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An Idea for Reviews...

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orclover
Joined in Jun 2012

744 post(s)
September 23, 2017
I often read reviews to try to get a guage about the contents of a card, and rarely, I MEAN RARELY, are the reviews useful, they often say stuff like..."______ is such a supernatural beauty, fantastic, amazing...my heart is melting..." This is the gist of most reviews. And of course this actually offers nothing to someone reading the review because this stuff is all visible from looking at a picture or watching a demo.

IDEA TIME:

Totem has a company person write a skewed non-objective review that is overly positive but at least tells us the type of clips in the card, the style of dancing, the style of stripping, and approximately how much nudity there is...a completely sappy, non-negative review from the company for every card would be useful...heck talk one of the moderators who can write to do this for free. It would help immensely sell cards IMO.

An example, Kristina is stunning in this card with her tight jeans and easy to take off casual shirt. And boy does she take it off. 12 cards are considered full nudity and Kristina is quite the tease as she often bends down to touch her toes in the pole scenes, and even does a full splits in another great standing scene. Kristina alternates how she undresses as a few clips have her keep the jeans on for an extended period of time, while other cards have the jeans come off first. Either way Kristina is stunning in the way she moves, her flexibility is evident, while her joy bursts through uncontrollably as she sticks her tongue out at the viewer in one of her amazing pole clips. If you want a card with 22 clips, 12 full nudity, anda beautiful, fun, playful supermodel, who is a major tease then this Kristina iteration is for you.

Number6
Joined in Oct 2010

1180 post(s)
September 23, 2017
Sometimes a picture can paint a thousand word and if you are Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan sometimes a word can paint a thousand pictures.

I am sorry @orclover but most users are just happy to say that a particular girl is stunning. I know I am. All of the girls have been in their own way.

You look at a Kristina card and see something that is generally not explicit. I look at the same card and see what is in the screencap. Something that is reasonably explicit but may be just a "flash". For me that is the tease in striptease and I love it. For you it probably isn't.

The problem is that this is my perception. It may not be yours. No amount oif description by me is going to be truly objective. Even what you are asking for is not likely to be objective. Totem want to sell cards they are hardly likely to give a review that may impact negatively on sales and personally I don't blame them. I don't particularly care if the the card has x XXX clips or y non-nudity clips. It does not influence my decison to buy a card, nor does other peoples opinions or reviews. In the attached clip Totem may give this a level 4. You might only rate it a level 3 as it is only a very brief "flash".

For many years I was extremely selective about what I bought, frequently put off by other people's reviews of cards. Then I decided that I would buy at least one card of every girl on VG. I no longer look at reviews - they are other peoples' opinions - not mine. I now make up my own mind. I have virtually a complete collection. I have no deleted cards. I have a few deselected (Xmas cards - they are reselected at Xmas) but other than that every card is allowed to play.
orclover
Joined in Jun 2012

744 post(s)
September 23, 2017
Sometimes a picture can paint a thousand word and if you are Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan sometimes a word can paint a thousand pictures.

I am sorry @orclover but most users are just happy to say that a particular girl is stunning. I know I am. All of the girls have been in their own way.

You look at a Kristina card and see something that is generally not explicit. I look at the same card and see what is in the screencap. Something that is reasonably explicit but may be just a "flash". For me that is the tease in striptease and I love it. For you it probably isn't.

The problem is that this is my perception. It may not be yours. No amount oif description by me is going to be truly objective. Even what you are asking for is not likely to be objective. Totem want to sell cards they are hardly likely to give a review that may impact negatively on sales and personally I don't blame them. I don't particularly care if the the card has x XXX clips or y non-nudity clips. It does not influence my decison to buy a card, nor does other peoples opinions or reviews. In the attached clip Totem may give this a level 4. You might only rate it a level 3 as it is only a very brief "flash".

