I regretted buying Eve Sweet's last show because
Totem Production decided to combine 'deep-er ' throat
(to almost gagging) with the squirt clip. Excluding
that clip would have lost me 8 minutes and 20 seconds
of the show or 22% of it. Same happens with anal -
whether we like it or not, Totem expect us to subsidize
the loading which they pay to models for doing that.
Let those who want it, pay for it. The problem lays with
Production deciding for us, what we should like to see together.
They mix the activities on each clip for us to buy the card &
for customers like me it often means, once bitten, twice shy.

It's disappointing that XXX cards are better-selling but not surprising. The XXX cards give the impression to many people that you get more content. In some cases you do, but in most cases it is just different content. When I was new to the program, some of my earlier purchases were XXX cards for this very reason, I thought you were getting more. But when I found out for sure that the full nudity dancing shows were exactly what I wanted, I stopped buying XXX cards. Also I'm not a fan of looking at the back of a girl's hand for 30 minutes while she masturbates. It does nothing for me. Maybe they should call the "regular shows" something else so the XXX shows don't seem like regular shows+?

Also the last 6 shows (and counting) have been XXX. There have also been similar streaks very recently. That really sucks (at least for me). The program has been out for a long time, have the XXX cards always sold this well?

One observation I have made, maybe valid and maybe not, is that the few regular cards are quite good and full of energy now that many girls spend more time on the table in the xxx. Michel Dark, for example, has an outstanding regular card that stands above the others as she is full of energy and pretty creative. Dancing for 5+ hours is not only exhausting but monotonous for amateur performers. It might also be that girls are requesting more xxx, and less dancing. Dancing is a very exposing activity and requires a lot of talent, a talent that is often not used in the porn industry. Many girls might be more comfortable with the sitting and playing than dancing. I know I would be.

@philours

More variety is not necessarily in each map, but in all maps. And I have also become more selective since the end of my Premium subscription. But for reasons opposite to yours. 😉
And frankly, I can't find anything disgusting about iStripper. We are still far from a Hard site 😆

That was the point of the post that you replied to. On the other hand The post that I replied to implied that introducing things that were would automatically be a good thing. I am sure that is not what the poster meant, but it is implied by what he wrote (which was an over generalisaion).

@philours

More variety is not necessarily in each map, but in all maps. And I have also become more selective since the end of my Premium subscription. But for reasons opposite to yours. 😉
And frankly, I can't find anything disgusting about iStripper. We are still far from a Hard site 😆

That was the point of the post that you replied to. On the other hand the post that I replied to implied that introducing things that were would automatically be a good thing. I am sure that is not what the poster meant, but it is implied by what he wrote (which was an over generalisation).

@wrightsayswow

I think for tags like "anal" and "squirt" they only relate to a couple of clips towards the end of many XXX cards. Easily avoided if the clip is disabled

While that is true we also see here that there are people that avoid cards that are tagged "bare feet" or its absense despite also being able to disable the offending clips. For the "harder tags" the effect is likely to be stronger.

@HansSachs

There are, also practically certainly, a significant - maybe even bigger - number of people which find such tag (and also other "extreme" ones) a reason more to buy a card...

Of course that its true. but again you miss the point. Would the same be true of a "*****" tag - which your over generalisation that increased varietry is always better would imply.

The program has been out for a long time, have the XXX cards always sold this well?

@Captain

No they haven't. Originally, when iStripper was called VGHD, regular cards sustained the business. Then they brought out xxx in the form of DeskBabes, a separate collection using the same technology. This wasn't a success, possibly it took buyers away from VGHD rather than attracting new buyers, and the two products were combined.

It may be that xxx isn't more popular, just more profitable, because xxx fans spend more on games and stuff. Increasing the % of xxx looks dangerous to me, if they are going to lose more collectors like @TheEmu . Those guys provide the regular income that keeps iStripper going. The xxx lovers can get their fix with regular porn vids, but the stripper-in-the-corner proposition is unique.

