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Minimum spec to run 4K

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pickle1
MODERATORE
Da In Mar 2019

1353 post(s)
January 13, 2020
This may have been asked before or be posted elsewhere, but....

What is the minimum spec I need on my computer to be able to display 4k cards?

I have downloaded 3K cards to my laptop and the poor thiung has slowed to an absolute crawl trying to run them, so I am currently stuck on 720p resolution.

Any suggestions gratefully received.
POPEYED
Da In Jul 2013

1342 post(s)
January 13, 2020 (edited)
Well I'd imagine you need a 4K monitor to truly enjoy the 4K quality (obviously)...I have a 1080p/165Hz monitor but still 3K shows on the 1080p res look noticabely better (to me)...more crisp/smooth... (placebo effect?)

What are your pc specs if you don't mind me asking?
pickle1
MODERATORE
Da In Mar 2019

1353 post(s)
January 13, 2020
It's a Lenovo Ideapad 110-151BR with an Intel Pentium 1.6GHz processor, 8GB RAM on a 64 bit operating system. I can connect via HDMI cable to a 4K TV.
POPEYED
Da In Jul 2013

1342 post(s)
January 13, 2020
Yeah you are going to need a faster processor than that XD

I have:

Windows 10/64-bit
Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor
Radeon RX-580 8GB
16GB DDR4 RAM
MSI 27" monitor (1080p/165Hz)

I am using a display port cable for the 165Hz

I can run ten 3K cards without any stuttering but I never actually watch that many at once...at most 5...
Dorsai6
Da In Apr 2013

1033 post(s)
January 13, 2020
I'd imagine you need a 4K monitor

At a scale setting above about 70% a 4K card will look a bit better than a 3K card on a 2560 X 1600 display. On a 4k display it's a whole lot better.
pickle1
MODERATORE
Da In Mar 2019

1353 post(s)
January 13, 2020
Thanks Popeyed. I've been looking at the performance stats and with iStripper open it is taking 5% CPU and 580mB memory. With one girl up and running that has gone to 25-45% CPU and 800 mB RAM. I'll try upgrading a card to 4K, run it and look at the stats - which may point to what power I need.

Again - thanks for your input.
pickle1
MODERATORE
Da In Mar 2019

1353 post(s)
January 13, 2020
Well - Kaisa Nord upgraded to 4k interestingly uses less memory (around 400mB) but processor usage goes up to 50-80%.

Which gives me Kaisa in slo-mo whether I want it or not.

Time to buy a new processor!
Wyldanimal
MODERATORE
Da In Mar 2008

4000 post(s)
January 13, 2020
The amount of Memory used depends on 3 things.
Resolution of the clip
Length of the clip in seconds
Streaming of the clip

If the Last two, are the same

then an Increase in Resolution will cause an increase in the amount of memory used.

Currently the App itself is developed as a 32 bit app.
It can use a Maximum of 4GB of ram.

So you will need 4GB of Ram Free for the iStripper app to use.
above and beyond what all other apps are using.

a system with 8GB of ram should be ok.


When / If the App is released as a 64bit App
I would say that 8GB Ram for the App will be sufficient.

So a system with 12GB or 16GB or ram.



cdub87
Da In Apr 2008

397 post(s)
January 13, 2020 (edited)
Well - Kaisa Nord upgraded to 4k interestingly uses less memory (around 400mB) but processor usage goes up to 50-80%.

Which gives me Kaisa in slo-mo whether I want it or not.

Time to buy a new processor!

At the least a 9th Gen Intel or a 2nd Gen Ryzen. Everything else is obselete and probably won't be too future proof. The 1st gen Ryzen stuff will be super cheap but don't buy it. It took the fight to Intel for multi core but the single core performance just isn't there and I always had weird lagging on my 1700X no matter what I did.

I have a 4 core /8 thread Ryzen 5 2500U I can throw iStripper on and see how it handles 4K on 1080p display.
POPEYED
Da In Jul 2013

1342 post(s)
January 14, 2020 (edited)
I'd imagine you need a 4K monitor
At a scale setting above about 70% a 4K card will look a bit better than a 3K card on a 2560 X 1600 display. On a 4k display it's a whole lot better.

