@TheEmu ~ I do accept that voting rights in any iStripper poll should probably only come after some minimum number of purchases - as long as its a small number.

@Rex rapidly losing any confidence in the outcome of polls here, maybe Totem should create a thread Topic just for polls, which restricts poll participants to members having purchased at least 2 cards

I feel like yall keep stepping backwayrds in regards to isxxx.
But I guess you really need to cater to that one group.(who need to just stay on is)
I feel like anything less than how Merry Pie rides her toy shouldn't be concidered "xxx" and maybe just like "xx" or "X". Its missleading.

Not gunna lie audio is a big thing for me too. I tend to close my eyes with my headphones listening to as many "duo "anal" cards I can tag. This ***** me to go to outdated cards.
I love yall, but I need to hear that ass clap.

Makes a bit sad that there are only a little over 600 participants at this point.

@KatzPaw, I hope this is not just another costly experiment by our much loved company.
Members section indicates a total of 11,856 'active' members on the forum.
Some proportion of these members (two or three of them within my friends list) have actually passed on
so I doubt they will be voting. Unless I'm mistaken, 600 votes does not even amount to one useful standard deviation, so not a very practical sample statistically imho.

There have been suggestions that free previews could include xxx within the 'new' format and that could be motivating one card freeloaders to vote en mass for the change.
The reasons people buy or do not buy cards ( judging by the comments here alone) is way more complex than the amount / proportion of all types of xxx per card. However it is nice that Totem asked anyway, no matter what/how they decide.

Well, my biggest complaint was the lack of standing clips on the XXX cards and that was the reason I don't buy them anymore. Today, I accidentally bought an XXX card and was surprised to see more than half were standing/pole clips. There was only one XXX show which is kind of dumb though. It's basically just an iStripper card with one dildo scene. Why don't they just merge the two and have each card have a few XXX scenes if the girl wants to do them and call it good?

My mistake of buying an XXX card today was good. I see the changes they made and I will start buying them again. I'm definitely buying Carolina Abril's XXX cards. I don't care if there are standing or not, she's too awesome to pass up and I'll make an exception for her anytime.

I love the new format
Especially my monitor with 4k resolution
Running well

Not with very very tiny menu and text in old format
Thanks iStripper

More explicit cards are for veterans and should be kept. This preference develops with time. The new commers may not have developed this faculty yet. Believe me exliciticity is the real beauty of this site.
Fake expressions are larger than life and should be part of this form of art. It makes the scenes more effective.
Scroll capability should be introduced in zooming feature to give capability to the viewer to adjust the size instantlly as needed.
Girl girl shows should be resumed. Two girls will give way to the angles and actions that are not possible in one girl show.

@naaacho said

More explicit cards are for veterans and should be kept. This preference develops with time.

My experience has been the exact opposite, My interrest in the harder forms of porn peaked many years ago.

Okay, I have read down to here and my feelings haven't changed. I want the old format XXX cards back but I realize that very few things stay the same and change is inevitable. Having said that, if Totem is going to continue with the hybrid type shows then Tina Kay's Obey Me card should be used as a template. Out of 19 clips, nine of them are XXX. There are a mixture of pole clips, standing clips and table clips. The only way I can see to improve the card would be to have more intensity with the masturbation clips. I seem to remember the last three clips were masturbation but she obviously wasn't trying to get herself off. If I am going to continue buying shows I need to see girls at least make the attempt to get themselves off. You just have to watch any Red Fox XXX show to know what I like.

I'm probably not going to mind change too much... just takes time to get used to.

I'm here to watch her take off her clothes, I love a good 'peekaboo' moment. I'm up for burlesque but I don't mind naked... she can insert whatever she wants... or not... I'm very accommodating! :) (Apart from whips and chains, I've got more than enough ***** already...)

So long as Totem do not cut back on any of these parts (depending on the card and the girl), they are well done and the girl looks happy... I'm happy! :)

Is the swing still going to be included in scenes? Could you do a clip or two with the old bath? Is the cage still floating around? Will we get any more screen washing scenes?

