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HighHeelsLover
Joined in Jun 2014

52 post(s)
January 18, 2020
Anyone notice the new model tags? They are called Pro dancer, pole dance skills and flexible. Some of the new girls have them, and you can really see how much better they are than the average model when it comes to dancing or pole-dancing. One of the new girls, I forgot her name but seems like she is not an erotic model but Totem hired her because she's a good dancer and very pretty. I love that. I don't care how famous the model is, but when she's a good dancer and stripper it always makes the show better. I like where iStripper is going <3
SetFuego
Joined in Mar 2008

730 post(s)
January 18, 2020 (edited)
Um, I'm still a little careful with these 'new' tags. For example, 'flexible' ... Melena Maria Rya also received this label on her 'Blue Dreams' card from 12/2014.

And since then nobody 'flexible' until Anastasia Brokelyn in 11/2019 ...

... pretty unrealistic. And what does 'flexible' mean in detail? I would rather wait a few more years until I really trust these 'new' tags.
Furthermore e.g. Suzi Q, she has been an Australian pole dance master. The cards all have to be updated, after all she is still a professional in pole dance on the card.


A good idea in itself, but it will take time to use, I think.
And when I see how the reported tag errors are corrected, namely not for more than half a year, I don't really believe it.
jt123
Joined in Apr 2008

183 post(s)
January 18, 2020
And since then nobody 'flexible' until Anastasia Brokelyn in 11/2019 ...


Uh, well, Foxy's been out since then, and I think she's kinda "flexible" -- sort of... I think...
TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
January 18, 2020 (edited)
The "Pole Dance Skills" tag is currently a good example of why I think that Totem should not introduce new tags without applying these tags to older cards. If I filter my collection using this tag it shows me only 12 cards rather recent cards from just three models but does not show me any older cards from Susie Q, Shaba, Goldie, Foxy or any other model that exhibited such skills.

As @SetFuego has alluded to his post Suzie Q was the winner of the Australian Pole Dancing championship and Shaba was, and still is, a professional pole dancer. In both cases this skill plays a major part in their cards - yet none of those cards have the "Pole Dance Skills" tag.

I would rather not have the tag at all than have it be this misleading.
pickle1
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2019

1353 post(s)
January 18, 2020
Hi. There was another thread running about new tags and I would refer back to @TheEmu and his reasoned comment as follows;

"I forgot to point out in my previous post that adding categories like "upskirt" and "panties removed first" would require that somebody review all of the existing clips in order to determine which, if any, of the new categories apply to each and every one of them. There are over 94 thousand clips that would need to be examined so this simple change would would entail several hundred man hours of work. I just do not think that would be practical"

So the new tags are nice but will potentially remain limited and misleading
pickle1
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2019

1353 post(s)
January 18, 2020
And thanks to @SetFuego and @The Emu for the heads up on Suzie Q and the others. I have recently started to appreciate good pole dancing and I have now downloaded Suzie Q and she is superb (though the boots are *****!!!).

There aren't too many clips where the girl starts off upside down!
jt123
Joined in Apr 2008

183 post(s)
January 18, 2020
would require that somebody review all of the existing clips in order to determine which, if any, of the new categories apply to each and every one of them. There are over 94 thousand clips that would need to be examined so this simple change would would entail several hundred man hours of work.

A daunting... overwhelming... impossible task indeed!
94,000 clips, several hundred hours of concentrated... intense... careful... dedicated... study?
Where's the line for vollunteers forming?
halopalm
Joined in Jun 2009

20 post(s)
January 18, 2020
I suggest Totem had better cancel these 3 new tags --- flexible, pro dancer, pole dance skills

1. how to define the types or levels ?

e.g. Linet A & Jasmine Arabia are very good at belly dancing which is unpopular here. Do they still deserve to be called pro dancers ?

2. how to list ? by girls or by cards ?

e.g. Blue Angel & Merry Pie are unquestionably flexible, but didn't show their paces in every cards.

3. inefficient to regulate categories ?

e.g. Angelika Grays & Valeria are incontestably top 5 dancers. Unfortunately, I see none of the 3 new tags in their cards. Not to mention the thread " incorrect or missing tags ".