Well obviously...but I am not paying some ridiculous fee just for 4K resolution...I could care less about the rest of the features of a "premium membership" lol
Dorsai6
Da In Apr 2013

1033 post(s)
January 14, 2020
I could care less about the rest of the features of a "premium membership" lol

I agree, however I do have a 4K display and the extra quality is worth the very small extra cost I'm paying.
POPEYED
Da In Jul 2013

1342 post(s)
January 14, 2020 (edited)
I agree, however I do have a 4K display and the extra quality is worth the very small extra cost I'm paying.

I'm sure that it is...still not paying a single cent simply to watch 4K shows on my 4K TV...I wouldn't use a TV to watch shows on in the first place...a gaming monitor is much better imho but whatevz lol

And don't even get me started on 8K TV prices!!! 😆😆😆
HansSachs
Da In Mar 2016

989 post(s)
January 14, 2020 (edited)
I could care less about the rest of the features of a "premium membership" lol
I, instead, like much the other features of my Premium membership. Above all, the discount on all new cards. And also the Joker card i got.
cdub87
Da In Apr 2008

397 post(s)
January 14, 2020
I could care less about the rest of the features of a "premium membership" lolI, instead, like much the other features of my Premium membership. Above all, the discount on all new cards. And also the Joker card i got.

Think a lot of people over looked getting the Joker card. I acquired all the new SECs without using mine but it's still nice to know if a new one comes out and I don't want to jump through hoops I don't have to. And the additional discount is another cherry on top.
Kassiopeia77
Da In Feb 2009

12 post(s)
January 15, 2020 (edited)

Currently the App itself is developed as a 32 bit app.
It can use a Maximum of 4GB of ram.

So you will need 4GB of Ram Free for the iStripper app to use.
above and beyond what all other apps are using.

a system with 8GB of ram should be ok.


When / If the App is released as a 64bit App
I would say that 8GB Ram for the App will be sufficient.

So a system with 12GB or 16GB or ram.

Thank you for sharing this information. That explains a lot.

The work computer has 64 GB RAM and the laptop 12 GB RAM.

Clips with just video mostly work fine without slow down.
But as soon as audio is playing as well some clips start noticeable to slow down.

Totems customers are paying money for new hardware to run 4k clips but then the Istripper app itself is the bottleneck and not using all the RAM customers actually would have available.

What is the point of adding an option to preload the clips instead of streaming them when some of the 4k clips with audio would benefit from more than 4GB of RAM?

Can you share how long customers will have to wait for a 64 bit version of the app?
Wyldanimal
MODERATORE
Da In Mar 2008

4000 post(s)
January 15, 2020
Totems customers are paying money for new hardware to run 4k clips but then the Istripper app itself is the bottleneck and not using all the RAM customers actually would have available.

What is the point of adding an option to preload the clips instead of streaming them when some of the 4k clips with audio would benefit from more than 4GB of RAM?

Can you share how long customers will have to wait for a 64 bit version of the app?

The Most I've experienced a Single 4K clip using on it's own was about 1.2 GB of RAM.

I haven't experienced a low RAM issue until I had more than 5 Girls in 4K playing at the same time.
I have even managed to get 10 4K clips playing if I selected the clips based on Time Carefully.
So that All the clips combined would fit within the available Memory to a 32 Bit App.


So the 32 Bit App Memory limit really doesn't become an Issue till you start to play More then 5 4K sized clips at a time.


The Issue you describe using Music, would not be a Memory issue, so much as a CPU processor Issue.

Streaming of the Clips allow the Clip to Start to play once enough of it has been loaded into Memory.
But Now you are also putting a higher Load on the CPU. Backfill the Memory and PLay the CLip and Music

Turning off Streaming of the Clip, might add a short delay, as the Entire Clip must be Loaded into Memory before it begins to Play. But that reduce the CPU load a bit..

Also, Playing a 4K clip on a Non-4K screen eats up TONS of CPU cycles.
Every frame of the Clip has to be Reduced in Size to fit your Screen.

So the same that has been said many times before applies.
Use the Clip Resolution that Best fits your Screen Size.

This will make the Best use of your CPU cycles.
Resizing gets very Hungry. That is the same for Up sizing or Down sizing the clip.




JonnBGood
Da In Jul 2018

248 post(s)
January 15, 2020
@Wyldanimal Is there any point in trying to run something in 4K when all I have is max 1080 screen? I can't see the difference is this just a memory hog for me?
POPEYED
Da In Jul 2013

1342 post(s)
January 15, 2020 (edited)
I, instead, like much the other features of my Premium membership. Above all, the discount on all new cards. And also the Joker card i got.