For many years I was extremely selective about what I bought, frequently put off by other people's reviews of cards. Then I decided that I would buy at least one card of every girl on VG. I no longer look at reviews - they are other peoples' opinions - not mine. I now make up my own mind. I have virtually a complete collection. I have no deleted cards. I have a few deselected (Xmas cards - they are reselected at Xmas) but other than that every card is allowed to play.


Lol, touches her toes is not subjective, takes off shirt first is not subjective, 12 full nudity clips may mean multiple things but has meaning. The reason you don't look at reviews is because they are meaningless, you proved my point. I have enough cards in my collection to know that girls change from card to card and getting only one, may not be the best one. A positive and clear review will only increase sales, unless the product is trash and in that case customers should want better. Totem is missing an opportunity not risking sales by being more transparent...unless they are afraid their product is poor. You have a story but mine involves skipping entire girls because I can't be sure that I would watch the card...I have 1500 credit waiting to be spent but totem can invest anything into enticing me to get spend those credit.
orclover
Joined in Jun 2012

744 post(s)
September 23, 2017
Sometimes a picture can paint a thousand word and if you are Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan sometimes a word can paint a thousand pictures.

I am sorry @orclover but most users are just happy to say that a particular girl is stunning. I know I am. All of the girls have been in their own way.

You look at a Kristina card and see something that is generally not explicit. I look at the same card and see what is in the screencap. Something that is reasonably explicit but may be just a "flash". For me that is the tease in striptease and I love it. For you it probably isn't.

The problem is that this is my perception. It may not be yours. No amount oif description by me is going to be truly objective. Even what you are asking for is not likely to be objective. Totem want to sell cards they are hardly likely to give a review that may impact negatively on sales and personally I don't blame them. I don't particularly care if the the card has x XXX clips or y non-nudity clips. It does not influence my decison to buy a card, nor does other peoples opinions or reviews. In the attached clip Totem may give this a level 4. You might only rate it a level 3 as it is only a very brief "flash".

For many years I was extremely selective about what I bought, frequently put off by other people's reviews of cards. Then I decided that I would buy at least one card of every girl on VG. I no longer look at reviews - they are other peoples' opinions - not mine. I now make up my own mind. I have virtually a complete collection. I have no deleted cards. I have a few deselected (Xmas cards - they are reselected at Xmas) but other than that every card is allowed to play.

Lol, touches her toes is not subjective, takes off shirt first is not subjective, 12 full nudity clips may mean multiple things but has meaning. The reason you don't look at reviews is because they are meaningless, you proved my point. I have enough cards in my collection to know that girls change from card to card and getting only one, may not be the best one. A positive and clear review will only increase sales, unless the product is trash and in that case customers should want better. Totem is missing an opportunity not risking sales by being more transparent...unless they are afraid their product is poor. You have a story but mine involves skipping entire girls because I can't be sure that I would watch the card...I have 1500 credit waiting to be spent but totem can't invest anything into enticing me to get spend those credits.
orclover
Joined in Jun 2012

744 post(s)
September 23, 2017
Sometimes a picture can paint a thousand word and if you are Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan sometimes a word can paint a thousand pictures.

I am sorry @orclover but most users are just happy to say that a particular girl is stunning. I know I am. All of the girls have been in their own way.

You look at a Kristina card and see something that is generally not explicit. I look at the same card and see what is in the screencap. Something that is reasonably explicit but may be just a "flash". For me that is the tease in striptease and I love it. For you it probably isn't.

The problem is that this is my perception. It may not be yours. No amount oif description by me is going to be truly objective. Even what you are asking for is not likely to be objective. Totem want to sell cards they are hardly likely to give a review that may impact negatively on sales and personally I don't blame them. I don't particularly care if the the card has x XXX clips or y non-nudity clips. It does not influence my decison to buy a card, nor does other peoples opinions or reviews. In the attached clip Totem may give this a level 4. You might only rate it a level 3 as it is only a very brief "flash".

