To put this into true context, when a card first goes on special offer it can sell the 400 cards in about 20 minutes. Can any of the voting members give an example of a poll that has had 400 votes cast? Surely 400 votes would demonstrate true popularity of the polls.

Let's be absolutely clear, nobody is trying to abolish polls, the only point being made is that they are clogging up the forums so a better way has to be found to manage them unless of course you want this forum to wither away through a gradual loss of contributors.

i see somethink like that.

I don't understand the ***** about not finding information anymore.
What kind of important information can be found in the everything about girls section that isn't already sticky????
For Problems we have the problems & bugfixes section that is still without polls. And for some other info about vghd we have the new user section where also information that might be important can be found.
For artworks we have the artworks section - no information but great pictures can be found there.
Anyway i suggest to severin24 to make a break in the contest for a week or til the next weekend so the annoyed users can relax a bit. But i would like for his UMV Playoff to be allowed to finish. A lot of users enjoy this and i don't think that they should have their enjoyment taken from them not to mention the work this meant for severin24.
It can't be in Totems interest that this forum is known as a place where having fun is not allowed because it annoys some users.

From what I've seen the polls are positively encouraging contributers to use the forum. I've seen some people posting to the poll threads who I've never seen posting anywhere else.

Besides that, all of Severin24's polls are part of a single, round-by round "knockout" competition. Once the competition is over, the poll count on the forum will go back to normal.

Also Totem would do well to take heed of the results of these polls. In my opinion they give a much better indication of the girls popularity than the highly flawed rating system.

To allow easy access to important information without removing polls, user pictures etc. why not set up a quick way to access the last twenty posts by the totem team and the last twenty posts by moderators, in the same manner as we currently access the last 50 general posts.

I think the problem is not to do polls, but a significant number of polls in a short period of time.

I agree with Starryk except for having a break in the polls for a week. I think the sooner the competition finishes, the sooner the forum will go back to normal and the sooner the miserable killjoys will be satisfied.

i think we can always find a solution, that is the more important find a solution for all users. but that take time.

for the moment the more quick i see is no place limite of 10 for the choose pool. then this will reduce the number of pool.

Oh do keep up Spacephantom, nobody is being a "miserable *****" all that is being sought is bringing a little reason to the situation. Nobody is advocating deletion or abolition of the polls and it is fairly obvious that there are substantial numbers of people that have come down fairly & squarely in favour of some element of poll management being introduced.

I think Alerte's point about a significant number of polls in a short time is a sensible comment and it has been unfortunate that as per the 8th post in this thread, Peterboy1975's 27 polls were immediately followed by Severin24's 35 polls which has exascerbated the situation.

I've put my point in favour of the creation of a separate polls area, what's the problem with that?

I agree too for a "poll sections" without limitacions, were everybody can have fun, but I steel can not understand wath a kind of problem you guys have against a too much poll in the forum. Sorry, but if you don't like a poll, just don't read it, where is the problem? I don't like this kind of noise thath many people are making in here, we are just trying to have fun with poll and without poll, and I personally didn't find anything of wrong in that,
Exuse me, but this is my opinion.

I was probably the first to ***** about the excessive polling so I understand the reservations being expressed above.

Since then I've tried to get into the spirit of it. Enough members are enjoying those threads that I don't see the *****. It is the Christmas season for FOOKS sake so where is the love for your fellow man?

If there is now a sudden concern for Totem's server space, the user artwork section, which certain members have been endlessly abusing as free back-up storage for their screenshots and assorted doodlings, needs to be addressed. The interminable proposed girls threads- one of the OP's predilections- contain thousands of large photos that no one really cares about. And the Actual Special Offers thread serves no real purpose either. Other users ***** in this thread are also gifted at filling the forum with nonsense and their brainstorms du jour, as I am as well.

Online forums are messy. The vast majority of members don't read the forums or care. Deal with it.

Hum, let's see. The "spaming" issue it's not related to the number of polls or threads, but the visibility of those in the front page of the forum and the way the system works. If i or anyone happens to stop a little at the forum and place 5-10 short posts in different threads, the front page suddenly becomes the "me" page. And that happens with everything and with everybody here at different times of the day: polls, art, opinions, technical advises, jokes, goodbyes and hellos, etc.

