Here's a short reflection on the VirtuaGirl Classic cards released this far...

Although the graphic quality is lower than the new HD cards the content is way better than most of the cards released in the past two years of VGHD. The girls look more relaxed and playful. The content is a great mix of soft teases and naughty explicit stuff. All in all the content quality is way better than much of the sleazy porn acting seen in many of the recent VGHD cards. And... one more thing... many of the outfits are more crazy fun than the standard two piece top/bottom set.

So... what conclusion do I draw from this? Well, first of all it looks like much of the innocent and fun has been lost along the way. Secondly, the focus on "porn stars" has robbed us of really good actors and dancers. Everyone can spread legs and perform bad and sleazy acting... but few can be naturally innocent, fun and still erotic and sexy.

One more reflection: The old cards were about 10 minutes of high quality... while many of the new releases are up to 60 minutes of nothing. Please... I want quality, Not meaningless quantity!

Not everything was better before but looking back it's obvious that Totem has lost something along the way. So, Please try and find your way back to the innocent and fun... =)

Cheers!

PS. About the poll: feel free to comment on your vote. DS.

I voted for the recent VGHD cards, simply because the classics don't have pole dancing clips, and I'm a sucker for good pole dancing ;-)

hm I voted 'About the same' . I think recently we had some very good cards. I only name Chelsea French and Natalia.Especially these 2 definitely look like they had fun.
I agree however on the outfits. The seem to be more standarized now than back then. Also the props on stage were more interesting(if I look at Linda Trans show).
Also you shouldn't forget that Totem now releases only their best vg2 shows. To compare a best of with the ongoing releases seems unfair to me. I never had VG 2 but I'm sure they also had not so great models and shows.

I have not been a part of VG long enough to know the classics, so I did not vote because I really don't know.

I do want to know, however one thing: Are there any classic cards of Jana H before she got her boob job? Because I've seen pictures of her with her natural set and she looked soooooooooooo much better then.

I compare VG2 to the childhood days for totem, It had innocence and happiness and from what I've seen from the flash animations, the girls were really having fun and not putting on fake pacades. there were a few shows that were like that when VGHD first started out but like anything, all good things must come to an end. As VGHD grew and expanded, it lost it's innocence and happiness along the way, much like when we all grow from childhood to adulthood. so it's basically up to the girls in the new shows if they want to have fun and please us. So far the new shows are average at best, save for a few like Chelsa, Abby, and Monika which still retain some quality of innocence and happiness but still can't be compared to from what I've seen from the early days of VGHD and the previews of VG classic. So I hope Totem doesn't become an old grumpy prudish old fart lol. If there is some way to reclaim that lost innocence, then a lot of people would be ever so grateful to see it again. So yes. The VG classics and the early VG shows had better content IMHO.

Well,, speaking as a old grumpy prudish old fart, I of course voted that they have better content:) They are certainly a pleasant change from the majority of cards and girls that Totem is putting out. I am still awaiting the announcement that the black girls have been lost or can't be redone. This will enable me to become even more grumpy and fart more:)

we selected the best of the best to be released at first for virtuagirl classic so it's no surprise they seem above the current production. but we've been having the same talk at the meeting today, woa, those cards were really good and they should inspire us more for the future girls to be shoot. we just brang out all the outfits used between 2002 and 2007 to play with them again and are looking at how we were directing girls back then to what we also feel is the true spirit of virtuagirl.

i'm glad you guys enjoy seeing the classic girls and we share the same views on where to go from now (not saying it's easy, but...)

well well well ...
and THE discussion starts once again.

Rex

"we selected the best of the best to be released at first for virtuagirl classic"

what does this mean !?

the best by the team ?
the best by selling or download ?
the best by "who" ?

in my opinion it s by far NOT the best ! Totem (Rex) has way better girls and animations hidden in his cellar .

pianogrinder

"I compare VG2 to the childhood days for totem, It had innocence and happiness and from what I've seen from the flash animations, the girls were really having fun and not putting on fake pacades. there were a few shows that were like that when VGHD first started out but like anything, all good things must come to an end."

THE END started when the first discussion started with the famous
"bottle incident" !
It ended with 2 teams.The good and the bad.Of course the good won and the result is what we were getting since this incident.

I always hoped and are still hoping Totem will bring us the fresh spirit back they once had .

regards

HHO

I like the Classic cards more, because I remember the shows and Totum has brought the spirit of those to the HD. @Swordfry it's nice of you to comment on a category that you haven't even seen yet. I'm sure that Jana H will be there by the time you reach the platinum status. don't give up, you'll get there.

Thanks for all the comments!