For many years I was extremely selective about what I bought, frequently put off by other people's reviews of cards. Then I decided that I would buy at least one card of every girl on VG. I no longer look at reviews - they are other peoples' opinions - not mine. I now make up my own mind. I have virtually a complete collection. I have no deleted cards. I have a few deselected (Xmas cards - they are reselected at Xmas) but other than that every card is allowed to play.


Lol, touches her toes is not subjective, takes off shirt first is not subjective, 12 full nudity clips may mean multiple things but has meaning. The reason you don't look at reviews is because they are meaningless, you proved my point. I have enough cards in my collection to know that girls change from card to card and getting only one, may not be the best one. A positive and clear review will only increase sales, unless the product is trash and in that case customers should want better. Totem is missing an opportunity not risking sales by being more transparent...unless they are afraid their product is poor. You have a story but mine involves skipping entire girls because I can't be sure that I would watch the card...I have 1500 credit waiting to be spent but totem can't invest anything into enticing me to get spend those credits.
Number6
Joined in Oct 2010

1180 post(s)
September 23, 2017
Lol, touches her toes is not subjective, takes off shirt first is not subjective, 12 full nudity clips may mean multiple things but has meaning.

Actually touches her toes and takes off her shirt first are subjective. They mean something to you but absolutely nothing to me. To be fair if it was mentioned that a girl does the splits that is a big turn on for me (naked or otherwise) but isn't necessarily so for others.

So do Totem say how many times a girl touches her toes or removes her shirt first. What if she isn't wearing a shirt?.Do they say how many times she touches her toes facing the camera or with her arse in view. Is she naked when she touches her toes? Do they say how many times she scratches her head. Do I really care - you might but I don't.

Recently you ***** that Kristina wasn't explicit in her early cards yet you say x full nudity clips means something.

The reason you don't look at reviews is because they are meaningless, you proved my point.

Yes you are sort of right but it is the negative comments that I now tend to find meaningless - not necessarily the positive ones. I am not over keen on girls with fake tits and was for a long while put off by comments on Erica Fontes, Having downloaded one of her cards I found that she is actually really nice, beautiful face, great body and a really nice arse - but these are my opinions and again are subjective.


TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
September 23, 2017 (edited)
I agree with Number6 on this. In my opinion in order that reveiws are in any way meaningful they pretty well have to be from customers and reflect their responses to the performances - which implies that they are essentialy the opposite of objective. In almost all cases it is possible to obtain much more information about a performer, though not of course the particular performance, by a simple internet search. This will often be "objective" as much of this information is in the form of photos and videos.

There are, again in my opinion, two problems with "official" Totem reviews whether they are produced by Totem staff or sponsored by them. Firstly, they likely to be, or at least will be perceived to be, biased and secondly a good review of any card would entail expending a great deal of time and effort while having only a small impact on sales.

I am in favour of Totem making more information available for each card before purchase, but only as a summary of that which is already available on the card's clip list page once you have bought he card. This would be cheap to produce as it can be generated automaticaly with no human input.
tresk
Joined in Aug 2016

73 post(s)
September 23, 2017
my english is not the best so i write in german.

ich finde totem sollte die angaben mit denen sie eine show bewerben auch wirklich prüfen. beispiel estonika/admirable. diese karte wurde unter anderem mit anal beworben. nach 3 negativen bewertungen inklusiver meiner eignen wurde einfach der anal tag still und heimlich gestrichen. die dauer der einzigen anal aktion betrug etwa 1-2 sekunden.

es gibt non xxx karten die mehr xxx im programm haben aber nicht als solche beworben werden. irgendwie nicht einleuchtend. deshalb verstehe ich mitglieder die bessere und genauere infos haben wollen, bevor sie geld für eine karte rausschmeissen die sie unter objetiven angaben nicht gekauft hätten.
TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
September 23, 2017
I have to wonder if those who want Totem to expend a lot of time and effort to make more details available before purchase because they are reluctant to buy something until they are absolutely sure they will like it - do they also agonise so much when buying other things that have a similar price? Such as cup of coffee, which in many places will be rather more expensive than a single card. Treat yourself to an occassional random purchase - you may be pleasantly surprised and and if you did not like it has cost very little.

