I have been looking at a few models randomly and found the highest rating to be 9.6.


Just out of curiosity anyone know if any have been rated 9.7 and above ?

Possibly at some time. But over time as more people vote these figures settle down.

Like when a new card comes out it can be rated 10 for a day or two.

Don't let the ratings fool you gray1959, just check out some discussions in the forum about them. Some folks will give a 10/10 to almost anybody, just as many give a 0/10 if a girl is not to their liking.
Reviews of various people and things like clip length, types of clips, show value etc., the sample videos & pictures, these things should be taken into account when considering a buy.

One of my pet peeves is that we users are not able to give fractional or decimal ratings. More than half of all the cards have an overall average rating of 9.00 or higher, but the only way to influence the fine tuning of any numbers over 9 is by the number of folks who give a 10 rating (and take the trouble to post it) vs. the number who give any and all other numerical ratings. It doesn't sound like an exact science, but on the other hand, the grading between 9 and 10 is amazingly true and useful, thanks to a statistical phenomenon known as the "wisdom of the crowd." In other words, despite the non-availability of individual precision, the overall averages are actually surprisingly precise.

I wish Totem would let us give tenths of a point ratings between 9.1 and 9.9, and also maybe just an 8.5 for those who can't choose between 8.0 and 9.0. As far as I'm concerned, they can leave the rest as whole numbers.

Here are the rating of some of the cards released the past few months. It looks like most cards buyers are happy with their purchase (as you can only rate if you own a card), but with all cards ranking between 8.5 to 9.5 it's not easy to read. We could give decimals ratings, but I'm not sure it would solve the issue. Maybe give one to five stars to each girl depending on what is her rating compared to all others...

Seems to me, as Mem843etc. said, that it's quite possible most of the people rate girls only if they really like the girl or really dislike her. Mostly 9's and 10's with a few between 0 and 4 thrown in to the mix. I'll also add that it seems like the girl herself may be what's rated and not the actual show. A smoking hot girl that gives a not so good show could get a much higher rating than a girl who's perceived as less attractive and gives an amazing performance.

It's been quite a while since I've rated a girl because I stopped paying attention to what others think of the girls and act on my own feelings when it comes to purchases.

I believe it's very likely that if ratings in decimals was to be implemented, alot of the ratings would probably still be hovering above 9.0......unless some more members give extremely low ratings to offset all the 9.0 plus ratings.


Keep in mind that I've used "mostly", "probably", "seems", "quite possible" and "I believe". Pure speculation on my part.

I think the ratings can be taken with a pinch of salt.It's human nature not to mark a card down when you decided to purchase it .The margins can be fine so I would be in favour of a 9.5 option .The girls on deskbabes usually end up with their legs wide open masturbating for us so what can we mark them down for ? the wrong choice of shoes maybe !!

I appreciate the interest in the direction this thread is now taking. I share the original poster's interest in the fine numerical distinctions around the value of 9.7.

My point was simply that to give any card a 9 or below would pull the average down in more than half the cases, while the only way a card can find its rightful place within the vast territory between 9.00 and 9.99 (where more than half of them lie) is determined solely by the number of raters who awarded the perfect score of 10. So as a rater, I have only two choices -- either pull the average down or award a perfect score. Even if only for the sake of ranking our own personal collections, a bit more precision would be very much appreciated. To those members who don't care for the extra precision, you would still be free to select the nearest whole number.

In response to those who lament that some card-holders might be rating a hot girl with a lukewarm performance high, or vice versa, what would you have us do? Are we not being encouraged to rate the entire overall enjoyment experience of the card, whether it be from the beauty of the girl or the beauty of the performance or in combination as we see fit? Here once again I see the wisdom of the crowd at play. A card's overall rating reflects a thorough melting-pot combination of the thoughts of everyone who cared to vote. Two raters who happened to give the same rating for completely different reasons are each the same drop in the bucket toward the final overall average.

When I first joined this community, I placed a lot of reliance on the ratings to make my purchasing decisions, and the ratings served me amazingly well. I wonder if we could be giving the newer members the same kind of benefit but with greater precision if we had the chance. (Now that I am aiming to become a maxed-out VGHD collector, I don't need the ratings for that same original purpose, but it's still important to me for my DeskBabes purchases. Also, my inner thirteen-year-old still enjoys this game for the sheer joy of playing with numbers -- pinch of salt and all.)