In my opinion, creating the 3 new tags is like opening a can of worms.
Nebal
Joined in Feb 2015

227 post(s)
January 18, 2020
Where's the line for vollunteers forming?
Thats it! Quitting my day job...putting my papers in come Monday morning 👍
HighHeelsLover
Joined in Jun 2014

52 post(s)
January 18, 2020
Wow! So much *****! There is like 4400 cards in the store, how do you expect Totem to give new tags to all of them?? It's like saying that future cards shouldn't get improvements, if those improvements can't be applied to the old cards too. Seriously...
jt123
Joined in Apr 2008

183 post(s)
January 18, 2020
Thats it! Quitting my day job...putting my papers in come Monday morning 👍

@Nebal -- I'll save you a spot in line, man...
TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
January 18, 2020 (edited)
@HighHeelsLover

Yes - I really do mean that new tags that result in any filter using those tags gives very misleading results (e.g. more false negatives than true positives) should preferably not be introduced until effort is spent to reduce the false results to a reasonable level. Currently filtering on pole skills misses more than it finds - in fact it misses the two or three best pole dancers in the whole collection. Fortunately this particular tag can be relatively easily fixed because there are only a small number of old cards that should have the tag applied and in the past there have been rather a lot of people asking for recommendations for cards in which good pole dancing skills are exhibited - to which there have been a consistent set of replies which in turn means that Totem could relatively easily find these posts, or ask again for recommendations, and then update the old cards' tags.

However, for most of the tags that have been suggested, such as "upskirt" this does not apply and without spending an enormous effort up-front it would take many years before filtering on such a tag would return more than a minority of cards that ought to match the filter. Not only would this be misleading it would also be very frustrating if you know that there are cards matching the filter (because you have previously seen them) but are told that they can't be found. Think how you would feel if you remember seeing a great pole dancer (Susie Q or Shaba) but can't remember who it was, used the pole dance skills filter and discovered that what you remember was not found.

Adding misleading tags and their filters is, in my mind, a disservice to Totem's customers.
Tom313
Joined in Dec 2019

28 post(s)
January 18, 2020
I like new tags, if they help to describe the cards.
Of course the best would be if the old cards are updated with new tags, too. But even if that's too much work, it still would improve the description of future cards. As they might not serve well as filter for old cards, maybe it's possible to mark the original tags somehow.
TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
January 18, 2020
@Tom313

As a thought experiment consider what it would be like if the High Heels tag did not exist. In my collection there are 3924 of with this tag but if was a new one they would not appear when applying the High Heels filter. With just over 365 cards issued a year it would take well over ten years before filtering for High Heels would find more than half of the cards that it ought to. This logic applies equally to any new tag that is only applied to new cards but which ought to be used for old cards as well.

Any new user, such as yourself, coming to iStripper is likely to use the category filters to find cards that they like - if they only find a fraction of what is actually there they will get a very wrong impression as to what is in the store. Being misleading is not good for anybody,
Dfner
Joined in Feb 2018

643 post(s)
January 18, 2020 (edited)
Reading this thread makes me think how lucky I am to not have fetishes with costume such as high heels, stockings, bare feet etc...

Pretty much my only interest is in the model. If I were more discerning buyer and If she is someone I like, I buy her card. And I don't give a rat's ass if she is wearing high heels or not, if she's wearing stockings or not, or if she is bare feet or not. It's the lady I concentrate on, not what she has on her feet or what she is wearing on her legs... She could wear Margaret Thatcher's jacket suit or Hannibal Lecter's face mask, I don't care.

People, concentarate on what is important! The lady performing for you? - OR the textile on her legs or the equipment on her feet :)

"Insignificant costume detail or performance skill" is the tag what you people are looking for. Every card has one. :)
Alkasyn
Joined in Apr 2008

727 post(s)
January 18, 2020
I, for one, appreciate the effort put into hiring better dancers and introducing the cards' content by putting in more variety (milk shows, hardcore shows like Gia's, dancing shows). This is defeintely the way to go.
JuniorPatrick
Joined in Jun 2014

7 post(s)
January 19, 2020
Would it be possible to change the each tag into a hyperlink to a forum discussion topic where similar, historical cards could be suggested and discussed by existing users? Totem would not have to take time reclassifying existing shows, and interested users could signpost likeminded individuals to relevant shows?
HansSachs
Joined in Mar 2016

989 post(s)
January 20, 2020
I, for one, appreciate the effort put into hiring better dancers and introducing the cards' content by putting in more variety (milk shows, hardcore shows like Gia's, dancing shows). This is defeintely the way to go.
I too.

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