Was pretty disappointed this morning to see Liya's new XXX card has NO standing or pole clips. I know this community has had a lot discussions in the past and agreed that a model sitting on a table the entire time does not fit the definition of i"Stripper".

Same here

Diddo

Can't agree here. I prefer XXX cards with as much XXX content as possible.
So this is a great card for me. If you want striptease buy the standard cards and not XXX ones.

Nice, thanks for pointing this out, I'll definitely buy the card now (I like XXX).

I prefer XXX cards with as much XXX content as possible.

I too.
Solution is simple: just create a new definition and label, "XXXX" or so, for the few cards who have mostly XXX clips, in order to make them even more desirable for some people, and also to avoid complaints from some others.

The amount of xxx has been highly variable for a while now and it's really difficult to know how much you're going to get when you buy a card. Kay J's Victorian Secret was only about 7mins, where Liya Silver's Silver Lining was 21mins. And the actual striptease element is highly variable - some of Angelika Grays' best dance clips were on xxx cards. And I find that sometimes the xxx seems to be a natural extension of the strip act, sometimes it's pretty much independent.

This thread suggests that some xxx lovers are reticent to buy a card that might not have much xxx, where striptease lovers are reticent because it might have too much. I suspect that Totem are shooting themselves in the foot by restricting access to the clip list to people who've bought the card.

The solution, in the ***** of action from Totem, is for more people to include the clip count in the comments section.

1. I don't think Totem is going back to the old XXX-format, but probably there will be more of those old format XXX-cards since there is demand for those and Totem follows the money.

2. Totem should give information of what you can expect (cliplist). If there are no Standing and Pole clips in the preview you now already more or less that they are not in the card.

3. My preference are f-cards with Standing and Pole clips and a maximum of 10 minutes XXX-table clips.

If history has any saying, having cards that are exclusively XXX were a flop and Totem had to rethink the whole approach. Just stating the facts here.

Now my opinion: I'm not choosing a side and I have no issues with XXX content, happy to have more of it. But when it encroaches on the striptease aspect of it (the pole, specifically) I see a big issue. And for the users saying "Then just buy the the non-XXX cards" are totally missing the point here. How about standing up for all the users so we have a variety of content and not limiting to a certain demographic? More content for everyone. This is a win-win in my forecast.

How about standing up for all the users so we have a variety of content and not limiting to a certain demographic? More content for everyone. This is a win-win in my forecast.

For Totem it's not what any of us want, it's only about what sells best and makes the most profit for them. So they have to try new (and in this case old) things to see what sells well.

Well my understanding is that there are iStripper XXX and iStripper regular. If you prefer XXX then the XX collection are your best bet. The other regualr iStripper can has a xxx level too, but it will be a very small part of the cards.

I prefer the XXX and i like for the cards to have over half xxx scenes time wise. I do buy some of the regualr cards if it has an xxx scene or is model who has atributes that i like.

So if you dont like XXX buy the regular collection and turn off the one or two xxx scenes.

Either way there is no since *****, totem will do what it feels is best for its bottom line.

So if you dont like XXX buy the regular collection and turn off the one or two xxx scenes.

Some xxx cards are still good value, even when you turn off the xxx bit. For example I have Angelika Greys xxx cards with 15mins turned off and the result is a great striptease.

The issue is that until we buy an xxx card, we don't know whether we're going to get 20+mins of xxx and a bit of perfunctory tease or we're going to get a little xxx and a lot of dancing. Whatever your preference, you need to know roughly what you're buying. The comments and ratings often reflect the disappointment that many people feel.

Totem could adjust the rating system, as @HansSachs suggested, or give prospective buyers access to the clip-list. Either would reduce disappointment and probably increase sales of xxx cards.

Are we going back to the old XXX format?

I hope not. I much prefer the cards that concentrate on the strip and tease promised by the name of the program. For me any XXX content would preferably be a ***** added extra - at most 5 minutes per XXX rated show.

I am, however, greatly in favour of making a summary of a card's clip list being available to all before purchasing the card so that people can have a better idea of what they are buying than they currently do.

And my take in all this is that many XXX-fans seem to think that the more extreme the content is, the better. I have never been able to accept or justify this perversion...Instead I have simply hoped that the taste of Totem and limits of performers would meet perfectly somewhere in between...

I love XXX in the cards when done tastefully. I ***** anal, gagging, spitting, and other tasteless and sick performances. There are WAY too many of them. If you want anal sickness, just search the internet and download your freak shows at your hearts pleasure. But PLEASE do not make those disgusting acts available here in iStripper any more! There are already way too many of them.

I love XXX in the cards when done tastefully. I ***** anal, gagging, spitting, and other tasteless and sick performances. There are WAY too many of them. If you want anal sickness, just search the internet and download your freak shows at your hearts pleasure. But PLEASE do not make those disgusting acts available here in iStripper any more! There are already way too many of them.

Stop insulting me for my tastes.

Well, I probably won't have the energy to fight all the freaks and all their twisted sexual preferences, so don't worry... But I will be voicing my opinion on the desired content of the shows in the future.

Stop insulting me for my tastes.

Simply ignore. It's always the same chatter anyway. Nothing new.