I'm not surprised at the proliferation of high ratings for cards on VG. To me, being a guy who came here to see sexy Babes so that I can "get off" when desired,that is what I believe is the prime focus of this site for many (most?) members.The girls performance is, as it should be, in support of this overall effect & goal.That we get this with a nice dose of esthetic grace & beauty is an overall bonus thanks to the qualitative viewpoint of Totem in general.
I've always campaigned for COMPLETENESS i.e. all of it in EACH card.Beauty,good sexy,performance,explicit & X intensity, all presented in the Totem way that sets it apart from "just porn"! That has come in varying amounts of COMPLETENESS,Totem having to portray it's own vision AND satisfy all aspects of the viewing membership.
I don't think many people are committed to highly focused ratings here.I think it's mainly..."Is she hot? Does she move sexy? Is she Erotic? (Different than just Sexy...includes more aggressive "***** desire" attitude & action)and, to a lesser extent "does she have tattoos, work the pole/cage well,take off her stockings, etc.

For me the most direct representation would be a 3 tier system...
One rating for "Beauty"
One for Performance
One for Erotic/Xplicit action.
(One for "Get me off ability" too? lol)
....but I'm not gonna be doin' the math to average them out...
I'm aware of the problems that setting up a more expanded system could contain.
So for me it's ...
If the Babe is hot & she dances sexy enough to create the effect 10
Less explicit/Erotic 9 or 8
Less Xplicit & not so good performance-maybe 7
Less explicit but she turns me on 10
A sexy babe who turns me on (gets my FantaSex brain to jump)will always get a higher rating than just a good performance.
I think, it's a lot more important to write good descriptive comments on each card so members can see each person's responses to various aspects of the card.
I tend to view a lot of "just watching the girls" as something that comes inevitably with age....and that will be either adjusted to or prescribed for!
:)
So for me a clear set up for ratings is to be able to rate separately for Beauty,Performance, & Erotic effect.

@Plasonic,

I would love it if Totem would create the more detailed rating system you describe, but I don't see it happening. They seem to prefer to keep things as simple as possible. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid that adding a few decimal ratings choices in the drop-down ratings box would be simpler for them than your suggestion.

Reading these posts, I think the best solution is 2 ratings per card, 1 for looks/appearance and 1 for performance.

Do we need ratings as such?
May be this is the point for beginners to start from... to get some kind of picture perhaps... as gray1959 asked for.
But,... as has already been said here many times, this numeric system doesn't give any objective information about the girl as a person and a dancing model in amount.
Personally I've been found that many, many Girls are very sexy and "hot" and a good performers as well, although their ratings were at this moment not the best at all.
So I feel now about these numbers a great caution.
Not every member rates the girls. There are some certain members of the community, who does. These members are not biased decision makers - these numbers reflect their personal preferences mostly.
So my message to newcomers will be - don't trust the numbers! Just watch the shows and enjoy. Get to know as many girls as possible - your own ratings about will come by the time!
And if you've become a serious collector one day - you have your favorites, then you will not give a coin for these numbers anyway ];-)

But as I said - it's my personal opinion only, not "official statement" ];-)

When I first became a VirtuaGirl customer, I placed a lot of reliance on the ratings, and I may not have had the courage to make my first purchase without that guidance. I immediately decided that the ratings I was seeing were accurate and valuable to beginners -- a good thing to have.

I don't know how many others agree, but I'm not at all interested in seeing separate ratings for appearance and performance, and since there are already thousands of cards out there without this breakdown, I think it unlikely that Totem would want to introduce a multi-ratings system now. (If they did, would it only be for new cards, or would they have to go back and develop these separate ratings for all currently existing cards?) One thing they could do more simply at this point would be to introduce some numbers with decimals into the drop-down ratings boxes. The numerical results could be integrated seamlessly into the existing system.

@BigSteve, sounds as a good idea!

