I've seen models, and even cheerleaders, inside a tank, a combat plane, with martial arms, as ancient warriors, with any type of firearms and any type of dungeon stuff.

When I see a model in leather holding a whip I'm not thinking that she is a dark ages torturer. She is just a model playing kinky.

If she is holding a firearm, and you like firearms, she is just a girl playing with a prop and you can imagine, if you like, that she is using it just as a phallic prop or you can imagine her as a ruthless *****. If you imagine death and ***** with the VG stuff, well, surely you see that everywhere.

And yup, actually, girls here had used a wrench, a duster, a tennis racket and many many other stuff. And it is sexy, cause, again, all those props are phallic props they use to tease. The dancing pole is a giant phallic prop. Never saw them rubbing against it, pretending to jerking it and even licking it? All is just fantasy and all is related to tease and arouse the male audience.

If someone wants to see anything but a girl playing with a symbolic phallus, in a porn site on top of that, surely plenty stuff keeps ya awake at night.

Re: I've seen models, and even cheerleaders, inside a tank, a combat plane, with martial arms, as ancient warriors, with any type of firearms and any type of dungeon stuff.

Yeah and politicians, too. Some how the more familiar I am with an object the higher the standard I set for someone else who is shown with one. I'm not saying that right or rational. It's just the way I'm built. A model sitting in an airplane's pilot seat wouldn't bother me, but if she grabs the prop, I'd be bothered. (I fly small propeller plans and getting near the prop is a big time safety issue. I seem to recall a model was injured by walking into a prop a few years ago.)

You guys are just focusing on the negative uses of guns, to ***** or ***** others. But guns also play a very important self defense role. When I see a girl with a gun I don't feel like she will go on a shooting spree at any moment, instead I see someone who can defend herself against an aggressor that could be many times her size. That's why they call guns the great equalizer.

And about the gun props used in several shows, no one is taking that role seriously so I don't see how anyone can pick up any bad habits from watching a stripper mishandle a gun. That's like trying to learn how to ride a motorcycle from watching Carla Pacini's Fast and Sexy card. If you're looking for proper weapon familiarization, this is the last site on the internet to look for it.

Those are also guns in my state.

This really needs to be put to a stop. It's nothing but one member's crusade against the girls using PROP guns.

Politicians?

What in the world that has to do with anything said here?

Who cares if somewhere in the world someone got ***** using a prop? What are you talking about? What is so delicate about a model playing with a toy gun? The model in a plane never took off, did she? What is the right way for a non-pilot model on a plane to pose for a photoset? Do you think a girl that gonna pretend a toy gun is a dick by licking it should first take a firearm training at the FBI headquarters?

VG is just fantasy, is not even a real striptease club. If all you see is how a hot girl getting naked is holding improperly a prop, I would say... What prop?

Not a crusade (a Religious war) a Question

Personally I ***** guns but I understand that it can be a turn on for some. That said I think the girls should be taught some basic manners on how to handle a gun before you have them use it on camera. Yes, here it's all fun and games but in real life real guns *****!

I have one example of a clip I've urged the team to remove for years... it depict Jana H putting a gun to her head, "fake" pulling the trigger and blowing the smoke from the barrel of the gun. To me this is extremely offensive!

a0172_98110 is the clip in question.

This said there's one card where the gun is a nice addition in some clips and that's Karina - Hands Up! (77). In this one there are some acrobatic clips of her rolling onto the screen handling the gun with great skill. Cool but really not that sexy...

Crusade's aren't only religious wars.

They're also........Any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.


I think we've had enough of this......."If I don't want to see it, no one should be able to see it" crap. I find THAT to be extremely offensive.

You don't like a card that depicts a girl handling a gun, don't buy it. If you get it in a sub, don't download it. If you've downloaded it and realized you don't like it, delete it. You don't like a certain clip in a card, delete it.

Stop trying to control what other members can get.


I'll say it again.........This needs to stop.

