I believe totem needs to be more clear about the level of nudity in its shows. I understand the challenge in recruiting talent and there is certainly a customer base that appreciates girls who tease but don't do much else. In the last month we have seen:

Tanya
Anastasia
Kristina
Isabelle
Jessika

This is a large chunk of the shows that were shot BEFORE the pandemic. And none of them seem interested in perfoming a fully nude show. This is fine but they need to be labeled as nude art in their tags so the customer knows they will hide their privates during the show...or only show for fleeting seconds.

Hopefully I am wrong but I see a company making a boat load off of gambling, casting girls who don't want to peform a fully nude show, likely because they are cheaper, and then not being honest about the level of nudity. 1 5 second flash does not constitute a fully nude show.

PS: It isn't the casting that bothers me...I save money because I don't buy but...it is the poor labeling of cards which seems purposeful that bothers me.

I am not against nude art models, dancers and so. I like really a lot some of the models of the above list, instead.
That said, getting 5 new models who don't do any "open legs" show in approx. only 2 months looks to me, however, a little too much.

I think, anyway, that variety is always to be promoted; for the sake of clarity and in order to avoid complaints of any sort, I would propose, so, to get 4 different labels for published cards (instead of the two ones now in use), which could be:

• Nude art card;
• Full nudity card;
• Explicit card (which could group cards which are now labeled as XXX);
• XXX card (under this label I would group shows which contain all, or almost all, clips of level 5; as old "Deskbabes" ones had, and also some more recent experiments that I liked much - so that I would like they to go on, andso to get, e.g, 6 such cards published in an year.

Rather than change the rating system or add another set of classifications on top of the existing system, with all the difficulties and incompatabilities that it would entail, I would much rather that Totem make a summary of the clip list. This summary can be created automatically as the information is already displayed in each card's clip list itself.

with all the difficulties and incompatabilities that it would entail

My proposal would not entail any such thing. I would simply make a new classification in a way that would be clear, simple and precise; which would, so, not have any difficulties and would be easy doable. I repeat:

Cards with clips up to level 4 would be labeled as: Nude art card
Cards up to level 5, without sound: Full nudity card
Cards up to level 5, with sound: Explicit card (as they look, btw, to already have been labeled in new beta)
Cards up to level 5, with sound AND containing more of 50% clips of level 5: XXX card (or whatever name would look appropriate)

Having so precise rules, such a classification would also help us to immediately clarify our interest in a card and in its purchase just seeing its label - that means, in an easier and more immediate way than having to look for the clip list, open it and examine it attentively in order to make a decision.

Rather than change the rating system or add another set of classifications on top of the existing system, with all the difficulties and incompatabilities that it would entail, I would much rather that Totem make a summary of the clip list. This summary can be created automatically as the information is already displayed in each card's clip list itself.

Clip tags are inaccurate...if the girl is a nude art model, it needs to be explicitly stated or they need to stop casting them. For girl in between like Jessika who is just shy and uncomfortably the cards should just be taggd as nudity...even if she slips a little full nudity in...we have girls inserting fingers that are tagged as full nudity on the clip, and then girls who spending 1 second revealing get the same rating.

The problem with all of these suggestions is that they increase the work that has to be done. There is no practical way to change the clip level tags (unless you want the system used for old cards to be different to that used for new cards) so you would have to classify the cards using a seperate system to that for the clips implying extra work for each card that is released. To do it properly you would also have to do this work for all existing cards.

I'll try again to explain what I am proposing.

There is no practical way to change the clip level tags

Which - as I already pointed earlier - was not asked for.

you would have to classify the cards using a seperate system to that for the clips

Such a thing is already in use: we already have "plain" and "xxx" cards. I just would like to change criterion.

I proposed 4 labels, instead of 2 in use, to classify both new and old cards, not clips (which would, of course, stay with the same tag they have now). New classification, would be, indeed, based on existing (and staying on) clip tags - so it could work both with old and new cards.