When I started, Spacephantom was an active reviewer then. I found his reviews much more objective and useful to read, as just to look at the rating numbers. It helped me to get acquainted with the Girls, gave me advice on what to pay attention to, which are one or another's strengths and weaknesses. It was really educating!
And I'm not talking about the English language, which was really hard to understand at the beginning... His reviews are so detailed, so eloquently stated... man, this was tough.
I was truly grateful for what he did, and still am now. This kind of advice should newbies search for, I guess... ];-)

I don't see how it will make any difference with using decimals. So you give a girl a 9.8 instead of a 10......for what ?? She has a flaw somewhere ?? Going to be like gymnastic tournament scores ??

Still going to have members giving very high ratings for the ones they find hot and really low ratings for the ones they find less attractive. Still not very objective....for the most part.

Detailed reviews are an entirely different thing though. Extremely useful.

@91hebasu,

I'll tell you exactly why I think decimal ratings (just between 9.0 and 10.0) would be helpful. More than half of the cards fall in between the range of 9.01 to 9.99. If I want to give a rating to one of these very common cards, I presently have only two choices: to give a 9 (which may be less than I think it deserves) and pull the average down, or to give a 10 (which may be a lot more than I think it is worth).

This is why our monetary systems have decimals and cents. The precision is useful.

Pfffft......Monetary systems, Precision....Whatever. As if we're building Swiss watches.

Just don't see how a 9 rating could possibly be way too low when a 10 can be considered way too high. Sounds just a little anal retentive to me. Well, more than a little....actually.

Seems you can't stand it sometimes when someone disagrees with your point of view. Nothing you say will convince me. Just consider me as disagreeing with you on this and drop it. I'm dropping it with this comment.

I agree 100% with CyberVixen.
Statistically the whole rating system is flawed because it is User / Member based.
It is not based on any specific criteria, other then, Does the member like this model.

Is she pretty? does she have great legs?, a great Ass? are her Boobs big?
A Member looks at the model and the Outfit, and Rates it.

So increasing the decimal accuracy will do Nothing.
The ratings IMHO mean nothing..



Once there are Several Ratings accumulated, Anything less then a 1 above the current rating, pulls the rating lower and lower.

So if a card has a 7.4 rating, a new member giving a 0 to 7 pulls it down.
if a Card has a 9.2, anything less than 10 pulls it down.

Without knowing the Number of Votes per given rating, it's useless info.

Example: Great Dancer, Blonde, blue eyes, Muscular build, good on the Pole.
here are the voting results:
3 votes of 10
12 votes of 9
20 votes of 8
9 votes of 4 - Didn't like her Muscular build.
Using the current Average System, the cards rating would be

7.6 - not very good...

but the 42 votes of 8 or higher,
speaks more then the 9 votes of 4

So without voting statistics, the Number doesn't mean very much..

Looks like the silly season's starting early this year so I might as well throw some oil on the fire.

The ratings are a marketing tool, pure and simple. High absolute ratings are a persuasive way of getting punters to look at your product.

Every time this debate rolls around people talk about the influence that higher ratings have on their buying decisions especially when they have just joined the site and this time around is no different.

Also, people talk about how they would like cards to be rated, what criteria are important to them and how these things 'should' be measured.

The fact is that once you've bought a card or had it sent to you via a subscription you're allowed to rate the card using any criteria you like. And your rating is just as valid as all the others. You can change the rating whenever you want and you don't have to rate the cards unless you want to. The people who rate every card a 10 or the ones who only rate cards they like have all paid for the privilege.

Objectivity? Pull the other one! It's not even April 1st yet!

It think there have been made a few good suggestions to improve the ratings system. Those who think the system sucks anyway won't mind, and people who do look at or use the system will probably be in favor of improvements. So in the end changing/improving the rating system will benefit Totem.

Please remember that one more purpose of the ratings system is for us to be able to organize our own private collections into rank order by popularity. If I happen to be using the same kind of scale as the rest of the Totem community, then well over half of the cards are going to fall within the range of 9.01 to 9.99. That could be 700 cards or more. If my only choices for all of these cards are to give either a 9 (too low) or a 10 (too high), it's going to do a poor job of placing these 700 cards in the proper order. What ***** is there in allowing us to assign numbers in between 9.0 and 10.0?

Clearly not everyone uses the ratings the same way I do -- neither for oneself nor to provide the best possible guide for others making purchasing decisions. I don't think it's "silly" to be interested in either one of these objectives, let alone both of them. Anyone who does not care to use this level of precision can ignore it, and it need not affect them in any way. Giving more ratings fine tuning choices to those of us who want it will fit in just fine with the existing number system, and should be transparent to those who don't care one way or the other.

