem would seem really greedy but would be transparent. The fact that you might have a 0.01% chance of winning but may have to spend 5000 credits and still not win is what makes it border illegal. In theory you could have such bad luck that you never win.

In theory you could have such bad luck that you never win.

@orclover - it is a gamble, and we all know that it is a gamble. By its very nature you can never be sure that gambling any amount of money will result in a getting what you are gambling for, be it a thousand, ten thousand, one million or even a billion credits,

It is not at all suspect (by which I assume you mean to imply that there is some sort of deception involved), though we may find it distasteful and some may have strong moral objections, but neither make it "suspect".

By its very nature you can never be sure that gambling any amount of money will result in a getting what you are gambling for, be it a thousand, ten thousand, one million or even a billion credits,

In any case I would like to point that I don't think odds to be fraudolent: at the times I did play at some Totem's gambling game (now I don't anymore), if I started to spend big amonuts of credits I usually did won at least one SEC.

Hello, everybody,

i'm a disappointment in the scratch game.
I would have liked to win the special event card.
But after almost 50 buys I gave up.
I now have 10 more cards that I didn't want and won 5 times 20 credits.
This is too little incentive for me to play in the future.
😕👎

In theory you could have such bad luck that you never win.
@orclover - it is a gamble, and we all know that it is a gamble. By its very nature you can never be sure that gambling any amount of money will result in a getting what you are gambling for, be it a thousand, ten thousand, one million or even a billion credits,

It is not at all suspect (by which I assume you mean to imply that there is some sort of deception involved), though we may find it distasteful and some may have strong moral objections, but neither make it "suspect".

Lol, if we all knew what a gamble is...nobody would do it. Games of chance are set by the house to benefit the house in the long run, and always screw the player in the long run. Games of chance also release dopamine and create an addictive cycle while the house screws you over just enough that they win but you don't quit. The math is very clear, and has been worked out by some of the smartest minds on the planet earth. This gets us into some very philosophical territory. Should a person be allowed to be an *****, to experience the initial pleasure of addiction, and then face the terrible consequences without assistance? Or should we rid our society of ***** and addictive interactions to protect vulnerable people? I error on the side of giving choice but I also believe that we should have judgement while allowing choice. I judge that totem is wrong in doing this, that they have made a conscious decision to take advantage of vulnerable adults in order to improve profits, but I also benefit from their extra income and therefore am a party to the wrong. If you can't live with that reality and have to justify it another way then so be it.

@orclover

I pretty well agree with all that you have said in your last post. If you had said that instead of firstly calling Totem's games scams and then as "suspect" (with no qualification - "morally suspect" I would have accepted) then I would have had no comment to make. It really does help to say what you mean when you criticise something.

With regard to gambling in general, people can know what a gamble is without fully understanding the implications of gambling - in particular how probablility works. This, unfortunately, leads them to believe many false things (like runs of luck). As you say it took some of the smartest minds - specifically Blaise Pascal - to understand probability.

Well i bought 500 credits, bought many scratch cards, got many card (including the christmas special card) and 100 credits 6 times. Epic Win for me.

@orclover

I pretty well agree with all that you have said in your last post. If you had said that instead of firstly calling Totem's games scams and then as "suspect" (with no qualification - "morally suspect" I would have accepted) then I would have had no comment to make. It really does help to say what you mean when you criticise something.

With regard to gambling in general, people can know what a gamble is without fully understanding the implications of gambling - in particular how probablility works. This, unfortunately, leads them to believe many false things (like runs of luck). As you say it took some of the smartest minds - specifically Blaise Pascal - to understand probability.

Speaking of scam, suspect...these are somewhat legal terms. The rule of law is arbitrary in many cases. For example, right now there are many thousands of people illegally downloading media, a few of them will get cease and desist letters, and a very tiny minority will ever get prosecuted. But they are all doing something illegal. Have software companies been sued for lootboxing and games of chance? Yes, ironically EA is being sued IN FRANCE by two separate entities for gambling in FIFA...which I believe involves their algorithms that change real-time to encourage more gambling and attracts ***** participants. Totem seems smart enough to cease and desist any illegal action once it becomes precedent but their current gambling system is likely in a similar category as the ones being tried in court. You cannot rely on the fact they aren't being prosecuted so they aren't doing anything illegal or scammy. If scammy, they aren't uniquely scammy, they just picked up the tools of other companies. Once again, I would be a little sad if they had to stop this easy flow of money because it honestly only makes my life better..my favorite product has more money and is more financially secure. But it doesn't make it morally good or legal.

@Orclover - even if it turns out that the iStripper gambling is illegal because of the laws against lootboxes or some other reason that does not affect whether or not they are scams (which are types of fraud) which would be covered by different laws. Something can be illegal without being a scam or without being desceptive.

i like the candy scratcher..more fun than just buying a card..and usally come up even or get 2 cards got 200 and 100 few tmes and cool to win cards not know what your gonna get ...

Well i bought 500 credits, bought many scratch cards, got many card (including the christmas special card) and 100 credits 6 times. Epic Win for me.

Played more today, lost like 200 credits winning nothing, then won 2 special event cards in a single row. and recovered 100. I'm damn lucky. There's no scam thats totally about luck, won 3 special event shows scratching those card.

Well i bought 500 credits, bought many scratch cards, got many card (including the christmas special card) and 100 credits 6 times. Epic Win for me.Played more today, lost like 200 credits winning nothing, then won 2 special event cards in a single row. and recovered 100. I'm damn lucky. There's no scam thats totally about luck, won 3 special event shows scratching those card.

As @Kocheu has said - it is all about luck.

Each day I have set myself a limit (100 credits - around $10) and gone in for a bit of fun. End result - I've not had a sniff of an SEC but I'm not chasing them so no matter. Instead I have won 46 cards fora total outlay of 160 credits - a pretty good rate of return. And out of those there are only a couple that I couldn't crack one off over!

So I now have a fantastic stock of girls to watch while I am stuck at home for the next 12 weeks.

And the cherry on the top - today we got Belka. 😛😛😛

Totally f&cked over on this promotion. Got the SEC, but drained over 1000 credits from my account. Not happy at all.

just now I noticed something...
At the second try if I am correct I got the Handy Candy show..
I only missed it and because off that I spent way more credits then needed..

And the cherry on the top - today we got Belka. 😛😛😛

Yes, please enjoy the card, as her next card will probably be next month's "SEC" 😕

Interesting twist - while a Stacy Cruz is trapped behind this game, today's release is a XXX from Stacy Cruz called "Are We Alone".

Interesting twist - while a Stacy Cruz is trapped behind this game, today's release is a XXX from Stacy Cruz called "Are We Alone".

Not too surprising........last month, Eva Elfie was put behind the paywall, her next card was released 6 days later.

Are We Alone

Matching to the actual Situation. I wonder the Team chooses another Title before and changed it in fact of the Situation.