My request, as pointed, was such a scheme:

• Cards which contain clips up to level 4 would be labeled as: Nude art card
• Cards up to level 5, without sound: Full nudity card
• Cards up to level 5, with sound: Explicit card (as they look, btw, to already have been labeled in new beta)
• Cards up to level 5, with sound AND containing more of 50% clips of level 5: XXX card (or whatever name would look appropriate)

Each label could have a symbol, in order to get an easy identification in Store.

I know practically nothing about computer programming, but I know for sure that a procedures as assignment of such new labels (with precise rules I just proposed) to all cards - new and old, past and future - basing on existing clip classification, could be quite easy, and, also, totally automatized.

@HansSachs

I just did an analysis of the f series cards in my collection. I only have 486 of the 600+ f series cards. From those, here are the number of cards by the percentage of XXX clips. 86 of my 486 cards are 50% or more XXX. I can't tell exactly how many have sound, but most of them probably do.

Percent XXX Number of Cards
10 43
20 159
30 81
40 67
50 38
60 25
70 14
80 7
100 2

Clip tags are inaccurate...if the girl is a nude art model, it needs to be explicitly stated or they need to stop casting them. For girl in between like Jessika who is just shy and uncomfortably the cards should just be taggd as nudity...even if she slips a little full nudity in...we have girls inserting fingers that are tagged as full nudity on the clip, and then girls who spending 1 second revealing get the same rating.

I am in basic agreement with @orclover - not about stopping casting girls who don't display (as I enjoy seeing a beautiful girl strip and become naked without necessarily needing to "look inside her") but about consistency, or the lack of it in how the cards and clips are classified. Take three cards as examples

1) Anastasia in "Naughty In My Boudoir". Card was classified as only "Nudity" and in clip 17 you did actually get a clear view of genitalia for around 5 seconds
2) Tanya in "Artistic Tease". Card was classified as "Full Nudity" and in one clip only you saw a rear view of her genitalia for around 2 seconds - less than Anastasia provided in a "Nudity only"
3) Elis in "On or Off". Classified also as "Full Nudity" but in this you had multiple clips where Elis provided considerable views of her genitalia and even managed a light fleeting rub.

So with that amount of variation, how am I supposed to make an informed choice and know what to expect?

I don't think the category system should be modified. It works as is and modifying it now would entail a rather intensive overhaul of both the app and the many of the member created extras (play list generators and scenes for example). There are over 4500 cards with an average of 13 or so clips per card that would need re-review which is a gargantuan undertaking and likely wouldn't even be considered by Totem.

In my opinion we would be much better served with Totem's attention on fixing the various bugs in the app, bringing us new features and getting us a more diversified group of girls to strip for us.

Grab a beverage of your choice and I will explain my postion:

First, the criteria for the different levels:

These rules have been posted elsewhere but I don't have the gumption to dig them up and link them here. And I have paraphrased them slightly to make them more coherent in this format. I have the actual list because I am interested in this issue, but they are in excel format and I don't know how to post that sort of thing here if it is even possible.

L1 = essentially fully clothed to the point she can walk the streets (well... maybe only the beach in some places) and not get arrested. Partial view of breasts including aureola is allowed but without nipples showing.

L2 = "Topless" which is where visible nipples (either bare or under sheer top) come in but also include other things such as hazy view of vulva through sheer panties, hands momentarily under panties but no suggestive rubbing, ***** to moderate suggestive/erotic rubbing over panties or seeing partial vulva/labia with panties still on but no 'pink' or anus visible. For duos girls kissing with clothes on is also included.

L3 = "Nudity" which is panties off/full nudity but no explicit behavior, no pink or anus shown and no suggestive rubbing of vulva. For duos two girls kissing with nudity and no explicit behavior.

L4 = "Full Nudity" which starts getting into sexually explicit behavior by showing anus or open labia (showing inner 'pink') rubbing of vulva in an explicit manner but not achieving orgasm (real or imagined) but also includes 'erotic rubbing UNDER clothes', sucking a dildo or putting it under her panties and for duos: full nudity with some ***** caressing of the other girl's breasts or vulva area.