I think Totem made a bit of a mistake when they revalued the Credit as the cards seemed cheaper when they were priced at about two old credits rather than twenty new credits even though the price in Euros was not changed.
HombreSinSombra
Joined in Oct 2010

1249 post(s)
September 23, 2017
Have to agree with No.6 and Emu. Any kind of review is ALWAYS going to be subjective, no matter where it comes from.
We all think we can be objective but anything we say is still coming from our individual tastes, likes and dislikes.

Little things like, 'she drops into the splits often,' sounds objective, right? But if someone says that in a review, it means they probably really like seeing this or why mention it at all? They might add that it looks hot when she does it to re-inforce the statement. Again, a subjective view.

Almost anything a person might say is still based on what they like/dislike. It comes from the subconscious and we have little control over that.

I agree about the change in value of credits. No idea why they did that. Same for the ratings from marks out of 10 to 5. I still look at a girl's score and mentally double-up. A score of say, 4.37 has more meaning for me at 8.74! Old habits die hard...
Cartref
MODERATOR
Joined in Sep 2007

520 post(s)
September 23, 2017
To be honest, as a purely personal opinion, I have never bothered to read the reviews, why, because it is purely someone's' personal opinion. Someone else's opinion will depend on a whole range of issues based on their personal preferences.

Those preferences may or may not match mine and if they don't then their opinion will probably not reflect my own.

There are a few members, who a pretty much unbiased when they review a card, but still their own preferences are always there in a subjective way.

Its also the reason why I stopped rating cards so very long ago.

But just my personal point of view.
muttonjeff
Joined in Nov 2008

816 post(s)
September 23, 2017
You keep using the word review, but the software says "Write your comment here" and for most people these are considered just comments.
After reviewing the photos and demo, If i want to know the content of a card, i buy it.
They are not expensive and if i made a bad choice... cest la vie.
tresk
Joined in Aug 2016

73 post(s)
September 23, 2017
its your opion thats not expensive making bad choice, you have 3 diamonts rabatt, others have to pay more. more bad choise and it will be not only expensive it will be very expensive. no reason to waste money.
TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
September 23, 2017 (edited)
@Tresk - even with no discount a card still costs a similar amount to a cup of coffee - often less depending on where you buy your coffee (see chart). A card certainly costs less than a glass of beer bought in a pub.
tresk
Joined in Aug 2016

73 post(s)
September 23, 2017
10 credits= 1 euro including 50% bonus
one card cost me 16.25 credits right now.
i spent round about 900 credits to hit diamont status.
most cards i even didnt download. i have now 333 cards but only 135 are active.
198 cards are deleted or not downloaded.
when i calculate with 7 credits per card (480p platin status)
i waste 1386 credits. i know its much more credits i waste.
HombreSinSombra
Joined in Oct 2010

1249 post(s)
September 23, 2017
@tresk: Please type in English all the time. It's more than good enough for the rest to understand :)

There are so many ways to compare the cost of these cards to other things we spend money on without even thinking.

A cup of good coffee is always a favourite. How about a ride on a rollercoaster? A breakfast sandwich, a beer in a club?
All these things cost about the same or more than buying a card. Yet they are gone in an instant. Once consumed, taken, drank or whatever, you can't get it back. The cards can be viewed over and over. The odd one you don't enjoy can be deleted or just never watched again. No big deal.
tresk
Joined in Aug 2016