Personally, I agree with those who are now avoiding most xxx cards. There's just too much masturbating and not enough striptease. I'm sick of trying to hide my disappointment when I comment on my purchases.

parce que les fans de xxx dépensent plus pour des jeux et des trucs.

Pure supposition ou avez-vous des informations à ce sujet?

’ils vont perdre plus de collectionneurs

Pas d'inquiétude, un collectionneur restera un collectionneur et si une poignée d'entre eux réduisent leurs achats, ils achèteront toujours une bonne partie des shows. La perte pour totem serait minime.

Certains shows réguliers sont également ennuyeux et gagneraient en qualité (à mon avis) s'ils possédaient une partie xxx.

[quote] because xxx fans spend more on games and stuff. [/ quote]
Pure guess or do you have any information on this?

[quote] ’they will lose more collectors [/ quote]
Don't worry, a collector will remain a collector and if a handful of them reduce their purchases, they will still buy a good portion of the shows. The loss for totem pole would be minimal.

Some regular shows are also boring and would improve in quality (in my opinion) if they had an xxx part.

Pure supposition ou avez-vous des informations à ce sujet?

Juste une hypothèse (j'ai commencé la phrase par peut-être!). Nous ne savons même pas s'il y a vraiment une tendance vers plus de xxx.

Il se peut que xxx ne soit pas plus populaire, juste plus rentable, parce que les fans de xxx dépensent plus pour des jeux et des trucs.

La traduction me donne ceci, désolé si j'ai mal interprété ! @Pantalone

I get really tired of reading "you can get plenty of what you want on other sites, so go away and let me have just what I want on iStripper," an argument which comes from both sides of this debate. No, you can't. Yes, you can find many hardcore sites on the Internet, and yes, you can find many softcore sites on the Internet, but iStripper is (at best) one of the very few producers that puts the model right on your taskbar to interact with, or makes her available to insert into a custom scene of your own. You simply cannot do that with content from other producers, whether hardcore or softcore.

@Captain15

Is that what Istripper is doing now? Catering to people like you who don't even like the product?

You mean, "who don't even like what I have determined the product should be." Such hubris.

While that is true we also see here that there are people that avoid cards that are tagged "bare feet" or its absense despite also being able to disable the offending clips. For the "harder tags" the effect is likely to be stronger.

It may be so for some users - but generally speaking facts (not speculations) are that in 2020 out of 20 most sold cards, 17 were XXX.

Je suis vraiment fatigué de lire « vous pouvez obtenir beaucoup de ce que vous voulez sur d’autres sites, alors partez et laissez-moi avoir exactement ce que je veux sur iStripper », un argument qui vient des deux côtés de ce débat. Non, vous ne pouvez pas. Oui, vous pouvez trouver de nombreux sites hardcore sur Internet, et oui, vous pouvez trouver de nombreux sites softcore sur Internet, mais iStripper est (au mieux) l’un des très rares producteurs qui met le modèle directement sur votre barre des tâches pour interagir avec, ou le rend disponible pour l’insérer dans une scène personnalisée de votre propre. Vous ne pouvez tout simplement pas le faire avec du contenu d’autres producteurs, qu’ils soient hardcore ou softcore.

Il est toujours bien de faire et de refaire cette mise au point! 👍 It is always good to do and redo this tune-up! 👍

It's disappointing that XXX cards are better-selling but not surprising.

In recent months, plain and XXX content on iStripper did tend to have a good balance.

What really is "disappointing" here, is that a part of users (which since I joined the site has always been the fans of plain content) feel themselves to have right to decide which content has the right to be here and which sort of content should not belong here and be eliminated - so, practically asking the fans of XXX content to be deprived of the clips they like.
I never saw the XXX fans asking the dance nor the stripping nor the tease clips to be eliminated from iStripper, instead.

You don't like XXX content?

• If you like the model or her outfit enough to buy the card, buy it and simply disable one or two XXX clips;
• if you don't, don't buy the card, and buy only plain cards - there still are tons of them, here.