I think that the problem with Katy Jones shows and the reason they garnered ***** was because they were like the 'old style' cards... brought back memories of Lily Rose. Beautiful girl but looks... unsure.
Keep an umbrella stand in the corner Totem. Not only is it useful as a way to get the girl to her taxi in the dry, it could be used as a quick 'prop' for girls who look a little lost... something to take their mind off the camera staring at them! :)
Keep the 'singing in the rain' soundtrack for when you hand her the umbrella... make her smile.

Will we ever see another Samantha Lee with a banana? :)
Remember, though, that props carefully done can make a show. Too many props can overwhelm a show... Shelly's Bikini Poppin is possibly enough props...
I'm off track... too much XXX is like a prop. It needs to be managed so that it doesn't overwhelm a show...

I guess that most are happy with the new format. Why bother with iStripperXXX cards at all considering how watered down they have become. 1 or 2 clips XXX seem meaningless to give it that higher rating. To say it's not about money is a lie. iStripper is a business and changes always have to do about getting more revenue. VirtualGirl and now iStripper has always had beatiful girls, now is no different. Deskbabe came out to satisfy members wanting it, I guess that's changed now. So in my opinion put sound in the regular cards including the music being played for the Portrait clips.

I am all about Totem making a living, trying to appeal to more of an audience with the xxx cards. I hope a balance can be achieved. 💔

HI,

I am expecting to see some COSPLAY girls
just like Estonia playing HARLEY QUEEN

with the releas of Wonder Woman i would to see a big boobs girls...

Thank you

I guess that most are happy with the new format. Why bother with iStripperXXX cards at all considering how watered down they have become. 1 or 2 clips XXX seem meaningless to give it that higher rating. To say it's not about money is a lie. iStripper is a business and changes always have to do about getting more revenue. VirtualGirl and now iStripper has always had beatiful girls, now is no different. Deskbabe came out to satisfy members wanting it, I guess that's changed now. So in my opinion put sound in the regular cards including the music being played for the Portrait clips.

**Comment to George53**
Sorry? iStripper XXX is a totally other product that doesn't satisfy your appealings, but there are enough customers enjoying iStripper XXX (Deskbabes) as product. And there is no such thing as watering down because Sex compared to Beauty: Beauty will always win the majority, that is now and that was aswell in the past. iStripper is all about beauty, sensual and tease. iStripperXXX is totally another level for customers that wants beautiful models on the desktop! Models that are sensualy touching themselves, fingering and/or using toys to get aroused and have orgasm at the end of the show! - I think 1/3 of the total votes is worth considering about iStripper XXX explicit content (New OR Old format, doesn't matter), but XXX Content is NOT to be ignored here.

I dont want to see the product "Deskbabes" go into oblivion! (Gives us back the Duo's!!😀😀)

**Comparison iStripper & iStripperXXX**
iStripper is about:
. Beauty
. Sensual
. Tease
. Accessoires
. Sexual Erotic Dances

iStripper XXX is about
. Beauty
. Sensual
. Tease
. Toys
. Explicit Content: Touching, Fingering, Nipple Fondeling, Kissing & Licking etc!
. Explicit Content: Aroused & Orgasm Clips
. Accessoires !NEW Format!
. Sexual Erotic Dances !NEW Format!


Thanks for reading, Terbone😎

I think that what we are really talking about in this thread and also the spread legs thread is marketing, sales and customer commitment. Totem doesn't sell every card to every customer. Most of us buy what we like. However, the is probably a minimum level of sales that makes someone a recurring customer and Totem needs as many recurring customers as possible. I suspect that Totem's main profit comes not from collectors of all cards or one-time purchasers, but from customers who return on a regular basis to by more cards. The best way to increase the number of recurring customers is to ensure that they don't buy cards they won't like. This means providing more detailed information about the content of each card. In Totem's position, I would produce a wider variety of cards and more clearly describe their contents. If after a fair test period certain kinds of cards don't return a reasonable profit, stop making them. But keep in mind that low selling cards may keep some customers active who would otherwise not buy any cards.

