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Totem, put more effort into casting please.

  Forum / Wszystko o iStripper

orclover
Dołączył: Jun 2012

744 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
I normally do not ***** about casting because I know there are challenges and limitations to getting the best girls to sign up for totem. But I just realized that some of America's top pornstars visited paris since November and there wasn't even a sniff from totem in try to get them. I just found that Lana Rhoades shot for dorcel, why wasn't she casted for istripper? You didn't need to pay for a plane ticket, they were minutes away from your studio, and her friends have shot for istripper in the past. Daisy Stone shot for Woodman early last month? Instead we are getting 8 ukrainian girls for every 1 non-ukrainian girls, and American pornstars are walking minutes away from your studio and not getting casted. I know if you prioritized more diversity it would happen.
91hebasu
Dołączył: Jan 2008

1144 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
You're being ridiculous

Totem is somehow obligated to hunt down and ***** every girl YOU want cast into their studio ???
If a girl YOU want cast is somewhere near by, Totem absolutely has to ***** her into the studio ???

Girls traveling to Paris couldn't possibly have their visit booked up already before going !
They Must have an extra two or three days to make the Mandatory booking at Totem !

You're right, there's an anti-talent and anti-diversity conspiracy going on !
MUST be ! It's the Only answer !

You're not entirely being honest either. You seem to ***** quite often about casting. Usually about Ukrainian girls.
You seem to display a good bit of dislike, if not *****, for Ukrainian girls. With the exception of two or three, give or take.

It's a cycle with you........over and over
pumpdude48
Dołączył: May 2016

390 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
@Orclover

When you read this please understand that I am NOT trying to be facetious/flippant

Not disputing your (our) desire for more North American girls at all but just being curious: Unless Totem has someone dedicated to continuously surfing hundreds of girls facebook/twitter/whatever social media accounts, how is Totem supposed to know about these girls being close by with enough time to do the negotiations/paperwork involved to get them casted? Keeping in mind that the one theme that stands out in a situation like this is the fact that Totem have a small staff which are kept quite busy doing what they do already. Is there some sort of national porn star scheduling register that Totem could subscribe to?

It seems to me, in these cases, we are most always hearing about the girl who "was" there a few weeks ago and not much about the girl who "will" be there in a few weeks or a month with time to get her scheduled and before she gets the plane ticket to allow her enough time to do everything she would need to do to visit us along with wherever else she was appearing. I do seem to remember that you suggested a couple of girls awhile back that were planning to be in the europe area and I don't know if anything ever came of that or not.

We hear alot about how much it costs to get the girls from the states over to Paris yet you alude to the fact that "she was here already" which begs the question: who paid for her to be here and if it was the companies she was modeling for, would they be willing to allow her extra time in country with Totem without compensation? I rather doubt that the other companies who laid out the bucks for her to be here would be so generous with the "competition". Might there be exclusive contracts to discourage that sort of thing from happening?

Also I rather suspect that North American girls are just plain "more expensive" no matter if they are in town or accross the ocean and the airfare/hotel/perdiem is merely a small part of why we don't see more North American girls here.

I'm not at all trying to be derogatory or confrontational as I would like to see some of those girls here myself, I ask these questions more out of ignorance as to how this all works more than anything.
muttonjeff
Dołączył: Nov 2008

815 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
I normally do not ***** about casting
LMFAO😆
orclover
Dołączył: Jun 2012

744 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
@Orclover

When you read this please understand that I am NOT trying to be facetious/flippant

Not disputing your (our) desire for more North American girls at all but just being curious: Unless Totem has someone dedicated to continuously surfing hundreds of girls facebook/twitter/whatever social media accounts, how is Totem supposed to know about these girls being close by with enough time to do the negotiations/paperwork involved to get them casted? Keeping in mind that the one theme that stands out in a situation like this is the fact that Totem have a small staff which are kept quite busy doing what they do already. Is there some sort of national porn star scheduling register that Totem could subscribe to?

It seems to me, in these cases, we are most always hearing about the girl who "was" there a few weeks ago and not much about the girl who "will" be there in a few weeks or a month with time to get her scheduled and before she gets the plane ticket to allow her enough time to do everything she would need to do to visit us along with wherever else she was appearing. I do seem to remember that you suggested a couple of girls awhile back that were planning to be in the europe area and I don't know if anything ever came of that or not.