I agree the pole is a huge leap forward when a girl knows how to dance and I believe we have seen some improvement there since Totem hired the pole instructor. Can't argue with that one =)

I also understand that the ones first released are among the best of the old ones but still hope this is the standard Totem aim for when creating new cards for VGHD.

One last thing, the close up on the taskbar is also a huge improvement when used right. Here I wish the new girls be more interacting with the camera... that said, some girls have it and some don't and I know how hard it can be to push a shy girl to blossom =)

So, Rex & Team, Keep up the good work and let the girls dance and play =)

I'm looking forward to more Classic releases and hope Erica Rose is among them soon...

Cheers!


Ps. Great idea to go back and check some of the old outfits =)

nice to see that the team agrees with us about the content of the classic cards. Yes to have a look at the outfits used back then and include some of them into current production seems to be a really good idea.

Using the old outfits is fine, just as long as over-the-top makeup jobs (fine for the relatively low definition of VG2, but really not for VGHD) don't come back with them.

@SimWarlock I've seen all the previews for the classic cards and have liked most of what I have seen. One day I'll get to VIP ranking so I can enjoy these too. And yes, Jana H I will be looking forward to, she's the one that lured me into VG, lol.

Well, i have to get my new credit card to buy some tickets and watch this oldish shows, so i can't really say something informed about them. But i don't think that you evolve by going backwards, nor you should see the future with nostalgic eyes. The product changed, cause also the makers changed and got older. There's no such thing as coming back home, Joe. Or to be more evolucionist, what doesn't transforms, dies.

I don't think current VGHD girls to be inferior in any way to the V2 girls. There was a little more variety in types before, but that's it.

I've never cared about that "erotica" notion. Shows are entertaining or not, hot or not. If they are i'll keep buying, if not, so long. It was a terrible year that one of the cutting and fading. The product was evolving till you decided to stop the evolution and went backwards. That was your experiment to go back to "erotism" and we know what happened. That period is over and i don't like anything that smells like another attempt to bring those prudish notions back. I like my girls hot and explicit... and entertaining. And certainly i don't want a come back to the days where the cards had 25 clips with 15 of those with a completely dressed chick, nor want them to peel layers of clothing till i get bored to death. And i do like bikinis and other brief outfits.

Instead of doing the crab walking, i suggest you to keep the hot stuff as it is and look for new ways to present the shows. Try new things, learn new tricks and go crazy with untested ideas, bring new themes and never seen before outfits and improved routines. That, to me, is what will keep the product fresh and attractive.

Of course, all that is strictly my opinion. ;)

@Oquijan
I see you, like many others, have totally missed the point I was trying to make almost two years ago... and I guess there's nothing I can say or do to correct this miss understanding. So, please can't everyone just drop that whole episode and move on???

I'm not prudish... I just love tease and play =)
I don't care if girls deliver explicit or even X-rated stuff as long as it is labeled correctly and the show is good.

BUT... that's not at all what this topic is about so once again... please don't ***** this topic into that old mess!

What I love about the Classics we have seen this far is the quality of the performance. Talking about the quality of the dance, striptease and overall acting... and this has nothing to do with the level of erotica =)

Cheers!

I second Jununger's comment about leaving the comments about the bottle incident in the past along thwith the cutting and fading.

These topics were done to death 2 years ago and brough many people close to blows.

For the record, it was not about prudishness, but what Totem said thaey would allow AT THAT TIME. Notice emphasis?? Since that time, Totem changed their stance and openly said that they would allow more explicit. But again, now versus yetserday.

As for the cutting & fading, these were also long used options for Totem, going back maybe to VG1 (sorry can't remeber that far back) but now not used, maybe because of the outcry, maybe not. They never said

Lets keep the comments on the topic, not on the issues of the past.

Sorry Oquijan & HHO, this is not meant as a personal "wacK" I know that you both have strong & long held opinions, I just do not want this aspect to become a "hot" issue again :)

I dont know the quality of Classics cards, because they are too expensive for me. I know that they are "collectors" cards but it is still too much to spend 2 tickets for such old content. They are on the same price as current releases, that is not right I think... or current shows must be more expensive ;) or classics must be less that 2 tickets.

Well, i really wasn't mentioning that incident, jununger, but the aftermath. ;)

I'm all for improvements about those things you mentioned in your last post, but also i have to make my point about not getting those at the expense of anything else. Not that that is what you're asking for in this thread. But i dislike extremes and have to make my point about it. Again i'm not saying that you are. I'm more in favor of innovation than in going back to the roots, so to speak, and that's also a point i must make.

I concur with you about the outfits as i did in other threads, and i'm happy to see that Rex and Totem are aware that there should be more variety about that.