Damn. You're like a Pit Bull. You get a hold of something, you just don't want to let it go.

I suppose you want Totem to change everything to accommodate what "you" want. Prices of subs, rating methods and so on, etc., etc. ??? I want this changed. I want that changed. On and on. You just don't let up. Still don't understand why, or how, there's such a huge difference between 9 and 10. Wow.....I can even read that without it being in bold letters.

Oh my god........9.01 is way too low for this girl and 9.10 is way too high. What am I going to do ??? What's the emoticon for rolling your eyes up anyway ??


At least it's good for a laugh from time to time.(Rolling my eyes up)

I have laid out what I think are some good reasons to consider limited fractional or decimal ratings. As soon as I hear one reason not to do this, I'll acknowledge it. So far, all I've heard is from people who think that because they're not interested in it, no one should have it. Not a single argument on the merits of the suggestion, which would be quite simple for Totem to implement and not affect anyone who is not interested. The purpose of this forum is to explore what does not yet exist but which might make Totem better, and my polls on a variety of topics often show strong support. I have not suggested "changing everything" -- just a little tweak here and there.

Wanda Sykes once said, "If you don't believe in same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex." She also said on the same topic, "It's not mandatory." Wanda's perspective works equally well here. If it's not ***** you, why are you so up in arms against it?

Yet you continue to come back to this stuff, argue your point of view and try to make people agree with it. I want, I want, I want. Like I said....Pit Bull. Latch on and won't let go.

I think you're a little ***** about what the purpose of the forum really is. Members ***** changes is not the purpose. If you haven't noticed, the button in the GUI that brings you to the forum says "Community".......not "Suggestions on how we should change the site". Perhaps this topic should have been started in Ideas ?? Seems like the best place for it. It is after all.....an idea. Not necessarily a good one, but it's an idea.

Now that you've brought up "Merit" and making Totem better......What you propose, or what you insist on arguing over and over, has no merit. It wouldn't be improving the product. It might improve your card organization in your little world but not the VirtuaGirl and DeskBabes products. Of course you're only wanting one thing at a time but at this rate, you'll eventually get around to everything.

You seem to think whatever it is you want would be simple for Totem to do. "It would be simple for Totem to go back and reduce the subscriptions to give me what I want."(Of course, that's not word for word.) "It would be simple for Totem to change the ratings system so I can rate the girls without affecting their current average and organize my cards the way I want." This may be simple....may not. That would be for them to say.

When you present something that might actually improve the product, then maybe we can discuss making improvements.

Oh yeah....I really don't care whatever it is Wanda has to say.


OK.....I might actually be done now. Then again, perhaps not.

Totem has said the purpose for these forums is so they can know what we are thinking, what we like, and what we don't like. I'm sure it has been doing a good job so far fulfilling that purpose. Not every idea put out there will be a home run, but if we don't take a swing now and then, even though the product is excellent now, it will not continue to improve. I don't expect all of my ideas to be implemented, but I have had some successes so far. (I was the first person in these forums to suggest DeskBabe booster packs and DeskBabe subscriptions about a year before they were implemented.)

If a number of us users think that having a ruler with a few more fine lines between the whole numbers would be useful, it would improve "the product" at least for us. Not everyone ***** the idea, and it certainly has to be simpler than some other suggestions about creating multiple ratings categories for each card. In my humble opinion, that would be more complicated than my suggestion. I would prefer staying with a single precise rating for each card, but I'm not going to rant about that.

91hebasu may be correct that I will eventually want everything, but I'll never live long enough to get it all into the forums. In the meantime, I'll start by suggesting what I believe to be the simplest things that will add the most bang for the buck for the most people. I have never demanded anything. If I'm wrong about how simple things are or how many would benefit from them, let's discuss the details calmly and rationally.

The Wanda Sykes quotes were the most eloquent statements addressed to non-involved, non-affected nay-sayers I have ever heard. IMHO those who don't care what she had to say are the ones most in need of looking in the mirror and thinking about her words.

Actually i think adding another category to rate a card shouldn't be a big deal at all implementation-wise, and I just can't wait to rate the girls' ears next to the overall rating ;-)