@CV
"some members need to stop campaigning for the removal of clips that other members are quite happy with"

If it was me you were talking to please address me directly. If not I'm sorry but it sure sounded like it was directed at me.

Let me clarify one simple fact. This is a forum to discuss the content of VG. Totem have known my stand on this clip for ages and I have no intention to "campaign" to have it removed. I simply used this clip as an example of the type of gun clips that I don't think are appropriate in a sexy software like VG. Stating that the girls should have at least some basic knowledge on how to handle a gun before going on camera.

If you read and understood my whole post you see that I acknowledge the fact that there are users that want this content. Still I do not and It's my privilege to say so.

Maybe you are of sound mind CV, but what if some one that is not watches that clip and have a go with it...?

!

I made the mistake of letting my pet bird watch VGHD . . an look what happened.

Thank goodness I never let the bird watch DeskBabes!!!

@jununger,
'Maybe you are of sound mind CV, but what if some one that is not watches that clip and have a go with it...?'

in any newscast you see more guns than here on vg or any video game. and what you see there are REAL guns and REAL dead people.

"but what if some one that is not watches that clip and have a go with it...?"

The world would have one less moron to conrend with later !...

Jun, that's a soppy argument...what was someone so stupid doing viewing VGHD...where were the parental controls?...why wasn't that patient attended by nurses ?...It just goes on forever with no-one taking responsibility for their own actions !...
Ban everything !...then you'd have clips of girls feigning self strangulation....eventually some brain dead plonker would try it !...:)

@CV
You know English isn't my native language. What I meant was that I years ago asked Totem to remove this clip. They decided to keep it and that's the end of that.

@Space and DD
That question was meant rhetorical as we all know there's not one simple answer to that question. We all are influenced by all we see and experience and we are all accountable for our own actions.

That said every person with authority to decide what is aired in news, every person who decide what toys or video games to release, and every single clip that Totem release, they have to be prepared to stand accountable for. It's as simple as that and still it's one giant greyzone... walking through a minefield blindfolded in a thick fog. Cause you never know how people will react.

I still find it a bit hilarious. Here I am again, posting ONE single post, and everyone goes nuts... What do you think of me? I'm not God and I have NO say in what Totem does with their products.

Not sure if I should be flattered or just laugh at this silly charade. =)

Cheers! And Let the Ladies Dance!

Well, let's ask straight from the Girls, what do they think about it... was it wise thing to do by Jana H...?

Let's see...

the only silly thing is that a member starts a poll about a accessory he don't like.
i also don't like everything from the accessories or the costumes or the hairstyles ect. but for me that's no reason to start a discussion about.

sometimes you feel here like in nursery school.

Seriously, there's no reason getting personal here. And this is certainly not the right place for politics. After all those clips with "guns" are only meant to entertain. You like that? Good, its a matter of taste. Enjoy! You don't like it? Fine! So don't buy those clips. Yes, it is actually that simple! ;-)

We're based in France, most girls are from eastern Europe and our sensibility to guns is different because they are not a problem here.

In the past we let the girls use the guns without any real control, so whatever they found fun ended on the screen.

It has been changed for a while now, you can still see guns in model's outfits as an accessory if it makes sense, but they won't hold it anymore.

Also, we never used any real guns, they're all BB guns replicas.

Some people seems to forget that
this is a place for model photoshouting

the only dangerous thing for the models may be to fall off the swing or slip down in the bathtub I think

and the rest is to inspire our fantasies - and they are free - like I said in my last post "Tastes are different" - so everyone be a bit more tolerant please ;)

I must be in the wrong reality again, because this thread has taken a trip through the ***** and surreal...;)

Interactive props are good. They help a model focus, feel more comfortable playacting and can build a sense of fun that people enjoy...

Static props are really just eye candy and don't add anything to a show...

Both have merits and detractions. You're about to make something interactive, static... please stop...

@REX and All..
"It has been changed for a while now, you can still see guns in model's outfits as an accessory if it makes sense, but they won't hold it anymore. "

I'd ask you to re-consider this position...