Edit: The recurring discussion of Black and Asia models is a good example of this marketing dilemma. Those models may not sell as many cards as white models, but a certain level of new cards from black and asian models may retain customers who will also contribute to the sale of cards from white models while the ***** of those models will lose all sales from those customers. Totem should have those kind of sales figures to determine if this is the case.

@Dorsai6 said

The best way to increase the number of recurring customers is to ensure that they don't buy cards they won't like. This means providing more detailed information about the content of each card.

For exactly this reason I have previously suggested that prior to purchasing a card it should be possible to call up a pop-up giving a clip summary for the card, something like the following

Clip summary for Katya Clover / Merciless

.........,..|.Stand Pole Cage Swing Glass Table | Total
No nudity...|...2.....1.....................1...|...4
Topless.....|...1...........................1...|...2
Nudity......|...................................|...0
Full nudity.|...3.....4.....................6...|..13
X rated.....|...................................|...0
------------|-----------------------------------|-----
Total.......|...6.....5.....................8...|..19

To which, perhaps, could be added some sort of indicator as to how many were preview clips or feature accessories. The pop up could be added to the carousels, the previews and the girls store.

Note, the dots above really should be blanks, but even in code blocks the GUI still seems to be screwing up the formatting of contiguous blocks of blank characters.

It's easier to read without acres of blank... ;)

Re: giving a clip summary for the card, something like the following

I like this idea, It would take some programming effort and require changes to the iStripper GUI, but I think it would be worthwhile.

@shodan084 - there are times where you want things formatted in columns or consistently indented - the "code" formatting option should do this by using a monospacing font and preserving blanks but it currently fails (or at least the preview provided by the GUI did.)

The "acres of blank" can be reduced by using narrower columns, but then you need to lable them with vertical (or slanting) text like this


Clip summary for Katya Clover / Merciless

............|.S.|.P.|.C.|.S.|.G.|.T.|..T
............|.t.|.o.|.a.|.w.|.l.|.a.|..o
............|.a.|.l.|.g.|.i.|.a.|.b.|..t
............|.n.|.e.|.e.|.n.|.s.|.l.|..a
............|.d.|...|...|.g.|.s.|.e.|..l
------------|---|---|---|---|---|---|-----
No nudity...|.2.|...|...|...|...|.1.|..4
Topless.....|.1.|...|...|...|...|.1.|..2
Nudity......|...|...|...|...|...|...|..0
Full nudity.|.3.|.4.|...|...|...|.6.|.13
X rated.....|...|...|...|...|...|...|..0
------------|---|---|---|---|---|---|-----
Total.......|.6.|.5.|...|...|...|.8.|.19

but I am not convinced that is any easier to read. Or you can use explict zeros, or a substitite a character such as '-' when there are no clips, but I find that leads to dense blocks of data that again are not easy to read. In any case if something like this was done I would hope that some thought would be put into formatting it rather better than the crude ASCII tables I have used. One idea would be to use little icons, as used on the current clip list tabs, as the column headers.

@Dorsai6 - Obviously it would take some programming effort, but I think all the data needed is already available or can be made easily available to the GUI before the card is purchased. The idea is to satisfy those who have been saying that they want to know whether or not a card has certain types of clips, and how many of those types, before they make a purchase.

I have just noticed that I have made an error in the totals line or missed a non-nude pole dance clip, but that isn't important for illustrating the idea of having such a summary.

@Dorsai6 and @TheEmu,
Isn't all that predicated on the assumption that less obfuscation will increase sales. The reasoning being, that it will lessen the chance of purchasers being upset that a card they bought contents do not suit their needs.