We hear alot about how much it costs to get the girls from the states over to Paris yet you alude to the fact that "she was here already" which begs the question: who paid for her to be here and if it was the companies she was modeling for, would they be willing to allow her extra time in country with Totem without compensation? I rather doubt that the other companies who laid out the bucks for her to be here would be so generous with the "competition". Might there be exclusive contracts to discourage that sort of thing from happening?

Also I rather suspect that North American girls are just plain "more expensive" no matter if they are in town or accross the ocean and the airfare/hotel/perdiem is merely a small part of why we don't see more North American girls here.

I'm not at all trying to be derogatory or confrontational as I would like to see some of those girls here myself, I ask these questions more out of ignorance as to how this all works more than anything.

I knew that this would be the response from many on here. American girls aren't too expensive, they shoot for woodmen and dorcel...totem CAN and has matched those companies in pay, especially for non-hardcore work. I can't believe that customers continue to make excuses for the company that they pay thousands of dollars to...its not like having 3 or 4 american girls a year is going really cut in on the 60 girls from Ukraine. You guys are admitting that totem creates a lower quality product than they could because it is "cheaper" for them, yet they do not lower their prices other than to offer the same demos coming from a broken demo system. They literally work in the same city as dorcel, and have partnered on projects before. You are saying that they couldn't ask dorcel to send an email when an american is visiting their studio? What a bunch of BS...this is why the product has weakened...people will buy the same looking girls from the same country, which ***** sales in the long run because no new customers are going to get excited about no-name girls from kiev, and no new customer is going to invest in the product when the girls all look the same, and they can't imagine getting a different type of girl. The quality of clips has dropped as well, with poor AA and color and nobody on here says a peep. We are too afraid of losing the product to allow it get better. Well, if the product is going to be 70 girls a year from Kiev, and 10 from the rest of europe, is it really that big of a loss? When a customer asks totem to shoot the top american stars, who happen to be in Paris, shooting for companies that sometimes pay less than totem, the answer should be YES!!!!...Just for the future health of the product.
orclover
Dołączył: Jun 2012

744 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
I normally do not ***** about castingLMFAO😆

Most of my complaints revolve around idiot customers, not totem...at least 5 times in the last year I wrote posts supporting totem in their casting efforts, pointing out their difficulties and challenges to new customers. Letting top pornstars, some of the most popular woman in the world, work merely minutes away from your studio and not getting them in is unexcusable. Honestly I think Rex is happy with Kievstripper at the moment, a really shortsighted decision considering that the pornhub and webcamming has destroyed most of the porn market...which is why american girls are flying to europe to get work...especially when they work for trash like woodman, who pays nothing. Oh, well...I though totem casted well through december, then ran out of talented girls in europe, and they are falling back on the Kiev connected for unknowns. I know if they put the same amount of effort into casting that they put into hentai marketing campaigns they would have better girls.
Nebal
Dołączył: Feb 2015

227 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
I too miss the American girls, theres so many smokin' hot American pornstars too. Oh well, sexy girls are all sexy i guess, regardless of where they were born. I would love to see Riley Reid on here for starters.
zzmaskers
Dołączył: Mar 2011

608 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
@orclover
Oh, well...I though totem casted well through december, then ran out of talented girls in europe, and they are falling back on the Kiev connected for unknowns.
I didn't know those two models Daisy Stone and Lana Rhoades. So I went to the freeones and I was surprised by what I saw:
https://www.freeones.nl/html/l_links/Lana_Rhoades/links/
Both models look good, but there was an advertisement at the side: Make your Super Bowl Day sexier with picture of Gulia and a direct link to the iStripperwebsite. I think that in January most of Totem's attention went to the preparation of this special card and show plus Super Bowl Packs and advertising, of course to attract more American customers, because here in Europe we don't have that much with Super Bowl Day. We are more in soccer/football. The American market is still the most important one for Totem. Looking at the nationality of people posting something in the Forum I came to that conclusion.
I see that Totem does it's very best to serve all it's customers. We saw that in december 2017 like you stated. Customers, who want a curvy model, was a priority (next to the Super Bowl Day action). So they did a casting poll of Katrina Moreno to be sure there was enough interest. More than 1.600 votes whereoff 69% for. That was enough base for inviting her to the studio and she was there last Thursday and Friday. Like we know with the Celeste cards (4 of 6 published) Totem can not afford two days with nearly no income. I wonder if they ever be published. Maybe in a weeekend as one of the three cards.
It's already a great miracle that Totem has survived all the changes and developments in porno-industry. The margins are small. Maybe in March I'm going to study the annual report again. A year ago I have found that on a French site. Totem is obliged to publish the financial results.

