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Republishing of new cards - My Thoughts

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kutta
Joined in Nov 2007

144 post(s)
January 12, 2014
I know there’s been a lot of discussion on this topic but I wanted to share my findings with fellow VG users. Attached are 3 screen shots I captured of before (old) and after (new) updating Jessica Joy's card # 1430. My resolution is 1920px by 1080px, zoom is set in software to 100% full size with "Reduce clips to screen res.." unchecked.

I'm very disappointed to point out that the update has reduced the height of the model standing at 100% therefore a LOSS of PIXEL DATA. The software is now upscaling lower resolution video rather than downscaling. When I boost the zoom to fit my screen the clips now look very pixelated. This is no longer FULL HD, the standing height of the model is 816 pixels (republished) vs 1080 pixels (original) at 100%.

I'm also disappointed to see that new cards being released Mia Sollis # 1505, Nici # 1512 & 1511, Viola # 1517, all have this reduction in resolution. The standing clips of these cards do not reach the top of my 1080p screen at 100%, again, no longer FULL HD.

Beware users purchasing newer cards or updating republished cards, the video quality is no longer the same. I'm not seeing any benefits here of republishing these newer cards or the new "standard" for 1080p with reduced resolution for upcoming cards.
Starryk
Joined in Nov 2008

1847 post(s)
January 13, 2014 (edited)
@Kutta: i can understand your frustration even if for my setting the new files are exactly the right height at 100%
I think what some might easily forget is that they have to have one size for all models no matter if they are 1,50 m or 1,90 m tall.
And they should not be cut off if they put their hands into the air.
So if on your screenshot the model would almost touch the top of the screen in that pose everything that goes higher than that would be cut off.
So i do believe Totem when they say that the new clips are 1080p even if they don't reach the top of the screen.
To find out how large the clips really are i did the following.
I used a pole dance clip for reference and in small mode as the pole is not extended to the top of the screen then.
Its approx. 615 px high at 60%
so the rest ist just a calculation.
615 / 60 * 100 = 1025p for 100 % and thats close to 1080p
The model (in this case Vanda Lust) is approx 500p tall so same calculation makes her 833 p tall at 100%

The second screenshot shows one of the 'old' 1080p shows again pole small mode 60%
There the pole is about 900p tall which make it 1500p tall at 100%
The model is 670p tall which would make her 1115p tall at 100%.

The last screenshot shows that same old show in the newest software version.
Again a pole clip at 60% but now the pole is only 500p tall.
So with the newest version of the software the republishing actually makes them taller again.

Also the newest version of the software is already scaling the 'old' 1080p shows down. So if you use the newest version there is no point in not updating these shows.
The last screenshot shows that same old show in the newest software version.
Again a pole clip at 60% but now the pole is only 500p tall.
So with the newest version of the software the republishing actually makes them taller again.
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2008

4047 post(s)
January 13, 2014 (edited)
In case you Missed this Post.
I explained the changes Here:

http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=3&ftId=26680&pageNb=1#post414580
Everything about iStripper / Jessica Joy Update
I think that it was a Wyldanimal post, or maybe it was Rex, but I think it suggested that most of the latter cards were going to have a better resolution. I've just updated the Jessica Joy cards, and...


When you Take into Account that a member will have a TaskBar set for TWO Icons in Height or about 80 Pixels.
The New Encoding of the Clips Makes a lot more Sense.

720p clips NOW fit on a 720p screen with no need to Adjust Size.

1080p clips NOW fit on a 1080p screen with no Need to Adjust Size.

Totem will start to release 3K clips in the near Future.
(Note the First Batch of 120 released 1080p cards, Actually Had the 3K size Standing Clips)

If you want to keep these, then make a backup copy of them Before you Update your cards.

And Just because the cards receive an Update, you DO NOT have to update them. They will still play if you don't update them.

All of the previous 120 released cards will get reprocessed to this New Format.
blueguarek
Joined in Apr 2013

23 post(s)
January 13, 2014 (edited)
wildanimal tu dis que maintenant les format 1080 enregistrer avec la camera 4K sont "fit on screen"

pour toi peut-être mais pas pour moi,c'est le format qu'on avait avec le .84 qui est "fit on screen"

rien a faire de voir le dessus de la cage...moi se que je veux c'est que la tête du modèle touche le haut de mon écran quand elle est debout sans perte de qualité visuel, comme avec le .84, et pas la merde visuel que totem non donne pour le moment

que le cgu mettent tous les clips a TON "fit on screen" soit, il y a les zoom pour pouvoir mettre a mon "fit on screen", la le zomm redevient complétement INUTILE comme avec les carte enregistrer avec la camera 1080dpi

c'est inacceptable avec le matériel que totem utilise se qu'ils sont occuper a faire

franchement j’attends les cartes 3K pour voir la qualité, autant la qualité visuel était très bien avec le .84, autant ça redevient de la merde depuis 4 semaine maintenant, comme dis sur un autre post j'ai de fichier de video qui sont en 480 dpi de meilleur qualité que leur compression en 1080 actuel avec mon "fit on screen"