I mean if I was more active on the site then yeah the "premium" features would have more use for me, but as of now they don't really serve me any purpose...but hey who knows...things always change! 😎
cdub87
Da In Apr 2008

397 post(s)
January 15, 2020
@Wyldanimal Is there any point in trying to run something in 4K when all I have is max 1080 screen? I can't see the difference is this just a memory hog for me?

I'm not wyldanimal but have heard him say it many a time - pick the resolution that's goes with your monitor. 4K on 1080p is having to be downscaled and unless you have a powerful PC it's just going to work harder and run hotter. That said I can see the difference as I have a 1440p 144hz monitor and the 4K is amazing. I want to sometimes cut off my older 3K cards as they don't come alive as the newer cards do.
HansSachs
Da In Mar 2016

989 post(s)
January 15, 2020 (edited)
Is there any point in trying to run something in 4K when all I have is max 1080 screen? I can't see the difference
We can discute about opportunity to use 4K and 3K on lower resolution screen.
But for me it can not be denied there is a difference (which for my eyes it's a quite big one) in crispness and in detail going from 1080p to 3K and from 3K from 4K - on a lower resolution monitor, also.
TallandSlimMan
Da In Apr 2008

466 post(s)
January 15, 2020
I have a new 4k monitor. I would say in my experience that there is a noticable difference going from 3K to 4k. However...the difference is not as large as going from 1080p to 3k..not even close.
POPEYED
Da In Jul 2013

1342 post(s)
January 15, 2020
Hmmm...I am just curious if I will see a noticable difference in quality from 3K to 4K on my monitor hmmm...
Wyldanimal
MODERATORE
Da In Mar 2008

4000 post(s)
January 15, 2020
@JonnBGood
Is there any point in trying to run something in 4K when all I have is max 1080 screen?

It all depends on the rest of your system.

If you have the CPU grunt to play 3K and 4K clips, then YES. Use them. Even on a Lower resolution screen.

There is a noticeable advantage to the 3K and 4K clarity, even on lower resolution screens.
But you MUST have the CPU grunt to take advantage of it.


At Home,
one PC I have is a low level laptop with a 1366 x 768 screen.
It can run 720p clips well. and it even runs the 1080p standing clips ok.
but a 1080p table clip with sound, it struggles with.
I can hear the sound stutter and even see it in the playback.
It can't run a 3K clip smoothly, so I don't use 3K or 4K on it.. It Can't handle them...


All too often, I read about playback issues, choppy sound, the video isn't smooth...
and then you later find out that the member
doesn't have a system capable to use the resolution of clips they are trying to use.

That is why, I recommend to use the clip resolution that best fits the Screen size.

Many Laptops, only had enough CPU performance to Support the Screen size they came with.
Trying to use a 4K clip on a 1080p laptop screen, might not give the best results.


But on the other hand, a PC or Laptop with a powerful CPU, Might be able to handle the 4K clips on a Lower resolution screen.

So while I say, Use the resolution that best fits your Screen
I really mean...
each member will have to select the clip resolution that performs best for their overall system.






JonnBGood
Da In Jul 2018

248 post(s)
January 15, 2020
Thank you Wyld
cdub87
Da In Apr 2008

397 post(s)
January 15, 2020
And for best results make sure your LCD panel is a IPS. The color reproduction is second to none. My 1440p is a VA panel type and it does a wonderful job but I do miss my IPS 1080p color pop.

https://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php
Kassiopeia77
Da In Feb 2009

12 post(s)
January 18, 2020


So the 32 Bit App Memory limit really doesn't become an Issue till you start to play More then 5 4K sized clips at a time.

Thank you for your detailed reply.
There certainly are a lot of things to consider.

What I can add for completness sake:
  • Streaming is disabled
  • the model clips are located on the NAS so both laptop and pc can access
  • the laptop has a native resolution of 3200 x 1800 but is attached to an external 4k display
  • I created a lot of custom Fullscreen scenes that use 3-4 duplicates of the model to "simulate" shadows and reflections in combination with masks

The point I tried to make:

Some customers may have some non standard setups.
With a 64 bit version of the app they probably would not experience any slowdowns.
With a 32 bit version of the app there are limits what can be done without running into limitations.

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