So with the American models, who are for work in Paris, Totem wants to know via a voting poll or there is enough interest.
At least a month before the American model would be in Paris for Dorcell, 21Sextury or Woodman, the voting poll must be done. In my opinion it's not that easy to adjust everything to one another: contact with model, agency, Dorcell etc., voting poll, appointments, Totem studio.
I had liked to see Sydney Cole. I feel something for her, but for others with the tattoo's on the backside of her thighs, she will probably not pass the voting poll, if she would ever be invited. But I have peace with that.
Good weekend!👍
2995plusTax
Dołączył: Aug 2017

8 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
I've only been a member for about 6 months, and I see a lot of guys/(gals?) on here that have been members for years with collections of 1,500 to 2,500 girls. And some with even more. So I know that my experience is a bit limited with only my 6 months and 160 some women.

But I've seen a good bit of variety on here in the models. And even if there was little to know variety, and all models came from the same country, then I really don't think I would mind.
I'm not trying to be smart or obnoxious, and I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with the OP. I just do not understand what the big deal is.

As long as the woman is beautiful and can move, then I'm happy. I don't care where she is from, what color she is, how old she is, or how much she weighs. As long as she's a sexy woman with a hot body and can move, then I'm a satisfied customer. Personally, I prefer the ones that dance/move fast with a lot of booty shaking, hip thrusting, tit bouncing and hair whipping in their shows, however, I also like variety, so the slow, sensual movers are fine as well.
Khan91
Dołączył: Aug 2016

118 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
They missed an opportunity to cast Lana Rhoades? Damn that sucks. She'd be an instant buy for me.
orclover
Dołączył: Jun 2012

744 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018 (edited)
You're being ridiculous

Totem is somehow obligated to hunt down and ***** every girl YOU want cast into their studio ???
If a girl YOU want cast is somewhere near by, Totem absolutely has to ***** her into the studio ???

Girls traveling to Paris couldn't possibly have their visit booked up already before going !
They Must have an extra two or three days to make the Mandatory booking at Totem !

You're right, there's an anti-talent and anti-diversity conspiracy going on !
MUST be ! It's the Only answer !

You're not entirely being honest either. You seem to ***** quite often about casting. Usually about Ukrainian girls.
You seem to display a good bit of dislike, if not *****, for Ukrainian girls. With the exception of two or three, give or take.

It's a cycle with you........over and over

No I said their casting is not putting in enough effort. They recruit 70% of their girls from the same agency in the same city, there are 10 starlets in America worth tracking, they could simply contact their agents, ask if they are visiting Paris in 2018 and set up a day. That takes effort, maybe as much as building a UI for a gambling machine, or doing a duo marketing campaign with a hentai site, or as much as building a clothed dancing program that is quickly scrapped. And don't act like me wanting 2-3 American starlets a year is ridiculous when 70% of the girls have the same body type, same hair color, dance exactly the same, and come from the same city in the same country. It is ridiculous that the few whales that like the Ukrainian explosion are going to dictate the future of a product that could explode positively if they expanded just a bit. Maybe they commit to hiring a few american girls that visit Paris, then they could put Lana Rhoades face on the front page of the website like Mia Malkova, and act that it reaches a larger fan base.
SpaveInvader
Dołączył: Oct 2010

919 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
@orclover,
i'm not sure if you're not willing or if you're unable to understand.
when a north american model/pornstar come to europe for a shoot they have fix tight time schedule.
you really think they have 2-3 day extra time for making a shoot for iStripper?
and another point, maybe some of them have no interest in doing the stripper stuff that iStripper presents.

you can dream, that is your good given right. but the reality is much harder to handle.....
orclover
Dołączył: Jun 2012

744 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
You don't understand, I am saying the studio should have contacted them before they left, and made time. Contact their agent. Will Lana be visiting Paris in 2018, we would love to have her come in? Sure lets fit her in for a day. Done. Put in more effort please is my thesis, they should feel like they missed an opportunity if they find out a starlet was blocks away.
Wuzthis
Dołączył: Oct 2012

91 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018 (edited)
casted

Cast.

You're being ridiculous

Ouch.

