Even thou I agree this division is mostly commercially driven there are legal issues involved looking outside the US... but again... it's mostly a question of business strategy as some of Totem's affiliates and billers don't accept or support true HC-content

"As an adult web site with pornographic content, VirtuagirlHD has to comply with 18 USC 2257"
@Ambler
So there is nothing in future to stop Totem from rehashing the content it has from the existing VGHD (+ the cutting room material) to suit a separation of content into any number of newly named sites it creates with different classifications. Fine. If I have a greater choice later using the same animation engine I'm willing to wait a little longer for that structure to be put in place. I'm just hoping existing card holders at least get credits for upgrading any of their existing cards into the new DeskBabes genre, and I'm hoping there is just one DeskBabes subscription required to cover all the websites but if not, and there are separate billers, so be it, I'll stick with Deskbabes alone, just don't send me to bugclicks :-)

@EverythangForever
"I'm just hoping existing card holders at least get credits for upgrading any of their existing cards into the new DeskBabes genre"

The "content" you believe Totem is holding back in VGHD doesn't exist!

All content created for Deskbabes will be exclusive for that series of the software. All content that have been and will be created for VGHD will remain exclusive for VGHD...

"All content created for Deskbabes will be exclusive for that series of the software. All content that have been and will be created for VGHD will remain exclusive for VGHD..."

Besides some off-hand remarks from almost a year ago, you have no idea whether this is true or will stay true. I doubt if even Totem knows.

I would say it's true - both in policy and fact.

And there is no hidden / held back content.

LOL

Totem has enough trouble keeping organized what they produce...
let alone time and resources for a secret stash.

Thanks for backing me here Patrick... so true they have their hands full creating and releasing new content :)

they probably share the 'directors cut version' of all those shows where it's obvious that the juicy parts have been cutted out between each other. I just don't believe these editors really have deleted that material for good.

Exactly. And from a business standpoint, it would make a lot of sense to release two versions of the same show- if there is any truth to the idea that there are two types of buyers (those that want explicit, those that don't).

It used to be a commonly held belief here that virtuagirl would get all the hot babes while "deskbabes" got the second-stringers, with very little crossover between the two. Then Totem starting announcing that they wanted to cast all the top virtuagirls for "deskbabes".

So I tend to not believe much of anything this company states as "policy". And if they want to sell a lot more of the Diana Doll or Susan solo shows, among others, all they have to do is put back the removed content.

hello all
Here is what I think VGHD must stay VGHD

Certain business uses as sreensaver and is not intended to have the surprise of an explicit action and a client enters the office, or made explicit or not show nudity, which mean that everybody can use them and it should stay as is now well on the new site Deskbabes be completely independent VGHD, but can be read with the program VGHD, this new site is done because we ask, is not a Trade Action standalone Totem.

For content supposedly missing, do not you think for one second that the camera could have gotten himself off the set? I say it'll be good to let the benefit of the doubt, even if the films are what matter? Totem will not change its product, which is normal, it prepares a new one for most people who want more explicit.

do not forget this, is to separate the 2 products is a protection VGHD, the user can prevent the contents of the new site by disabling, I doubt that those cons will not go see the new shows

Have funrious ;-)

@alerte: Your incident in the office can be prevented by setting the screensaver to no nudity shows only. Totem has this element of control in their software so why should it still be a problem to have more explicit clips? Those who don't want it, disable it. End of story, everybody happy.
Thats my opinion from the first day i saw a censored show here(after that ***** incident).
And until now i haven't heard a good argument against this.

It is a shame that someone apparently decided teasing strips should not have an DeskBabes style explicit as follow through. I don't know if people want just a full on porn Deskbabes without the buildup. Many members step up through the "allow shows" in desktop for this effect. Continuity is key.

But it's simple, Totem will not turn its site into VGHD Porno site completely.

@Alerte
Then they could have hired other models. What a waste of resources.

i know alerte and believe it or not: i don't want them to. What i want is that shows like Susans Sweet Day would be available again at least for some new shows. Then i wouldn't feel any need for a new product.

Agree with Starryk. The program has filters and a delete clips feature. That's protection enough for anyone. Girls fully clothed dancing on my office PC are ***** for instance. Exposing children or impressionable people in a home pc to any kind of porno, soft or not, is irresponsable. If you're an adult with a lot of obstacles to view naked chicks and kinky stuff, you shouldn't be here in the first place. imho.

Let the dreamers dream... but the day Totem repackage old leftovers and try to sell them as new and explicit is the day they lose me as a customer. If they do that they are no better than the clone or scam sites that do sleazy dirty business!

When I buy a card here at VGHD I pay for the "full version" of that card. To repackage and add some deleted explicit contend and resell it as a new card is as shitty as releasing a best of album and adding one song not available any other way... I've been around Totem long enough to know that they wont lower themselves to that level... not ever!

VGHD is and will always be "soft"... that's why they are creating DeskBabes with a completely new and explicit content. And in doing so they are re inviting some of the top explicit girls from VGHD to do new and exclusive cards for DeskBabes. Personally I think that's a brilliant strategy, and the only fair way to do it... and that's also why I'm sure Totem has no plans to repackage old leftovers!

