Dear Totem,

For VG

I've noticed that there are a few girls who don't really dance in their cards. I'm not sure why, maybe they don't
know how? I don't know. Stella Cox and Lucy Heart are a couple that do not for example. They move a little,
but I don't know where the line is drawn to where you could really call it dancing or not. I really like them
regardless, but I buy VG cards because women dancing is one of the most amazing things a man can ever see in life. Also there is not a whole lot of dance content on the internet, so you sort of "own" it; for now anyway
until people catch on to how great it is. Totem/VG is one of the best companies in my opinion and I really
appreciate what you do :) I do have some Very good suggestions and I really hope you implement them into
the girls shows. So please hear me out.

True facts:

1) For women who don't know how to dance: you can teach them in a matter of minutes some very good,
simple moves & new ones also - it's very easy to do. So it won't take up a lot of time, and it's so very worth it.

2) I will buy cards from the same girl if there is different dancing, but I know you don't really market that way
(at least not in the actual program) so I suppose people would have to take your word for it, or rely on the
users/members. I also would buy them anyway but there is a lot more incentive/motivation- it's just better. I
know the team already encourages different dancing for several shows with the same girl, but i'm just
mentioning it because it's so important. You can make them even more different if you want.

3) Hip movement really is the "core" of sensual dancing for women.

4) Ass shaking is so GREAT I would LOVE to see it -often- in every show. It's so good, you must do this
please :) There are some companies (which will remain nameless), that charge 25 bucks for a 4 minute video,
please do not let that be the only good ass shaking content available. You could easily take their "customers".
Capitalize on the ass shaking, it's highly desirable. Do not pay attention to the media or anyone who says that
it's not absolutely amazing! Every show, every girl. maybe 1-2 clips, 2-4 minutes for those.

5) A lot of different movement is awesome, even if it's slow dancing. I really think that if every girl did at least
1 or 2 fast dancing shows it would be better as well. Everyone knows how amazing sapphira's, melena tara's,
& tess's shows are for example. And they may very well sell more because they are so good/creative at it.

6) Each card more varied: TYPES/THEMES- All Fast show, All Slow show, a lot of ass shaking, you can even
implement ALL of these in every show, any type of variation etc. The possibilities are vast, if not endless.

It's not letting me post. I have more to this message. It cannot handle too many characters.

Ok nevermind. Will the mods please just delete this thread. I really don't know why the rest couldn't be posted, it has less characters the the 1st post, so it should have worked.

@Paragon108

I sort of agree with some of what you are saying. Some of the girls performances are a little wooden to say the least which is a shame because it puts me off buying more of their cards.

I think they should make the girls watch one of Shakira's live shows.

I am not a great lover of her album/singles music but her live shows have a bit more of a rock flavour and she certainly knows how to move. Hip waggling, arse shaking, belly dancing - she has the lot.

If VG could get her to perform that would be really something and they would probably make millions out of it.. She's so hot the pole would probably melt when she touches it :-)

Hi Number6,

Can I ask what you don't agree with :) ? I'm curious. I also didn't want to come off like i'm saying it's not good enough or being judgemental or anything like that. It's really about attention to detail, and suggestion for improvement. Which provides all of the good experience in life; creativity. It's a "you don't know what you're missing" type of concept. The things these women can do are amazing. I suppose if the producers and the girls only knew how easy & quick it is to teach/learn, they would do it. I know that they let the girls do what they want and that's great, they should be comfortable, but all they have to do is ask. I've seen that on another site. Totally awesome girl, and I see a link for dance content - and she doesn't really dance. Also there should be more ass shaking. There isn't really a lot of that content available in general.

That's a good idea too. Showing videos of other girls performing. If they think it takes too long, then they can just tell them verbally and have them practice right then and there. I had suggestions but I can't fit them all on the post.

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BTW this forum needs upgrades, I've never ever seen that before. The limit says 4000 letters but I cannot even post far less.

shaking assets 9esp. bottom ones) are captivating

A very good idea to pay more attention to the dancing of the models and teach them how to dance or give them homework/instruction video before coming to the studio.
What I like most if the model dances like she would do in the disco or club.

Paragon

​I feel your *****.. and know exactly where you're coming from. However it's aligns with the old proverbial sayings "Some things you just can't teach" "You either have it or you don't." Beauty is one thing and sensual rhythm is another. So many cards I see and say to myself "What couldve been". Having gone to Vegas personally on many occassion I was excited to see Totem had a studio there. Finally cards released with girsl who know how to move and stunning on top of it. Not sure where theyre going but needless to say on the content theyve released thus far, NO disrespect but they either need to get out more or need a new guide.

@Paragon108

I think @1ncognito has hit the nail on the head. You either have a sense of rythm or you don't and it cannot be easily taught. People have been trying to teach me to dance for close on 50 years and they haven't succeded.