So, instead of trying to put hancups or absurd limitations to the liberty of expression of other members, improve the view of the front page. It's pretty easy, really. Keep visible the last 3 posts in every forum section in the front page, so no topic or user can take over the whole front page at once, and all the sections of the forum keep their visibility and show their latest updates.

If you are determined to go after the polls, allow the OP to place new polls inside the same thread.

Continue from above.

It's all about design and functionality, not about likes or dislikes.

The usefulness or not of any given topic or participation here it's very debatable and that discussion, the way it's been focused, is opening a can of wurms. What's next? Number of pictures, number of posts, time limit per user, only one comment per thread?

Never ask for limitations, ask for improvements.

A couple of users made an storm out of nothing about a clip in one show, and now we have the dullest VG ever.

Make an storm about a little nuisance in the forums and you may get a boring and deserted forum, that right now it's vibrant and full with content and participation.

@Rex, if you want people to do less in the forum, try to make your site more entertaining and give the users more things to do. There'a forgotten section called "ideas". Take a look. ;)

This really isn't about polls. It is about having a popularity competition.

I think it is quite normal that some active members in the forum would want to take part in a competion to select the favourite form girl. This site involves real girls and the active forumites like show their preferences, especially as they do not take the rating system seriously.

Also, this has nothing to do with polls. You could easily do this competition without polls just by listing the girls and ask for results in the comment section. In fact, the second round threads have partly taken this format anyway. Its just that the polls are the most expedient way to vote, given that there are n real competitions of this nature anyway.

And what is all this talk of not finding things. Before the competition started we were getting one post every few hours sometimes. At least there is something relatively interesting to do and think about. Whatsmore, it is relevant to the site and interests some members.

Oquijan made some Very Insightful Observations, that should not be lost in the melee of Opinions !!!
Censorship and Limitation as a Quick Fix, only lead to Self-Conscious Postings and then Apathy !!
Spontaneity is the life Essence of a Forum, and should not be restricted, or even encouraged, but left alone and not analysed !
Keep the Members interested in Site Evolution and Self Regulation will follow !!!
Until the Next Time, that is !!

And alas I thought all was well here in VGirl land. The debate had been brought back within the realm of sanity, particularly by the posts of Oquijan and DIDGEDRUM.
But then..............

Oh, yeah,,@gouzer,, what a cute little typing error on a member name,even with my cataracts I noticed it ......... Oh,,wait,, I bet it was actually supposed to be a cleaver play on words,,,,How stupid of me not to laugh

@gouzer: whatever your problem is, why not share it with me privately ???

Hmmmm not too sure if you really want a private discussion, his profile states:

Occupation: Cyberspace Drifter.

Into:
A Guy
??????????

Am I wrong or isn't that the site 2 doors down the hall?

Come on, gouzer, talk this out in Private ! You Misunderstood something, somewhere !

don't bother about the cakey !!!

Spacephantom,gouzer and others, this name calling ***** will not be tolerated in any of the forums, whether it be a poll or what ever, just can the name calling and behave like grown people.
And no, nobody had to tell me anything, I can read perfectly well and I DO read in all the forums, polls and all. I don't catch everything, nobody's perfect, but I do catch a lot.

ONE MORE DISRESPECTFUL INCIDENT TO ANY USER OR STAFF WILL CALL FOR A VACATION OF THE GUILTY PARTY. I DO HOPE THIS IS UNDERSTOOD !!

That's all I have to say on this matter, keep it clean and respectful dammit !!!

Give the "Polls" their own catagory and also "keep them off" the last 50 posts board. It would be no point to create a new catagory and have it flood the last 50 posts board with endless polls. Restrict the creation of a poll to this board. Those whom are intrested (or want to create a poll) can enter the "Polls Board" and have their fun and those that are not never have to see them!

I just want to make it clear that I didn't call any specific user a derogatory name. I was using the words "miserable" and "killjoys" (notice the plural) to make a general point - i.e. that there are a relatively small number of users on this forum who seem intent on spoiling it for others and generally making it a less fun place to be. If any specific individual has taken offence at my comments, then they obviously struck a chord, but I do apologise for the offence caused.