In spite of what we want as members, commercially thats probably a long bow to draw. Members with 1000 cards or more could on the other hand tend to be more selective, which could infact reduce sales. It is an interesting quandary.

i believe the 100 card requirement (above) may have recently changed for access to clip manager. If that is the case, at least more entry level members can look back at their own card contents now, and better understand what to ask for.

@TheEmu

Yes all the necessary data is available on Totem's servers. I agree that this would be a very useful feature for many customers.

@EverthangForever

Re: Isn't all that predicated on the assumption that less obfuscation will increase sales.

To restate it: It's based on my assumption that a customer is more likely to buy more cards if they are satisfied with most of the cards they have purchased. If Totem is interested in one-time sales this will ***** them, but it seems to me that they are much more interested in continuing sales. Their business seems to be based on this.

Re: i believe the 100 card requirement (above)

Yes. Rex said this and Wyldanimal has confirmed it.

Looking back is fine, but looking forward is much better.

Well if they are going to call a Card XXX, and put one xxx clip in it... very frustrating for customers who think they are getting one thing and it's not.

I want both types of cards. I want cards with Beauty snd dancing and stripping, sensual but not explicit (iStripper). I also want cards of beautiful women, with fingering, dildos, touching, having orgasms and explicit sex (iStripperXXX (old Deskbabes)). That is why i have purchased both types of cards.

I will stop buying if old xxx format including is girl to girl format is not brought back. I dont see no difference between the new xxx format and istripper.
I am sure lot of faithful fans wat this. But are not participating in this forum.
It is frustrating to loose the pleasure of watching new girls not opening up.

I think there is place to many types of cards. Nobody is obligated to buy this or thar card.
In my opinion, XXX cards must be differentiated from regular ones. If not, what's the point of having a different collection?
XXX cards must have hot action, dildo playing, if possible anal penetration. Who doesn't like doesn't buy them.

I want both types of cards. I want cards with Beauty snd dancing and stripping, sensual but not explicit (iStripper). I also want cards of beautiful women, with fingering, dildos, touching, having orgasms and explicit sex (iStripperXXX (old Deskbabes)). That is why i have purchased both types of cards.

This.

I think the name iStripperXXX is a misnomer. It implies ~'anything goes', and thats not what Totem's core business is about. For instance, I don't think it implies girls doing unpleasant/***** acts. I don't think the extreme penetrations (oversize toys, anal etc.) are called for enough by mainstream members, to warrant their overuse.
It boils down to what Totem have to pay more for. Voluntary fingers/hand wise masturbation should not attract a higher model fee loading imho. Its just that the law thinks anything penetration, including fingers searching the g-spot needs to be xxxx. However imho anything skin on same skin is acceptable by mainstream as 'erotic' now rather than porn, and that should not interfere with most masturbation to Climax portrayals here.

I think what hasn't been mentioned in the discussion so far (as far as I can tell/remember), but what makes a huge difference, is the performers involved. Even if you have the same new-xxx format with performers like Tina Kay or Naomi Benett and Rebecca Volpetti and Milana, the performances of the first two feel very much different than the latter two. Even if you have only a few clips with sounds, and no scenes in all of the cards, with Tina and Naomi I feel that the entire show is part of an xxx scenario that is building towards the final scenes, with Rebecca and Milana not so much, this is much more like a regular show with some xxx clips with sounds added onto it, making it feel less organic and a thing of its own than the other two. So, from my point of view I think the new format can produce very good and interesting cards (and from my perspective, more interesting than some old style xxx cards with 3 scenes becoming repetitive), if they are tweaked a little more in the xxx direction and if you get a sense the model is working up to the final scenes. So, I am probably closest to what KatzPaw has suggested here.

And, I would add that for this to work you really need performers that can make it work. In my estimate, Tina Kay was great in doing so and this week, Naomi Bennett. Estonika's were good, too, but with her also the regular recent shows were so xxx-heavy, that ironically the actuall xxx shows didn't feel so special as simply a continuation of what she did in the other shows with sound and toys (not a bad thing, but made the xxx card not stand out as much).