While I personally like them much, I understand how "new XXX cards with mostly XXX clips" can not be favorite ones of "plain" cards' lovers. That's the reason I proposed a new label for such cards.

I would like to point also, however, that for me "usual XXX cards" have too few XXX content, too few table clips and too few sound.
Personally I think that a card in order to be labeled as XXX should have at least three XXX clips. Moreover, it should contain (which unfortunately most times doesn't happen) AT LEAST one "ordinary" table clip apart XXX ones. And all table clips of a XXX card (XXX and non-XXX ones) should have sound.

Well, I probably won't have the energy to fight all the freaks and all their twisted sexual preferences

And again I feel insulted by your post.

Personally I think that a card in order to be labeled as XXX should have at least three XXX clips. Moreover, it should contain (which unfortunately most times doesn't happen) AT LEAST one "ordinary" table clip apart XXX ones. And all table clips of a XXX card (XXX and non-XXX ones) should have sound.

Same for me. Half of the cards time should be XXX if a card is labeled iStripperXXX.

People wanting to see gagging, choking on dildo's, stuffing oversized fake dicks in their asses, deserve to be insulted.

How about wanting to see performances where the girls do what they enjoy doing? Something that is not tailored to any perverted, freak dumbasses who want to see the girls either in ***** or humiliated? Any interest in such videos?

People wanting to see gagging, choking on dildo's, stuffing oversized fake dicks in their asses, deserve to be insulted.

How about wanting to see performances where the girls do what they enjoy doing? Something that is not tailored to any perverted, freak dumbasses who want to see the girls either in ***** or humiliated? Any interest in such videos?

Yep! I’m a Perverted Freak and damn proud of it! As a matter of fact, I would love to see Oversized fake dicks inserted in Both holes, at the same time. If the girls so choose, I will Gladly watch. Lube and tissues at Hand 😉

I agree there should be clearer labeling. On Liya's card, they say "Full X show," and "For this card there are only 6 xxx animations," but that's ambiguous. Full X could mean "she went all the way," and "there are only 6 xxx" could mean there aren't more than 6 xxx shows. They should say, "There are no standing or pole clips," or "only xxx clips." I bought it, being a little unclear about it, and was a bit disappointed.

I just want to reiterate here (since it seems a lot of people have missed my point) that I DO NOT have an issue with XXX content, I actually really enjoy it. I am primarily critizing that a card with ZERO standing or pole clips is not the definition of a striptease, which is what most of us are here to see. So, again... I'd like to know if we are going back to old format of XXX cards where we have 100% table XXX clips. Recent cards have had a good 50/50 balance of about 15 mins of table XXX clips and 15 mins of standing. The complete lack of standing clips in Liya's latest card today came to me as a total surpise.

Hello,

Just a reminder everyone's sexuality and sexual tastes are different. I prefer more of the teasing, stripping, but I also enjoy when a woman pleasures herself.

Like someone else mentioned I find it to be a turn off when a dancer sucks on a toy and I'm not a huge fan of the toys. What is cool about I stripper is I can delete these out. Granted I'm left with less scenes, but I'm usually happy with the fingering scenes.

Variety is the key with the ability to click off scenes.

Full disclosure of what are the clips would be nice.

WayneStewart

I'd like to know if we are going back to old format of XXX cards

We have no indication that Totem is going back to anything, but I don't think you'll get a straight answer to your question. The all-table format only one format of xxx show that was deployed from time to time. It disappeared for a while, but Liya is on her take-2 and maybe the director wanted to differentiate the show from her others. It'll give some users a reason to buy it.

Stop insulting me for my tastes.

Both sides of this argument are sometimes expressed vigourously and anybody who expresses a view, including me, is liable to get their nose put out of joint. Good pushback - I usually just sit in a corner and sulk silently. I tell myself that the debate is pointless and we'll never agree. But a bit more disclosure from Totem about the content of each show might take some of the heat out of it. Then we can get on with bickering about the % of xxx shows....

@Dfner

People wanting to see gagging, choking on dildo's, stuffing oversized fake dicks in their asses, deserve to be insulted.

How about wanting to see performances where the girls do what they enjoy doing? Something that is not tailored to any perverted, freak dumbasses who want to see the girls either in ***** or humiliated? Any interest in such videos?

You can't insult peoples who have not the same tastes than you on this forum. You can say you're not agreed, but without *****. Everybody can't have the same tastes than the others, it's a fact and we must go with that.

@ALL

Every Member is entitled to their own personal views.
the 1st post by @Defner in no way was an insult directed towards anyone.

https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/44297/1?post=654597

Everything about iStripper / Are we going back to the old XXX format?

And my take in all this is that many XXX-fans seem to think that the more extreme the content is, the better. I have never been able to accept or justify this perversion...Instead I have simply hoped...

From that post another member interpreted it as an Attack and went on their own Attack.

We are all adults in here... Can we Act like it please?

Perhaps it is a cultural difference..
I'm from the USA
And here, we can express our points of view, even if someone might feel offended by it.

Just because you read something and feel offended by it, Does not mean it should be Banned from having been said or written..

As adults, we have to just ignore written and spoken words that we don't agree with..

I DO NOT have an issue with XXX content, I actually really enjoy it. I am primarily critizing that a card with ZERO standing or pole clips is not the definition of a striptease,

Ditto!