I agree that model diversity is a bit lacking, and some of the cards I previewed had noticable anti aliasing issues but...

its not like having 3 or 4 american girls a year

Judging by the responses, I'm getting this feeling that this is simply you saying something and not actually what you mean.

Might there be exclusive contracts to discourage that sort of thing from happening?

I gotta ask: how much of the post did you read? Because you don't make any counter arguments nor reference to the above quote.

There's a reason why contracts exist. Contracts probably have a significant contribution to the concerns of diversity that you've brought up several times.
Competitive companies use contracts for a reason. You ask yourself if you'd pay extra to a model to have her hang around an extra few days just for competition to have their moment. Let us know how you feel about that...

revolve around idiot customers

Relax...

I don't actually even know why I'm typing this out... probably talking to my monitor.
orclover
Dołączył: Jun 2012

744 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
casted
Cast.

You're being ridiculous
Ouch.

I agree that model diversity is a bit lacking, and some of the cards I previewed had noticable anti aliasing issues but...

its not like having 3 or 4 american girls a year
Judging by the responses, I'm getting this feeling that this is simply you saying something and not actually what you mean.

Might there be exclusive contracts to discourage that sort of thing from happening?
I gotta ask: how much of the post did you read? Because you don't make any counter arguments nor reference to the above quote.

There's a reason why contracts exist. Contracts probably have a significant contribution to the concerns of diversity that you've brought up several times.
Competitive companies use contracts for a reason. You ask yourself if you'd pay extra to a model to have her hang around an extra few days just for competition to have their moment. Let us know how you feel about that...

revolve around idiot customers
Relax...

I don't actually even know why I'm typing this out... probably talking to my monitor.

I'm going to end my portion of this argument right now with a new pic of Katrina Moreno in studio....I've said my piece, hopefully totem recognizes they missed an opportunity, but lets enjoy Katrina.
TheEmu
Dołączył: Jul 2012

3309 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018 (edited)
@Orclover - re, your last post with a picture of Katrina Moreno. From that picture she looks OK, but no more than that, I might award a 4 star rating which is not high by iStripper standards. Of course with only a single picture the judgment is going to be poor but at the moment I see no reason to suppose that she is a "must have" for which more than ordinary effort should be expended in obtaining the services of.

I do regret the lack of diversity both in the direction that you favour and in other aspects, however I do not particulary miss the American models that were available when Totem had an American studio, I welcomed the extra diversity even though I personaly found few of them particularly attractive and see no reason that extra effort should be expended to obtain the services of American performers.
POPEYED
Dołączył: Jul 2013

1342 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018 (edited)
Just dropping by to spread the love...as usual! 😘💖
91hebasu
Dołączył: Jan 2008

1144 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
Again, twisting what I say to suit yourself

Your desire for American girls is not what I was referring to as being ridiculous

I like Lana.
Daisy ? Meh, not so much.

What you're saying and this fit you're having is what I'm referring to as being ridiculous


Just one completely Out There aspect of it all........

You want Totem to stop advertising and marketing their product and use that money to hire the girls YOU want cast ?

The All Mighty American Porn Star !


Think about that for a moment. Now think about this........

If the All Mighty American Porn Stars that YOU want Totem to track down would sell as well as you clearly believe you know, Totem would still have a studio in Vegas so there would be no need to hunt them down

Lack of sales was a huge factor in the closing of the Vegas studio
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Dołączył: Mar 2008

4002 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
You don't understand, I am saying the studio should have contacted them before they left, and made time. Contact their agent. Will Lana be visiting Paris in 2018, we would love to have her come in? Sure lets fit her in for a day. Done. Put in more effort please is my thesis, they should feel like they missed an opportunity if they find out a starlet was blocks away.

And how do you know that iStripper hasn't reached out.
Maybe iStripper has reached out and, couldn't reach agreeable terms.


duras
Dołączył: Nov 2010

114 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
I'm fine with the ukrainian girls. Actually the ukrainian models are the hotest girls around in the industry. The only ***** issue it's the lack of french girls.. it's strange that the Totem team can't find any model based right there in Paris. But that's only a small thing. Other then than it's all good.
muttonjeff
Dołączył: Nov 2008