I can play air guitar and headbang with the best of them - but dancing, no chance. I sort of hear/feel the music in a different way and I can't usually pick up the natural beat. It's difficult to explain.

Unfortunately Totem only have little time to teach the girls the basics of stripping and the pole. Spending time on teaching them to dance as well would cut into the shooting time. They have to assume that the girls (or their agencies) have at least done a little research and know they are supposed to dance when they accept contract.

Totem have stated on a number of occasions that professional strippers are reluctant to appear on the internet consequently they have to go to the glamour models and porn stars who are much happier to appear on the internet because they want to get their faces known in order to get more work. It all adds to their resume.

Interesting topic. I have to agree with the, 'innate' skills. You either have them or you don't and they're extremely difficult to learn if you don't :(

Natural musical rhythm is one of them. Some people find it easy to juggle, others will never grasp it. Pro soccer players have some incredible skills that most of us can never learn. Gymnasts, acrobats, even computer skills... The list goes on and on. Most of us are born with an aptitude towards certain things, I believe.
So... Teaching a girl to dance a certain way if she doesn't have those natural skills, imho, is nearly impossible :(

About your last phrase: Yes, unfortunately!

But, if Totem sell them as "dancing on your desktop", I really hope to receive dancing, not porn, as many of them do on my desktop, and many of members ask. Internet is fulllll of porn movies, but dancing with my music on my desktop is unique, and Totem, because of these members, change again and again the limit and balance of dancing for more and more porn movement.

Hi converse,

Yeah, the balance is just starting to shift now. Real porn will always be made no matter what, which is good I guess. But companies are starting to catch on to filming erotic dancing and stripping; it's starting to show up more and more. There are a few companies & solo girls that deal heavily in it - but they are seriously gouging people like you wouldn't believe. The whole "custom" video scam is part of it.

:) On another note, I have great news! The whole Innate skills concept doesn't exist. There is no natural talent. All talent is learned no matter what. When you're a baby your brain has not myelinated anything (brain circuits that determine your progressive skill level through repetition)- meaning you have not gained any skill, you haven't learned to walk, speak, beat everyone at chess, etc. I understand what you're all saying, it just could take some people longer. Not basic erotic dancing though. When a women gets TOO active, it actually drops the feminine level down, and they appear with a more masculine expression. For example, on youtube, there are women who are combining ass shaking with exercise, it's so active it takes almost all of the sensuality out of it.

Seems fine now

Just keep it down to less than the mini novel you tried to post initially and it should be ok
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Not gonna argue but when a baby is born, it cries, screams, craps their nappies, sleeps, eats, breathes, farts and whatever else you want to add to that. All natural human stuff. Innate? Sure.

As an extreme example, Mozart created his first symphony at 8 or 9 years old. He started composing at 6 years old. Of course, we don't know his influences before that but in those few short years, did he really learn how to create masterpieces of musical art? From whom? Would they not be just as famous?

I'm with @HSS on this one. There is a big difference in the presentation of a show when the actor/dancer is not concentrating on the choregraphy but instead she's doing what comes fun & natural to her.
Good facial expression needs to look genuine and not camped-up too much also. I think Totem have been heading in the right direction recently with the cute faces like Anna Tatu who camps it up, but she is a "natural" & gets away with it, whereas others could not. Inate ? Sure. ...end of novel ;-)

This is an example for a perfect vg show, Merry Pie 0245--all shows should be like this one and just to mention this is the best dancing card!!!.

@HombreSinSombra

Debating is fun, it's all good. Here's the thing about "talent". It's time relative. Mozart had to learn what keys are, how they are used, what patterns he wanted. He probably spent many hours figuring that out FIRST. He did it FAST though. Sure it's talent, he had to learn it first. I have one question: Why are you comparing relatively simple dancing to complicated composed music? Things don't have to be complicated to be really good. Don't you think it's absurd to think you cannot do something if you wanted to?

@Everthangforever

It doesn't matter if a person observes and learns something or comes up with it on their own. When a person does something they can make it their own. What's limiting is not knowing everyone is unique and each moment is as well.

My point has always been there are no limitations unless someone believes there are. If more people chose this attitude (no limits) the world would be so much better and more abundant.

Here's another perspective: Your higher self (your higher levels of mind- the part that knows it is god) knows EVERYTHING already. Your "lower" self (you- the ego mind that percieves itself as a "separate being" so it can experience life a certain way) HAS to learn everything at some point. So really you can say that some things "you" teach "yourself", and some things you learn from others that you "picked up" on with your own senses and learned that way.

And you might be able to accurately say that you teach yourself everything, and that it is literally impossible for anyone else to "teach" you anything because you must recognize what something is to replicate it anyway.