L5 = "Explicit Behavior or XXX" which is insertion of anything into the vagina/anus or masturbation to apparent orgasm of any kind. for duo's any oral to genital/anal genital/genital rubbing or contact (to exclude kissing on mouth or breasts which is L4)

Notice that nowhere in that list is there the term 'open legs'. A girl simply opening her legs so we can see her labia does not constitute L4 behavior (unless her labia opens and we can see 'pink') and is rated as L3 if the rules are strictly followed. Closed labia viewed from the rear is still L3 unless we can see anus as well and then it is L4.

HEY!!!!

WAKE UP!!!

I'M NOT FINISHED YET

Also you need to keep in mind that these ratings are applied by humans judging what other humans are doing. Every clip has to be viewed separately and often more than once to make sure all the criteria is met or not. It is entirely possible to miss a split second view of anus or pink and do we really want the clip rated higher for a split second glimpse anyway? I would prefer to have those very short and probably unintentional glimpses ignored in favor of the majority content of each clip where the erotic level ratings are concerned.

And to carry that a step further, do we really want a whole card rated L4 when there is only one or two clips that may have some very small amount of L4 action and the rest of the card doesn't? I think not, imo. Doing this will help ensure that the buyers expectations are met without significantly overdelivering. I'd call the little bit of extra a bonus and those that don't want to see it can toggle the filter to nudity and below in settings. I just checked and L5 cards will play with the nudity and below filter set. You just don't get the L4/5 clips.

I don't know this for sure but I kind of infer that the erotic levels are assigned during the actual shooting of the clips and that sometimes the girls do a little less or more than what the clip was originally supposed to be but the clip still goes to post production that way. The catch then becomes, that the folks in post production and QA have to diligently review each clip to make sure that the level of erotic content meets the standard of the level it was assigned. And this is only one of the very many things that each clip is reviewed for.

And later when QA doesn't find the rated explicit activity and reports same back to post production, it needs to get reviewed by those that can actually make changes in a timely manner. This is because "QA" is some of our members who volunteer their time to check the various new cards and don'...

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And later when QA doesn't find the rated explicit activity and reports same back to post production, it needs to get reviewed by those that can actually make changes in a timely manner. This is because "QA" is some of our members who volunteer their time to check the various new cards and don't have the capability to actually make any changes, which must be done by Totem's in-house post production team.

However, sometimes things slip through the cracks and a polite mention of the issue in 'please fix these cards' will get it put on the list to recheck and change if warranted. (And no I don't want to debate how long it may or may not take for the team to act on those reports as that is a separate issue from this.)

HEY!!!

STOP NODDING OFF!!!

The best is yet to come!

With all this said, I really don't think that the rating system needs tweeking and all the work that would entail. The rating system is in place and it works as advertized for the most part as long as it is judiciously applied with some common sense, which also mostly, it is.

Our responsibility as members is to know what the different levels really mean and to only report/***** when they don't match up.

That being said I do agree that there have been some 'liberal' interpretations of what is and what is not L3/L4/L5 behavior recently and I understand folk's ire over buying an L4 rated card (or whatever) only to see a couple split second glimpses of the rated level with no other action happening to meet the criteria in the rest of the card. As mentioned above, report it appropriately and know that you have participated in the QA process in a positive manner for all concerned. With all the warm and fuzzy feelings that come with it.... 😉

If you bought a card that doesn't measure up and you feel strongly enough about it, just log a customer service ticket POLITELY explaining your position. The team wants you to be happy with their product and if you have a case they will certainly take action to make it right.

And lastly I also agree that we have had a real glut of barely nude willing models recently which I personally find somewhat disappointing. 😒

I'm done now, you can go back to sleep after sending your rightous flames my way...🔥

Thanks for listening!! 😊

⛔⛔

PD48

P.S. yes, if you haven't guessed it yet, I have been one of the few proud members of the QA team for more than a year now so please feel free to heap all your negative energies and angst on me where this issue is concerned. Not that I have the power to do anything about them but if it makes you all feel good then feel free!! 😎😈

Of course positive comments are welcomed as well but those tend to be somewhat scarce around here so are not really expected.