815 post(y/ów)
February 3, 2018
orclover
Dołączył: Jun 2012

744 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018 (edited)
Totem puts a set of 16 best shows of the month up on its new website. 7/16 girls who are considered the best shows of the month happen to be american, even though it has been more than a year since an American girl was cast. This placement is based on some data, definetely not rating, most likely sales. Of the 16 girls 3 are from Ukraine...totem shot 40 American girls...7 of them are top sellers, or at the least used to market for a reason. Totem has shot many more ukrainian girls, and almost none of them are viewed as shows of the month. Totem signs ukrainian girls because they are much cheaper to hire, their average annual income is around $4k. The average american or parisian has an annual income of 40-50k. Still, American girls in Paris may cost less than American girls in LV. Or they may be worth shooting even if they cost double. They may have tried to sign them, but they failed, and with effort totem can sign any active porn star in the world. We all know this. The people who love the status quo get 50 girls a year that they like, I am asking for 2-3 more girls that I prefer but you still get 47-48 of the girls you prefer. How am I the one who is misguided, selfish, shorsighted? The people arguing have everything they want from the product and are fighting so they don't lose 5% of what the product offers them. Predictable but still disappointing, especially when a mod is the most inflammatory.
91hebasu
Dołączył: Jan 2008

1144 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018
Here's the issue with this........

You find a few facts, make assumptions and guesses, extrapolate some wild ideas based on those assumptions and guesses and then proceed to dump a bunch of misinformation in the forum. THAT is why you get these responses and disagreements.

It doesn't have the first thing to do with wanting or not wanting American girls. I want more American girls. I would love to have a more diverse selection to choose from.

It's the wild ideas and the posting of misinformation that irritates me
dotechinn7117
Dołączył: Jun 2015

22 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018
I think the models of the i stripper diversity is very nice so far and I enjoy them.

But some of the American models that what I want the i stripper to feature are Bailey Rayne, Niki Lee Young, and Staci Carr.

I am a Japanese, so I'd like to see Japanese models such as Yui Hatano(as shown) more often.....
Wuzthis
Dołączył: Oct 2012

91 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018
:D
Paintsnudes
Dołączył: Sep 2012

361 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018
no new customers are going to get excited about no-name girls from kiev

It is ridiculous that the few whales that like the Ukrainian explosion

Totem has shot many more ukrainian girls, and almost none of them are viewed as shows of the month.
TheEmu
Dołączył: Jul 2012

3309 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018 (edited)
@orclover - we do not know on what basis "Talent Of The Month" is selected, though I do remember that Totem have said that it is not based on a single simple criterion. You have no basis for assuming that it is dominated by sales though I am pretty sure that will be one of the things taken into consideration.

One possible reason for using such a designation is to try to encourage sales for something that is not selling as well as you think it should. I don't think that is actually happening here but other enterprises have been known to use that strategy and neither of us know for sure whether Totem are using it or not.
Paintsnudes
Dołączył: Sep 2012

361 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018
I have some more unpopular poorly caste Ukranian models in my collection
91hebasu
Dołączył: Jan 2008

1144 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018 (edited)
Talent of the Month criteria, as stated by Celine the first time the award was given........

    iStripper Talent is selected once a month based on :

  • her beauty of course,

  • the quality of her performance as a stripper,

  • the rate she got from our members,

  • the number of times she's been purchased,

  • how long she stays in our top 20, etc.

And in case of a tie, we ask the shooting crew to choose the girl who has left them with the most unforgettable memories


Here's the link for the first thread
https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/36630/1
Wszystko o iStripper / Talent of the month
We have decided to reward our best models every month and honor them with a badge on all her shows for one month. iStripper Talent is selected once a month based on : her beauty of course, the quality...
Edit:
And, of course........

There can be only one !

😉
TheEmu
Dołączył: Jul 2012

3309 post(y/ów)
February 4, 2018
Yep, that's the post I was thinking of. It does not give us any idea as to how much weight is placed on each of the criteria (or even if there are specific weights given to them) or how the non-numerical aspects are assessed or if the procedure whatever it is is consistantly applied (nor, as far as I am concerned, does it matter whether it is or not). It also mentions that one of the criteria is the card's rating, which @orclover thinks is not being used. The main point here is that we can not use the "talent of the month" designation as a proxy for sales figures even though they are part of the criteria used when awarding that badge and that @orclover should not make claims based on it.

Brak spełnionych wymagań by wziąć udział w dyskusji.

Jako darmowy użytkownik programu iStripper, nie możesz odpisywać w tematach na forum ani tworzyć nowych tematów.
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