HONTE A VOUS TOTEM

google traduction

wildanimal you say that now the 1080 record size with 4K camera are "fit on screen "

maybe for you but not for me , this is the format we had with the .84 that is "fit on screen "

nothing to see the top of the cage ... to me that I want is that the model's head touches the top of my screen when she is standing without loss of visual quality , as with the .84 , not the visual ***** totem gives not yet

cgu put all the clips has YOURS "fit on screen " is , there is the zoom to put in my "fit on screen " , the the zomm becomes completely USELESS as with map register with 1080dpi camera

this is ***** with the material they are totem used to make a deal

frankly I expect 3K cards to see the quality , both the visual quality was very good with the .84 , it becomes much ***** since 4 weeks now, as said in another post I have a video file that are 480 dpi better quality than their current compression in 1080 with my "fit on screen "

SHAME ON YOU TOTEM
kutta
Joined in Nov 2007

144 post(s)
January 15, 2014
@Starryk Thank you for your input

@Wyldanimal Thank you for the link, I have not seen that post. So 3K resolution will also improve resolution of sitting clips?

Also, from my understanding a video is considered 1080p because it has 1080 horizontal lines. So a video at 100% has to have a vertical dimension of 1080 to be considered full HD.
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2008

4047 post(s)
January 15, 2014
"Also, from my understanding a video is considered 1080p because it has 1080 horizontal lines. So a video at 100% has to have a vertical dimension of 1080 to be considered full HD."

The Ruling is a fine line.. If you Recorded the material in 1080 horizontal lines or Above, you can Call it "Full HD" even if it's been resized to fit your Screen. but then you should provide a message, that this has been resized or Adjusted to fit your screen.

Totem is in the difficult position that:
1.) They Do not Know How big your Task bar is set to ahead of time.
2.) With the Camera set at a fixed Field of View, to record an Average Height model, then A shorter model will Not Fit to the top of the screen, but A Taller model might Bump or Exceed the top of the screen.

Starting with 1080p
Given Two Icons of Task bar Height is about 80px. That Leaves room for Max Height of 1000px.
I would most likely try to make the Average model Height about 900px.
So shorter models would be in the 800px size and a taller model would be 1000px

I think that is a good choice of 1080p clip size..
but that is my thoughts...

Also,
When you Watch a Full HD movie at the cinema or on TV, the Actors or Actress do not bang there heads on top of the Screen, there are in the field of View, but around them is background Scenery. They Take up 70% to 90% of the screen Height..

Next time you watch a Movie, make note where the top of their heads are..


Rex
TEAM
Joined in Sep 2007

364 post(s)
January 15, 2014
@kutta Keep in mind model do raise their hands, so the number of lines goes from their feet to about a quarter of their size over their heads. You'll get more lines soon with the release of 3K clips, we've done the post-production on them, but need to upgrades a bunch of servers to be able to host them now given their sizes.
blueguarek
Joined in Apr 2013

23 post(s)
January 15, 2014
@wildanimal oui dans un film tu n'a pas les acteurs qui sont debout avec la tête qui touche le dessus de mon écran mais vg n'est pas un film ordinaire si je puis dire

se que je n'accepte pas c'est que l'enregistrement des clip assis et debout sont enregistrer a la même proportion, a moins que cela ai encore changer depuis que rex nous l'ai annoncer, c'est ça que je ne comprend pas, la perte de qualité visuel par rapport au clip assis quand on met les debout a la même proportion, ça se n'est pas normale et c'est pour ça que j'estime que les clip debout ne sont pas en hd

j'ai fait le test chez moi, j'ai mis un clip assis en "paysage", j'ai mis un marqueur sur mon écran et j'ai jouer un clip debout en "portrait" que j'ai zoomer, obligatoire, pour mettre sur le marqueur assis, si tu trouve que c'est la même qualité visuel c'est que je dois allez chez l'oculiste xd

c'est pour ça que j'ai l'impression de me faire arnaquer sur la qualité et que je râle, totem n'aurait pas changer la proportion d'enregistrement cette discussion n'aurait pas de raison

imagine toi une voiture, on te dis que le nouveau modèle a les proportion du modèle au dessus mais quand tu la reçois c'est toujours la même proportion qu'avant, tu trouverais ça normale?

google translation

@wildanimal yes in a movie you do not have the players that are standing with the head touches the top of my screen but vg is not an ordinary film if I may say

is that I do not accept is that the clip recording sitting and standing are registered has the same proportion , unless it still have change since rex we have announced , this is what I do not understand not the loss of visual quality compared to the clip when sitting on the standing sets has the same proportion , it is not normal and that is why I think the clip standing are not in hd

I did the test at home, I put a clip sitting in "landscape" , I put a marker on my screen and I play a clip standing "portrait" I zoom , mandatory to set the marker sitting if you think it's the same visual quality is that I have to go to the ophthalmologist xd

that's why I feel like I ripped the quality and I rattle , totem would not change the proportion of recording this discussion would have no reason

you imagine a car, we tell you that the new model has the proportion of the model above but when you receive it is always the same proportion as before, you would find it normal ?
gonzo420
Joined in Feb 2012

100 post(s)
January 15, 2014
I have found that the updates to 720p cards, old and new, work excellent on the 1.1.0.86 software version. Please keep the 720p downloads for those of us who don't have huge screens.