If the true intent here is genuinely to improve the forum and stop it "withering away due to a loss of contributers". You guys are going exactly the wrong way about it.

All I'm saying is lets all lighten up a bit on this issue and cut each other some slack. Lets just keep it fun and stop engendering bad feeling over such a trivial matter.

Although I still disagree that such drastic action in this matter is necessary at all, I have to say that Kidcadet has a very good point here. How would creating a forum section just for polls change anything if they still appear on the last 50 polls board and on the community front page?

Oquijan also made some excellent points in his earlier posts, and I completely agree with him. Improvements rather than limitations are the only real answer.

Good idea «to create a new category». I suggest to name this category «Senseless polls». Last year I have offered idea «voting for ideas” and wanted the serious relation to any voting.
http://www74.virtuagirlhd.com/us/forum_post.php?foId=8&ftId=3826&forum_search=voting
Now votings have got comical character.

In the same last year I have offered idea «Miss Virtuagirl”.
http://www74.virtuagirlhd.com/us/forum_post.php?foId=8&ftId=4880&forum_search=miss virtuagirl
This competition should be organised Totem and only Totem.

I have to disagree. The only reason this thread was created was because my polls and no one else's. So if my polls stop, then the whining stops and this thread's pointlessness becomes clearer. "Senseless polls" is quite insulting to anyone doing a poll because there are senseless and pointless threads all over this site so why designate polls deemed "senseless" to a corner as if they are not worthy anyone's time? Is it truly hard to skip over what you do not want to read? I guess so. My poll-making days are done if it incites such a revolt among people against a person exercising freedom of speech.

As for a Miss Virtugirl competition - how does it being organized by Totem make it any more important than by a user? The winning girl will be disagreeable in the opinions of the users because each has their own Virtuagirl. It was created out of fun but some people sure know how to drain the fun out of anything.

@severin24: Don't stick your head in the sand now. Many users here like your polls and don't want you to cancel it in the middle.

Lets wait what Totem team does now.
I agree that senseless polls is no good name.
A polls section however without restrictions is a good idea the only good idea that i read here. Stop this regulating everywhere. This leads to nothing but loosing our freedom.
A Miss VirtuaGirl competition hosted by Totem would be fine but does one user here honestly believe this is likely to happen?
If so then i can only say:Stop dreaming!! If we want such competition we have to organize it ourself. And Severin24 did this in a quite inventive way. So let him finish this competition now. After that i'm quite sure no new poll wave will start.

Ah, and that's the main issue here: the (one week?) polls fun excercise of Severin24. So then again extreme measures will be adopted for one user's behaviour and a fistful of complainers, hu? Even thought his behaviour hasn't been chaotic or disrespectful with anyone, he is getting his share of ***** just for making an innocent game that many, yeah, many follows. His polls attracted often 100 or more votes and wasn't him who constantly put his posts in the main forum page, but other users posting on them. Uninteresting threads bump out quicky out of the spotlight, interesting threads shows over and over again.

Let's not call the new section "senseless polls", but the Severin24 law.

Ok, let's play along. Here're another topics that should be buried somewhere, cause they "spam" the same or a lot more than polls and someone must find them annoying:

Make a new category for all the endless proposals for new gilrs and their pictures. It's pointless cause only Totem chose the girls.

Make a new category for all the newbies asking for help on the same issues. I don't care, i'm not a newbie nor the customer service.

Make a new category for those with technical questions. If it's not my problem, why should i care?

Make a new category for all the jokes and funny pictures, cause sometimes i'm just not in the mood.

Make a new category for all the posts and info about DeskBabes, cause this is the VG forum and i don't care for a different product.

Make a new category for those who praise Totem.

Make a new category for those critical to Totem.

Make a new category for those obsessed with a single girl.

Make the news category the only visible one and don't let the users post in it.

@Severin24 If you want to keep with your game, PM me the details of your next poll and i'll post it using my "right" of one poll per week.

you nailed it Oquijan.
I make the same offer to severin24 too.
Lets show them what a community is and what working together is.

But you got a bit over board with the new sections.
Some of these already have an own section(new user corner, Problems and Bugfixes);-) But i get the idea behind it.