I enjoy being able to contribute to the quality of the product and hope that the efforts of those of us in QA help Totem stay successful long into the future!!

@Pickle1

So with that amount of variation, how am I supposed to make an informed choice and know what to expect?

This is why I and several others have asked for at leat a summary of the clip list be made available prior to purchase. It would be better if the time spent in each clip at its highest level was available as well so that we could distinguish between clips that reach "full nudity" or "XXX" for only a second or so from those that maintain the level for longer but that information is not available anywhere in the system so it can't be shown..

I agree with everything that @pumpdude48 has said in his previous three posts.

Of course, in retrospect, a better system could have been used from the start but changing things now is pointless.

@Pickle1

So with that amount of variation, how am I supposed to make an informed choice and know what to expect?
This is why I and several others have asked for at leat a summary of the clip list be made available prior to purchase. It would be better if the time spent in each clip at its highest level was available as well so that we could distinguish between clips that reach "full nudity" or "XXX" for only a second or so from those that maintain the level for longer but that information is not available anywhere in the system so it can't be shown..

I agree with everything that @pumpdude48 has said in his previous three posts.

Of course, in retrospect, a better system could have been used from the start but changing things now is pointless.

I don't think it needs to be an organizational debacle like changing or adding tags for thousands of cards. I just think..from now on...totem needs to clarify either on the card ui, through the director notes, or a new tag that the card are nude art. They have subtely told us this but the lack of clarity is troubling and the reviews for the cards of the nude art girls are very low considering how beautiful the girls are...Anastasha is barely sitting at a 4.09...which means a bunch of people bought the card and were not pleased.

I agree - the director's notes are probably the best place for such information.

Of course positive comments are welcomed as well but those tend to be somewhat scarce around here so are not really expected.

I enjoy being able to contribute to the quality of the product and hope that the efforts of those of us in QA help Totem stay successful long into the future!!

Thanks pd48 - that must have taken you some time to put that response together. Very clear and factual and much appreciated. And thank you to you and the other unknown QA team members for your efforts on our behalf.

This set of three icons appear in several places in the GUI, in particular on a card's main details page, on the releases carousel and when you start to buy a card from the girls store. If the mouse pointer is hovered over the "quality" icon a rather detailed description of what the particular quality shown in that icon means, but nothing happens if you hover over either of the other two.

I think that much of the problem being discussed here arises from users not being fully aware of what the various hotness levels mean. This is not surprising because the names of the levels can be somewhat misleading if they are thought of as descriptions. They will almost certainly not be immediately understood by new users.

This could be aleviated if the Hotness Level indicator had a similar pop up description to the Quality indicator - one that explicitly mentioned that the duration of maximum hotness may be brief. There should probably be a similar pop up description for the total duration indicator as well, but there is less need there.

I see that my proposal is not liked &/or not fully understanded, so I will stop with it...

They have subtely told us this but the lack of clarity is troubling and the reviews for the cards of the nude art girls are very low considering how beautiful the girls are...Anastasha is barely sitting at a 4.09...which means a bunch of people bought the card and were not pleased.

Anyway I will always point that, as for the few "full XXX" cards recently published, also for "nude art" ones solution is very simple. I personally like both types, and I see no reason for totally stopping producing them.
But, also, getting some form of identification whatsoever for such cards is necessary and urgent if company wants (as it should) both: appeal people who could like and buy cards of such types, and avoid complaints by people who may not like them.
Endly, I'll use this post also to say thanks to all members of QA team for their work and efforts.

This set of three icons appear in several places in the GUI, in particular on a card's main details page, on the releases carousel and when you start to buy a card from the girls store. If the mouse pointer is hovered over the "quality" icon a rather detailed description of what the particular quality shown in that icon means, but nothing happens if you hover over either of the other two.

I think that much of the problem being discussed here arises from users not being fully aware of what the various hotness levels mean. This is not surprising because the names of the levels can be somewhat misleading if they are thought of as descriptions. They will almost certainly not be immediately understood by new users.