I haven't expressed my Opinion here.
I think the model Holding / Pointing / using a Gun is Appropriate if the Outfit supports that sort of Role.

She is an Actress, putting on a performance. It's Role play, getting into Character..

Of course, holding the gun, and Using it in an Inappropriate manner are two different things..
You would never hold and then look down the Barrel.. Or Point it at your self..
or insert it as a phallus

But Role Play / Getting in to Character, by Holding, Aiming, Shooting...
I find that perfectly acceptable.

Let's not forget that We all are, Adults that View this Product..


and I think CV said it well..
"CENSORSHIP WINS AGAIN".

this is Me Posting - not as a MOD, but as me a member here..

What will be Next on the Censor List?
No Swords, No Knives, No Bats or Batons

Some members might find them Offensive as well..
"They ***** too in the wrong hands..."

For Gawd SAKE people...

They are a Prop... like any other...
If the model is comfortable using the Prop, that's her choice...

If it offends you, don't buy the Card, or Delete it...

STOP ***** your dislikes onto others..
This world has to STOP all the Political Correctness BS..

you can't say that it might Offend some one..
you can't show that it might be offensive to someone..

it sickens me... "all this Don't Offend someone BS."

The Classic "Merry Christmas Office Party" says it all...
http://mistupid.com/jokes/page011.htm

@all
Don't misunderstand me here. I do not like guns, and I delete most of those clips, but if they are used in a proper way they can add something to an outfit (like the card by Karina I mentioned above). It's the careless use by models without any guidance I'm against. In that sense I'm glad that the Team has added some restrictions on the use of guns.

@REX
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Why have guns at all if the girls wont use them? Will they be laying on the floor or how do you mean? Can you give an example from a card that's been released?

I'd like to add this to the "Forum > Ideas > How would you like VG and DeskBabes to look like?" Thread.


I don't want to see the product being changed by a couple of anal retentive members whining about something they don't like to see in the clips.

Err...

What's the point to have a prop and not using it? More than that, what's the point to have a prop in an adult performance and not using it in a sexy way or to tease the viewer? When this site started to emulate a high school musical? When "veracity" had anything to do with porn?

Rex, your audience is an adult audience, an adult audience looking for sexy and sexual entertainment. No directive about the shows content should ever be based upon other thing than effective, quality, erotic entertainment.

Each and every model I saw here eating an ice-cream cone was not just "eating" it, she was teasing with it. I don't care if she knows the righ way to eat an ice-cream cone or if she is eating it following the good manners or the etiquette. The ice-cream cone is there to add something funny and kinky to her performance. And each and every prop, no matter what it is, should serve the same objective or is just a waste of time and end up looking dumb. Roleplaying is nice to see when the model has some acting skills, but still she must end up using everything to deliver the hot stuff, not to gather some applause as if she was doing some school play for her parents and teachers.


Harshie, good one, pretty funny. ;)

CV, might I interest ya in some Batarangs I'm not using. They are all damaged, but still make a nice doorstopper or something, lol. I won't sell them to Totem since someone watching a model with those might start thinking he is Batman and might try to toss them to people in the streets. ;)

What's next?

OK, let me add my 2 cents and it has very little to do with guns.

I think Totem should publish a wide variety of cards including some that some members probably won't like. The risk is that some cards may not sell too well. The payoff is an occasional "out of the box" success. To try to please everyone is to narrow your customer base to eventually one unhappy customer.

Certainly Totem should pay attention to what the market actually buys and most of the cards it makes should be based on this understanding, but Totem should at least occasionally try something else. It's the only way to discover new tastes.

I'm not real happy with models with guns, but I have purchased a number of cards of that type. I can decide what I like and occasionally waste a credit on something I don't like. I'd like to have to opportunity to choose from the widest possible variety of cards.

@Rex don't change anything. Just add Guns to the virtualgirl more filters section ;)

Re: @Rex don't change anything. Just add Guns to the virtualgirl more filters section ;)

Excellent idea.