73 post(s)
September 23, 2017
dont know what you try to say.
when you are thirsty you take a drink, when you are hungry you will eat something.
watching nude girls is not nessary to survive.
when you are rich you can easely spend a lot of credits without thinking about it.
TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
September 23, 2017
@Tresk - but we did not make a comparison with anything necessary to survive. Coffee is not a necessity. We likened the price of single cards to other simple luxuries, ones that nobody I know would think twice about buying without insisting that the supplier performed an expensive and unnecessary excercise to provide extra details about. Comparisons could also be made with going to see a film - do you insist nowing the exact body count, or just how many bikinied girls appear in, for example, a Bond film, or do you just go and watch it knowing roughly the sort of film that it is?
tresk
Joined in Aug 2016

73 post(s)
September 23, 2017
i dont drink coffee, so its not necessary for me. as i say food and drinks are essential. when i went to cinema i look a trailer to know something about the film i will see.
but when the film promise something, like action and in the film you see only one action scene i will be very disapointed.

estonika/admirable my comment

i bought this card only because the anal promise and was very disappointed
the girl is horny without question yet there for this show only one star from me

after 2 other comments from users, totem remove the anal tag.



TheEmu
Joined in Jul 2012

3309 post(s)
September 24, 2017
@Tresk - As you say, when people go to the cinema they often look at a trailer to know something about the film, not everything about it. Why do you think that Totem should provide much more detailed information for a much lower priced piece of entertainment?
tresk
Joined in Aug 2016

73 post(s)
September 24, 2017
i can say totem fooled me with the exsample from the card estonika.
its not my intesion to be fooled again.
ktab
Joined in Aug 2013

160 post(s)
September 24, 2017
Sorry - as it is just morning here, I am a very late entrant into this thread.

If I may go back to @orclover 2nd comment about having 1500 CREDITS ...

Does Totem not ALREADY have the money - by your purchasing those 1500 credits? How you expend them will reflect your choices, but, as I understand it, the sale is already made. Just that you are not receiving value from an enormous cache of credits! Or have I misunderstood?

My assumption, but it seems logical to me. When my credits grow short, I am urged to buy more, by a pop-up. I am not urged to select cards when I do `top-up'.

Sorry - I do not mean to distract from the thrust of the thread. Only to point out that I believe Totem already has the benefit of your credit count. Therefore how you spend them - or not - will have little impact on Totem deliberations or pre-select presentations.

😕
HombreSinSombra
Joined in Oct 2010

1249 post(s)
September 24, 2017
Really? You think Totem fooled you?
Let's take a step back and think about what Totem really do here...

Totem get beautful girls into their studio and ask them to perform for 30 to 40 minutes production time. Usually 6 times over more or less. In two days. Totem have no control over how good the girl's performance is.

BUT they paid the model and have to sell their cards or it was a waste of time and money. WTF would anybody else do???
HombreSinSombra
Joined in Oct 2010

1249 post(s)
September 24, 2017
Sorry - I do not mean to distract from the thrust of the thread. Only to point out that I believe Totem already has the benefit of your credit count. Therefore how you spend them - or not - will have little impact on Totem deliberations or pre-select presentations.

Wrong! Totem are very aware of what sells or doesn't. Future cards and models are determined by what sells.
ktab
Joined in Aug 2013

160 post(s)
September 24, 2017
Yes - but if I understood correctly - Totem will do so based on measurable data - not influenced by unused credits.

Of course, demand and concentrations of opinion must weigh-in to how business is conducted. That is not the aspect that I was addressing.
muttonjeff
Joined in Nov 2008

816 post(s)
September 24, 2017
@tresk
you have 3 diamonds, others have to pay more
That is true, but once upon a time i was bronze.... it didn't stop me then and won't stop me now. Sure I have cards that i never watch but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Buying more cards does have its benefits.
10 credits= 1 euro including 50% bonus one card cost me 16.25 credits right now.
Seriously dude that is less than $2 per card, if you cant afford to play you are swimming in the wrong fishtank. All things considered, Totem are doing a damn fine job with a great product.


Totem get beautful girls into their studio and ask them to perform for 30 to 40 minutes
@hombre the reason we come back for more 😊
ktab
Joined in Aug 2013

160 post(s)
September 24, 2017
I echo your thoughts, @muttonjeff - I like the way things are now.