I'm also saying that i'm one of those customers here that put the sexy stuff before the dancing and other things. To me erotism and performance is equal to seduction, and after being seduced i want the full show to the max. If that can be more easily achieved by emulating old schemes of production and mixing them with the current hot stuff with no drawbacks, i'll be anxious to see what's next. ;)

Later edit: After reading my other post i think i should had made it more clear that i'm commenting about the ideas and not really addressing the OP, but Totem with my opinions. Certainly, i didn't mean an attack, jununger. Don't take it that way. ;)

I am reading comments in Classics cards, and there are many opinions that 2 tickets are too much for these cards. Any chance to see cheaper Classics?

Ive got to say im in a bit of a dillema about my vote as i like
both versions contents but do not think they are the same maybe
what is needed is somewhere in the middle it does look like the
girls were a bit more free to do their own thing on VG2 where as
on VGHD there seems to me to be more directing going on,
i guess some girls might not be good dancers and then rely more on
being sexy and vise-versa maybe they just need to let them do their
own thing on VGHD and leave all the directing for deskbabes it
might help the models relax and have some fun if there isnt to
much pressure on their performance to do something they are not
comfortable doing ,you know it must be like a test for them
all the pole dancing coaching then hey its exam time and i
dont know about anybody else but i used to ***** that type of
pressure always made me nervous i also dont mind if one girl
is more explicit than another as sometimes explicit does not
mean sexy :)
therefore i have not voted but thought my opinion worthy ohh
and some of the best strippers i have ever seen couldnt pole
dance but give them a chair,sofa or a bed ohhhh my god lol
even seen one using champagne and ice on her friend mmmmmm
on top of a snooker table now thats hot with extra giggles :)
maybe what im trying to say is that does every show have to
involve the pole? i like pole dancing as much as the next guy
but do all the girls have to do it??seems like you guys at
Totem just need to shake things up a bit get the big teddy
out again or the chair(get a new one if its still broken lol)
or some burlesque props like fans and feathers and make these
props as the focal point of some of the shows instead of the pole :)

I bought the classics as Linda Tran and Sunny Leone were my top girls from the old days. However I wouldn't have bought them had my old Stripsaver still been around. After an OS reload, on reinstalling VGHD it managed to scrub all my old collections - thanks.
The quality is a disappointment - but we are looking at stuff from 3 or more years ago. VGHD's studio hardware and our own PC's are far more powerful , running higher screen resolutions than ever - which is why we see the quality today.
The bottom line is I still will buy my favourite classics - but not as many, now that I see the quality really isn't anywhere near todays standards.

Are todays girls more boring - absolutely. Too many boring bikini's , too many white girls , too many boob jobs ......

@W1ldcard
If you have some way of proving your identity to Totem they may still be able to give you access to your old account on Stripsaver. But you probably need to know your personal Stripsaver serial number and user name to make this happen. I still have access to my old VG2 login.

I have bought 3 of the classic cards and at my present opinion, they are of very poor quality so far. If there was a claim, that they are remastered from originals, I can not believe these words. From what originals? From the shows or from original video records? Only good think about classics is, that the shows are carefully selected, playfull and that included photos are nice and sexy. But because I am basically about to watch them dancing and striping on my big big big computer screen, what I actually see is the blury blend. Would it be possible to increse the quality? If not, 2 tickets is too much and I will not buy any of them. I would certainly consider 1 ticket price, but the quality must be improved !!!

@Ogamiltto
I can understand that you feel the quality is poor when you compare with the latest Full-HD filmed cards. But considering the Team had to go back to the original "VHS" quality tapes and re-digitalize them I think the quality is GREAT!!! =)

Remember... back then the standard size was 768x576 px that means that in order to get any higher resolution the team have to zoom the pictures. Also remember that you cannot compare the camera and optic quality from back then with todays HD-cameras.

2 tickets may be a bit much... but consider you get all 5 outfits and all the bonus content and I still think 2 tickets is a fair price =)

Cheers!

Agreed with Ogamitto.

The company needs to be honest about what you are getting for 2 ticket price. Otherwise, it is just misleading and ripping people off, as shown by the many angry comments for these "classic" cards.

They have been... but I agree they could add some info about the lower graphic quality on the page for the classic cards. Not everyone read all the posts in the forum =)

I find they are much better when you run them in the "Screensaver Mode" such as Red Light Club. The size of the image is then a nice size for the screen plus you don't notice the lower resolution and quality nearly as much there and the classics do a full strip during each clip. I enjoy Sunny slippin' and slitherin' out of her buckskins:)

hello

it depends what you mean by "content" !

to me content is the girls and the shows as it s clear that the video quality can t be as high as the current standards


regards

HHO

CV your right it shows a 5 pack card. that's 5 cards for the price of 1. and Sunny was my first Classic card and it's a little shorter then the HD cards other than that I can't ***** about the quality of the shows