This could be aleviated if the Hotness Level indicator had a similar pop up description to the Quality indicator - one that explicitly mentioned that the duration of maximum hotness may be brief. There should probably be a similar pop up description for the total duration indicator as well, but there is less need there.

The levels are pointless because they aren't trustable. There have been enough instances of misidentified cards that a person can't look at those and know it absolutely won't contain any xxx, or that it will show full genialia.

Totem has broken cards that they don't or won't fix and they have broken tags that they won't and don't fix. I chalk it up to the fact they are a quantity over quality product. They rely on releasing new content every day and therefore something 30 days old is 30 releases old and already in back of customers minds.

They simply need to tell us, like they did with Margo, that the model isn't comfortable with full nudity, or they aren't paying the model for full nudity.

This is ***** totem. Some very beautiful girls are getting trashed in their reviews and ratings because people are buying cards and expecting a normal experience for their money. They instead get a girl covering herself. If totem was more transparent fewer people would initially buy the card but the ratings would be higher and the card would sell better over the long run, and customers wouldn't be distrustful of other cards.

If totem was more transparent fewer people would initially buy the card but the ratings would be higher and the card would sell better over the long run

Of course!

The levels are pointless because they aren't trustable. There have been enough instances of misidentified cards that a person can't look at those and know it absolutely won't contain any xxx, or that it will show full genialia. Totem has broken cards that they don't or won't fix and they have broken tags that they won't and don't fix. I chalk it up to the fact they are a quantity over quality product. They rely on releasing new content every day and therefore something 30 days old is 30 releases old and already in back of customers minds. They simply need to tell us, like they did with Margo, that the model isn't comfortable with full nudity, or they aren't paying the model for full nudity. This is ***** totem. Some very beautiful girls are getting trashed in their reviews and ratings because people are buying cards and expecting a normal experience for their money. They instead get a girl covering herself. If totem was more transparent fewer people would initially buy the card but the ratings would be higher and the card would sell better over the long run, and customers wouldn't be distrustful of other cards.

Perfect analysis!!! Like in football and mathematics etc. the best solution is the simplest solution: make a tag Nude Art Model.

Sophie Lilith and Dianna were also in the category.

Perfect analysis!!! Like in football and mathematics etc. the best solution is the simplest solution: make a tag Nude Art Model.

That could be a good solution.
It could be added also, a tag "fully XXX" show for new cards with all or most XXX clips such as f0575 by Gia Ren.
In any case, I'll go a little off-topic but I would like to point that I have nothing against Nude Art Models, but I also can not understand why some of them, while don't like to show genitalia in videos, have no problem to get lots of full pussy shots in their photo sets; as, e.g, Dianna and Isabelle.

This set of three icons appear in several places in the GUI, in particular on a card's main details page, on the releases carousel and when you start to buy a card from the girls store. If the mouse pointer is hovered over the "quality" icon a rather detailed description of what the particular quality shown in that icon means, but nothing happens if you hover over either of the other two.

I think that much of the problem being discussed here arises from users not being fully aware of what the various hotness levels mean. This is not surprising because the names of the levels can be somewhat misleading if they are thought of as descriptions. They will almost certainly not be immediately understood by new users.

This could be aleviated if the Hotness Level indicator had a similar pop up description to the Quality indicator - one that explicitly mentioned that the duration of maximum hotness may be brief. There should probably be a similar pop up description for the total duration indicator as well, but there is less need there.

After thinking about it...I do believe you are right. I noticed that Anathasia and Jessika both have nudity only cards and it is pointed out on the card. Jessika is an enigma because half her cards are nudity only. So did they pay her for only one day of full nudity? Did she decide to get shy, or the opposite? I still don't trust the identifiers because it is easy for a girl to flash accidently or move so quickly that a viewer can't enjoy the view but totem is generally labeling them...it is obvious, on the card. I knew that Tania was a nude art performer but her few seconds of genitalia is actually more than she shows anywhere else. I just am not going to pay for only a few seconds as that doesn't constitute a full price show for me.