I was amongst quite a few who clamoured for the return of Luna Corazon. I even raised the issue, before her first showing, in a support ticket. It may - or may not - have influenced their decision for Luna Corazon 2. Many try to have input into the direction of a site to which we have varying levels of commitment. Natural enough.

I have a nice balance of unused credits - NOTHING LIKE 1500 though. I seek different objectives in cards than many others. The way that the reviews are done now is fine by me. To me it is all subjective, but I often read those reviews. How much they influence my choices - I doubt very much at all. It is gratifying to see similar aspects appeal to others. And I am fine with that.

But whatever aspects @orclover seeks to improve his satisfaction with the site is, of course, also fine by me. The users love the site (well most I am sure) - their input is intended to assist not undermine the site. More power to them!
orclover
Joined in Jun 2012

744 post(s)
September 24, 2017
A triple diamond may have spent over 30000 credits so my 1500 is really a drop in the bucket, and I can tell you if they were shooting in America that 1500 would be gone really quick, like in 3 or 4 months...

There are few things going on, I filled my account over the last two 600 for 50$ deals...so I saved something like 20% on my refills, 3 times now. I get my cards for 40% off, really only buy cards when they are 12% off, and are really getting each card for an extra 20% off because of the refill deals, of course because of diminishing returns this is more like a total of 58% off, but anyway. At the current pace my 1500 will last a full year or more, rather than 3 or 4 months if it was like 2016 again...that means I would be refilling sooner if the cards were better or I at least THOUGHT they were better. That also means I can wait until their next refill discount to refill which helps me and ***** totem...unless the company goes under, which I do not forsee in the near future. There are thousands of totem users, but only a dozen or so regular posters on the forum, I imagine that the thousands would appreciate more transparency as they spend money in an industry that is generally free. The whales will argue in totems favor all the time, which is fine. I want a better product, so I ask for it.
ktab
Joined in Aug 2013

160 post(s)
September 24, 2017
If I may enter an answer, just on the chance that you thought I was belittling your balance of credits. I was not. If anything I very much envy that tally. It empowers you - with the opportunity to heavily influence demand for models - such as Kristina. I, also, do not doubt your `savvy' on the site. You clearly post more than I ever will and are very likely to be well versed in the where-and-why-for's. Just hoping to clear any air, here.

I always thought your idea had merit - you are seeking greater transperency in what is on offer. My own experience has not brought too much disappointment, so not a priority for me. On the basis of what you seek - and how you have argued - a no-brainer. My satisfaction with the existing situation is not a critique of your view but a measure of my contentment. Both perspectives are right - for their holders. I do not begrudge your push and hope you do not seek to ridicule mine.

In the past, I have lobbied for views that I have held, which were obvious to me, but probably had little traction with many other members. I was not trying to rally anyone. Otherwise, like you, I would have started a thread.

I did - and do - wish you sincere good luck. No doubt current and future members will agree with you 👍
orclover
Joined in Jun 2012

744 post(s)
September 24, 2017
The interesting thing that occurs on this board is customers often give ideas that go ignored or knocked down quickly by naysayers, but totem is actually looking at these forums. I am sure that Rex sees much of the topics on here. I remember when a little known poster brought up the idea of discounts based off of a gambling system. if memory serves he was shot down with the logical comeback that totem doesn't have the resources or coding assets to do such a thing, this was at least two years ago and now we have gambling discounts,and people love them. Another suggestion years ago was to change xxx to something more like dancing intermixed with dildo play...this was shot down and now it is reality, years later. There used to be a site where a customer posted fairly decent reviews with card specifics about clips types and nudity levels with some other details. I built my collection around this site... literally went from 50 cards to 1000 based on the suggestions from this reviewer. If totem can replicate this model I can guarentee it will encourage customers to invest...heck I am sure they can tie it into their marketing of the product as well.

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