We also appreciate having the girls fit our screens. ;)
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2008

4047 post(s)
January 16, 2014
@gonzo420

You Forgot the most Important part.. No on the Fly Size reduction..

Many of Us ( Myself included ) has slightly older computers.
Our Screens are in the Height Range of 800px Resolution, but More Important is our Processor is Single core, maybe dual core, and slow by today's standards.

We represent about 70% of the Current Market today.

We desire to still have the 720p product that Does Not Need any On-The-Fly size adjustments to make it fit our screens.

Many Members ask for High Resolution high Bit Count.
but for Us, Without the Lower Resolution, Standard Bit count cards,
The 70% of us, wouldn't be able to enjoy VG on our computers.

Thank you Totem for giving Us the choice of 720p without on-the-fly reduction.


Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2008

4047 post(s)
January 16, 2014
@blueguarek -

You are correct,
New Cards - Current Production - Standing Clips are NO LONGER in the Same Proportion as Sitting Clips.

REX made this announcement, That All new Encoding will go back to the Proportions of the Earlier 720p cards.

When the 3K cards are released, you will download those, and they will fit you Screen like you are asking, with No loss of clarity, due to using the ZOOM.

Current 1080p Standing clips are 800px to 900px in height.
To make them Fill a 1080p screen With No Taskbar you would need to set the ZOOM to about 120% to 130%
And of Course, Any use of Zoom cause some loss in definition.

when 3k clips are released, Standing Size should be around 1400px avg..
blueguarek
Joined in Apr 2013

23 post(s)
January 16, 2014 (edited)
@wildanimal

toi tu me parle de compression et d'encodage, moi je parle d'enregistrement avec la camera, et rex dans son annonce a la base aussi, le fait que totem n'utilisait plus de zoom sur la camera pour les enregistrement des clips assis, ça na rien a voir avec la compression

la le problème se pose pour tous les format, que se soit en 720, en 1080 ou avec le future 3k, on ne peux plus mettre les clips a la même proportion avec leur encodage quand l'enregistrement lui est fait de façons proportionnel, c'est avec ça que je ne suis pas d'accord

quand tu prend une photo qui est parfaite pour ton écran en mode "paysage" et que tu la met en mode "portrait" oui tu la voit "fit on screen" en perdant la proportion mais tu sais zoomer dedans pour atteindre la proportion et tu n'a pas de perte de qualité visuel, ta photo disons que c'est du gif, quand tu change l'encodage et que tu passe en jpeg tu garde cette spécificité sur la proportion, la totem supprime ça avec son nouvel encodage, si toi tu est d'accord avec leur choix de le faire je suis contant pour toi, mais moi pas

google translation

@wildanimal

you tells me compression and encoding , I'm talking about recording with the camera , and rex in its announcement at the base also , the fact that totem no longer using the zoom on the camera for recording clips sitting , it has nothing to do with the compression

the problem arises for all formats , whether 720 , 1080 or the future 3k , we can put more clips in the same proportion to their encoding when recording it is made proportional ways , c it is with this that I do not agree

when you take a picture that is perfect for your screen to " landscape " mode and you put it in " portrait" so you see the "fit on screen " losing proportion but you know zoom in to achieve proportion and you no loss of visual quality , your photo say it's the gif, when you change the encoding and you pass jpeg you keep on this specific proportion, totem removes it with his new encoding if thou agrees with their choice to do I'm telling you, but not me

edit
que totem réponde au critique sur leur "fit on screen" du .84 en sortant le .86 parce que ça correspond mieux au "fit on screen" de la plupart de leur "client" je respecte ça, mais pas au détriment du reste de leur clientèle qui eux n'avait pas de problème avec le fit on screen du .84 et qui veulent garder cette possibilité si ils en ont envie sans devoir passer au 3k, la c'est vive la dictature

that meets the critical totem on their "fit on screen" of leaving the .84 .86 because it better reflects the "fit on screen" of most of their "client" I respect that, but not at the expense of the rest of their customers that they had no problem with the screen is made ​​of .84 and want to keep this possibility if they feel like it without having to go to 3k, it's the bright dictatorship
kutta
Joined in Nov 2007

144 post(s)
January 20, 2014
Very much appreciate your input Wyldanimal and Rex. I'm happy to hear us users who have powerful PCs will be able to download 3k and resize on the fly for best possible quality.

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