I must also clarify the protection is not made by the user but by Totem. it is obvious that we choose can have the same degrees of nudity, thank you for the information, but you forget the most important thing is to let free Totem to his work as he want. and sorry but I maintain this attitude of Totem. It is true that for a large number of show we have not had a superb right finger action, but we must also understand that Totem has responded to an escalation of the explicit, this is absolutely not the purpose of VGHD. if we were right about masturbation is that Totem has tried to make us a little gift. and if you see only the explicite part then do not see VGHD. watch some show or the dress or ***** is almost and sensuality is present.
do not worry about new models I'm sure Totem to reserve.

we have ask a new product more explicite and we can use it with the system and account VGHD, where are the problem ? the time Totem give us this, please wait again Totem work on it. and i am sur we have not a deception.

and sorry i am a little tired to see again and again this about explicite, Totem are anderstand us and made some work for us. then patience please ;-)

I get your points alerte, but you're missing also one little point when talking about content. It's not what you or i like, support or think it should be, it's what it is:

I'm quoting @Rex, from a post dated on feb 27, 2009:

"Current line for VirtuaGirl is a little rubbing, teasing and even fingering are ok, a little masturbation could be fine too given it stays short and tastefull."

This is a company statement to it's customers. It doesn't talk about Deskbabes, it talks about VG.

Since there has not been another statement from the company, other than remark that this product is softcore, that one is still valid, but has not been honored. The rest are excuses.

I don't care if there's fingering or not in VG, though it should be there now and then cause that's what the company said, but watering the product to the current state is not acceptable. Softcore is not a synonym of lame. imho.

Also, i agree with Jununger in all that he said above.

Yes. There has been no teasing at all...;)

Yeah, very lame. ;)

Can only wait & see what Deskbabes has to offer. If DeskBabes has raunchy stripping it will be worth it. If it is essentially a nude explicit performance show with minimal striptease it will lose its novelty quickly & I'm not really interested.

I understood it ;-) lack of masturbation in VGHD I had also noticed but it seems to me that the program we watch short clips of no action, so if Deskbabe shows only the explicit is fed to VGHD . Finally, in my opinion. I know it is not easy to understand that the world has accustomed us to see an entire film as a result. I would like to say is that this is not a film, but entertainment based on small clips while you work. I am also disappointed that most of the lack of masturbation not think otherwise, but I understand why Totem will not. Now if have calculated, have found that the entire production VGHD some masturbation, what has been said, he was never told that all shows will have about masturbation.

and of course the best is wait the new product.

I do the same, alerte, while working at home like i'm doing now. Naked chicks distract me a lot, so i keep the program set in no nudity. That's what the filters are there for, to allow me to chose what i'm seeing in any given moment. ;)

Yes, not in all shows, indeed. But since the date of that statement only one show released contains fingering. And rubbing the pussy over the cloths, hidding it with the hands or fading when some action it's about to happen is a mock to the viewer and not explicit. Maybe works in the teasing level, but certaily it's a very dull thing if it is placed in the sexual explicit behavior category.

But beyond the elements that make softcore spicy and provides variety, the current approach that Totem took it's very lame and prudish even to softcore standards, imho. I didn't enroll in a glamour or erotic site, i'm already subscribed to some of those. The owner said softcore and that's what i want and with good quality. I bet you want the same thing. ;)

I agree that sometimes it's nice to set the level to "no nudity" and appreciate that feature.

I would like to see spreading in every show. That, to me, is the softer explicit that VGHD should aim for....leaving masturbation and toys to the rumored (can't say "promised" as it has been put off for so long) new site. As others have said, anything less is just lame.

And, as I've stated before...FULL (look up "full" in the dictionary) nudity should mean no stockings, boots, gloves, hats, etc. in the clips labeled as full nudity.

There's no point having the Explicit category on this site. You only have to google half the girl on here to see them doing far more than they do on here, and often in free areas of other sites .. namely ddf.

I shan't be renewing.

Guys,

While its tempting to just say, lets not have the same "discussions" all over again, I won't do that :)

However, I will say that from what has been seen of DeskBabes, you can safely say that it is not tame or not explicit. Just have patience for its release.

The boundaries of VirtuaGirlHD were set a long time ago, but those of DeskBades are not so restricted. The reasons for VirtuaGirlHD constraints have been explained often enough although many do not agree, others accept them. Its like life, not everything goes your way as many of us no doubt know, but get over it because it will not adjust to you.

Sorry,

Its been a while since I posted much and if I seem reactionary, that was not the intent.

Cheers & Beers

Ok, one last gasp about explicit.
Members want a complete product & Totem won't give it to them. End of story apparently. The time available in clips using this technology is limited so Deskbabes will not be able to provide enough build up in teasing stripping and VGHD will not provide an explicit end to a performance. You cannot join the two together in some way to acheive the complete performance for one girl. Although the members have pleaded for Totem to use filters on just one product as a solution, this has been rejected. If double subscriptions is the aim, that won't happen just like people won't buy two halves of differnt cars and expect anything to run. Sadly, it is a plan that appears to be going nowhere.