I will repeat: on iStripper there is (and there always should be) a strong variety and enough content to please both plain and XXX show lovers; so, no one should ever be asked to "go away and look elsewhere for what you like" by anyone among the "opposite faction"...

Just had a very quick scan through the Best Sellers 2020 list - I'm only missing one show and deleted one, but looks to me like only 4 cards were table only, and all the remaining XXX cards had plenty of standing and pole clips. I think some are worrying too much about this. iStripper is making shows to appeal to as many customers as possible, and perhaps the old problem no one is 100% happy about it. Not much in this world is 100% - couple of things perhaps 😄
The old saying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_taxes_(idiom)

What really is "disappointing" here, is that a part of users (which since I joined the site has always been the fans of plain content) feel themselves to have right to decide which content has the right to be here and which sort of content should not belong here and be eliminated - so, practically asking the fans of XXX content to be deprived of the clips they like.

Fortunately, only Totem decides, for the good of us and this unique product 😎

Fortunately, only Totem decides, for the good of us and this unique product 😎

Heureusement 😊
Mais Totem consulte également le forum et pourrait être influencé dans ses choix.
Donc si quelques-uns se plaignent de trop de x, d'autres doivent également faire valoir leur opinion.
Et voilà comment un débat s'installe 😎 (à apprécier ou pas 😆)

[quote] Fortunately, only Totem decides, for the good of us and this unique product 😎 [/ quote]
Fortunately 😊
But Totem also consults the forum and could be influenced in its choices.
So if some people ***** about too many x's, others have to make their point as well.
And this is how a debate sets in 😎 (to enjoy or not 😆)

So if some people ***** about too many x's

Problem is, what will be seen as "too much"...
I remember I saw "that's far too much" complaints in past years even about the 25% - 30 % of XXX cards which was being released at that time -- Truth probably is that some "plain fan" simply would not want to see even a single XXX clip here.
So, I am with @stefnev1 consideration...

@Philours
Oui, Totem consulte le forum et on s'aperçoit d'ailleurs que certaines évolutions du logiciel viennent de là, ainsi que le choix de certaines filles, tenues, pratiques dans les shows. Mais le critère essentiel (pour toute entreprise d'ailleurs) c'est le bénéfice à l'arrivée et quand quelque chose rapporte bien, on la garde.

Yes, Totem reads the forum and we can see that some software updates come from there, as well as the choice of some girls, outfits, routines in the shows. But the essential criteria (for any company by the way) it's the benefit at the end and when something pays well, we keep it.

D'accord avec cela @stefnev1
Alors si vous permettez : "Heureusement, seul Totem décide, pour son bien, le nôtre et celui de ce produit unique "😀
Agree with that @stefnev1
So if you allow: Fortunately, only Totem decides, for his own good, ours and that of this unique product 😀

@Philours 👍

Fortunately, only Totem decides, for the good of us and this unique product 😎

Je pense que le client au travers de ses achats initie la décision de Totem.

I think that the customer, through his purchases, initiates Totem's decision.😉

at the end and when something pays well, we keep it.

Nous y sommes.

Here we are.😆

I think that the customer, through his purchases, initiates Totem's decision.😉

That's also true. Recently XXX cards have been, practically, the most sold ones. Therefore her amount has been increased...
Anyway it is just sales to "speak", and to influence Totem decisions about what to do, not - for sure - the continual complaints (and also the sorts of threats not to be going to buy anymore) done by some people, a "vociferous minorance" which blames Totem about just being increasing amount of what such people don't like but currently sell best...
practically same thing did happen about SECs.

We may be seeing more XXX cards recently but that could be a by-product of model availability.

We have been seeing a high proportion of models from Spain so it may be that we have hit a rich vein of talent at a couple of Spanish Agencies that specialise in pornstar-type models rather than nude models or dancers.

Do you remember back in March/April 2020 when all the models seemed to be coming from France and a high proportion were nudity-only, not even going so far as full-nudity. People ***** a lot then about the LACK of XXX 😆😆😆

These things are cyclical.

You mean, "who don't even like what I have determined the product should be." Such hubris.

No I mean people who don't even like what the main product is or sadly was. Not what I determine it should be. Don't twist my words and say that's what I mean.

So, yeah I get it, money talks. And I've bought every Crystal Clear dancing show there is and I haven't bought a XXX show in years (although I won a bunch from games). Yet the last 7 shows (and counting) are XXX, so I guess there is nothing I can do. There is no way the dancing shows will have a chance to be better-selling now that they are hardly ever released. Who knew there were so many people with a back-of-the-hand fetish.

No I mean people who don't even like what the main product is or sadly was.

That's it right there. The tastes of Totem's customers have changed over time but yours has not. You long for the "good old days" when VGHD catered more to your preferences, like someone who laments that "they don't make any good music anymore." It certainly is your right to remain steadfast in your taste, and to lament that the market has changed, but you can't reasonably blame Totem for adapting to the changes and following the money.

iStripper will become iMasturbation very soon. I have also noticed a decline in quality of the girls. Very few Metart and Femjoy models stripping these days and tons and tons of tattooed silicon porn stars masturbating in XXX cards.

From a collectors standpoint I can sympathasize with what you are all saying. Many of you loved that it was a niche program that catered to softcore. You feel it's changing to cater to a new crowd but if they did not someone else will take that money. The iStripper app is really neat but another company would just swoop in. From a business perspective it wouldn't make any sense for them not to expand and appeal to more people. It's working and that's why I'm here.

Hi @ezwip :)

I picked two Statements from your Comment which are these ones,

From a business perspective it wouldn't make any sense for them not to expand
and appeal to more people.

It's working and that's why I'm here.

and i have to fully Agree! with you. 👍
But there is something more which i want to share according to your Comment.
Disclaimer first! this is not to insult anybody, this is only another random perspective
for the Situation. But i guess it will at least trigger a few individuals,
but like i was saying ... i can't change that.

It is from an Episode of Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares and i picked the matching Timestamp
for the start, and the important part is from minute 2:06 until 2:28.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RieQK4JJAA&t=126s

And here is what this Beautyful looking Lady saying:

I think we have to change something.
You can't worry about what the old farts think.
You got to get in the younger people and the middle age people,
they are gonna be your Clients for the next ten years.

And yes she is absolutely correct, and she knows how to run a Business absolutely,
because you have to try new and different things to be Successful in the Long Term.

We all are getting older and Times will always change,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_eZuOTBNc

it is what it is and no one of us can't change this circumstance, as much as we want that.
But i'm pretty sure if Totem would still listen to the old farts their Business wouldn't exist any more.
Or at leats it would become less Successful.

But feel free to watch the full Episode from Gordon to maybe be able to see what i mean.
Because they made a change and they were getting Succesful with that.

And if not ... well then i would say you still can enjoy your Content which you were coming
to this Platform in the past.
Because it will stay in your Collection as long as Totem can run their Business.

And @ezwip by the way, Like your Avatar 🔥 just saying :)

These things are cyclical

Oui à l'instar des cycles de menstruation, la société saigne de partout...

Yes, like menstruation cycles, society is ***** everywhere...
😆

There is no way the dancing shows will have a chance to be better-selling now that they are hardly ever released.

Encore faut-il trouver de vraies danseuses exotiques et je pense que c'est devenu très difficile car perso je n'en vois presque plus depuis plusieurs *****ées. Une miss qui vient sur scène et qui n'est pas du métier ne fera rien de captivant ou d'envoûtant.

But you still have to find real exotic dancers and I think that it has become very difficult because I personally have hardly seen any for several years. A miss who comes on stage and who is not from the profession will not do anything captivating or bewitching.

It certainly is your right to remain steadfast in your taste, and to lament that the market has changed, but you can't reasonably blame Totem for adapting to the changes and following the money.

C'est difficile à admettre mais il faut faire avec.

It's hard to admit, but you have to deal with it.