A few members told us in a bug&fixes thread that they were concern about the use of girl and girls' words specifically because they convey young girl.

They told us that Desktop settings should all refer to 'Models' or 'Shows'. because 'Girls' is very dated terminology and makes the Software program appear unprofessional and that it would raises the respect level.

As English is not our primary langage, it's not easy for us to see subtilities like that, what's your opinion?

Really?

Amazing...

So what will be the name of this product now, Virtuamodel or Virtuashow?

Of course not. Don't change anything, in my view, just to satisfy such... whims.

Personally I think its semantics, and I don't see any disrespect for the models by calling them girls. And since most of them are in their early 20's, they can be called young girls. Women like to be reminded of their youth and beauty and femininity, and "girl" captures all that.

As long as you are not going to change the name of your site and client I dont really care. I am used to logo VG. Its much more stylish than VM.

The product name VirtuaGirl is long established..
So I wouldn't consider changing that..
If VirtuaModels.com is not taken - Secure it...


But when referring to the actual performers, the term Model is better than Girl..

VirtuaGirl featuring over 1500 girl's cards

or

VirtuaGirl featuring over 1500 model's shows.

I would use Models instead of girls.

even the software refers to it as Models folder, Models Path.

So I voted Yes.. Models and Shows over Girls and Cards.

I agree with WA. Models is better than girls, but don't change to product name. Using the term girls in this way to a bit old fashioned. I'm not arguing for political correctness just better use of English.

Agree with WA and Dorsai6.

Whatever, do not change the VirtuaGirl name.

i agree that Models and Shows sounds better.

P.S. but talking about unprofessional approach to words .. what really bothers me is using of tags as they dont always represent the reality AND description of a girl. What is written about a girl is usually totally abstract. You can take the description of Nikki for example and use it for another model and nobody will feel the difference.

I know that majority of ppl do not read that stuff but most of your girls have unique personality and unique qualities that should be noticed and described more properly.

sorry for the kinda offtop but i guess, those are all words which this topic is about. And also its a totally ***** issue but that was just my humble opinion ..

No Rex, the Use of the term " Girls" is NOT outdated and those who propose otherwise have suspect issues which they should personally address, and NOT ***** everyone else into the mire of "Politically Correct" insanity...

As above, except with more cowbell....

The term, I think, refers to someone playful and naughty... age has nothing to do with it.

I don't want my 'girls' to be prim and proper!!!

I have no issues with the term Girls.

I go for the word model or dancer because it works for Idancer & Virtuaguy as well.
Calling performers 'models' is gender neutral & respectful to all ages. It has worked wonders for moderators working overheated webchat sites.

Interesting thoughts... personally I would go with Models and Cards since that's what I've been using on my fan site since the beginning in 2007 =)

Using the term Model also makes it work for VirtuaGuy... not sure the guy's like being called girls in the software...? =)

When it comes to the Card vs Show, that's a bit trickier. On the website the Team have always been using the term cards and the card images are core to the product. In my view this still works... A card is a bunch of chips that makes up a show =)

When has political correctness been an issue in the adult entertainment industry? In my view, there is nothing wrong with the word girl in the context used by Totem.

Except where a term is offensive, the path of political correctness can lead to censorship and artificial language that fails to effectively convey meaning of words. Do we want to sterilise the English language? Furthermore, I have seen political correctness with language in Australia taken to ridiculous extremes. I feel it has led to cultural damage with hypersensitivity that we as a society was better off without.

As a native Australian English speaker, I see no problem with the use of the word girl.

VirtuaGirl and DeskBabes are brand names and over time they have built up value with product identification. In a general business sense, brand recognition is a valuable asset. Many companies feel it is important to protect their brand and are willing to spend millions of dollars in advertising to support it.

Please consider "Ladies"

Just to clarify... VirtuaGirl must remain VirtuaGIRL... but in the software settings Model works just as well and in some aspects even better when adding the other series of the software. e.i. VirtuaGuy.

Personally I couldn't care less about the political correctness aspect of this. Girl, Model, Performer, Artist, Dancer... you call it what you want it's still great entertainment to me =)

They should technically be called strippers. Models refer to modeling, as in modeling clothes for display and advertisement purposes. These girls all take off their clothes, hence they should be called strippers. This term is gender and age neutral also.

I fully support the need to avoid and discourage offensive and derogatory language. But, when has the word girl been offensive?

To me there are two problems with quibbling about harmless words of this sort.

First, it has a tendency to sterilise language and encourage us to words with less effective meanings. To me, this is not a good thing.

Second, the effort to sanitise language can lead to a tendency for thought police. I feel this is a totally undesirable social influence. It could lead to terrible and dark places of suppression. Excuse the excessive dramatisation, I am trying convey this idea with *****.

It never ceases to amaze me how tetchy some people get over something so ***** as calling a girl a girl, jeez, when I go out for the night with my female friends we call it a GIRLS night out, and i'm what twice the age of most of the girls on this site ;)

When this program once started, it was named as a VirtuaGirl, and it was many years ago. This name has become a brand over the years. It's known. It's stable.
Changing the brand's name is never a good idea of causing unnecessary ***** and disappointment among customers out there.
But no one wants to change the brand's name. If I understand correctly it's the Desktop Settings we're talking about.

Models and Shows .. don't think that just couple of different words will raise the respect level higher as it is. It's the stability and high quality of the product, which ultimately ensures a true respect.
But on the other hand .. if these are just the changes inside the software, won't be a problem either. So it doesn't make a big difference to me actually.

Perhaps Models and Shows really sound better .. };-))

Yes to clarify my post, It was not about Political Correctness..
I try to avoid that topic - Political Correctness, all together..
my post was not about that..

As a MOD here I want to Caution members who post their opinion, to Avoid using Language that can be considered a personal attack on another member..
State you opinion without reference to any other member, or another members state of being.
Just because your view is different from another's, does not give you the right to attack their view.

@tyqi19my, This isn't just about being politically correct, its about respect allowing good business. If you had trained hard and performed a task for your boss allowing his/her company to make a substantial profit, would you be alright with him/her calling you 'boy' in front of others ?

Boy ~ Girl in itself doesn't mean demeaning, but it says nothing about the hard work the model may have done to get where she is. It recognises no ownership of her skills. And the word 'stripper' in current english vernacular usage can make it appear as though there is a rote performance offering zero other skills. 'Model' or 'dancer' gives the performer title over a skillset. It enhances her confidence & sets the stage for people to be impressed & spend. Model is now a widely recognised term by the pool of people already spending in Adult, so imho its a no brainer for attracting potential new members. Anyhow all this discussion is meant to help Totem understand our english better. I think we failed, lol.

For me the terms women, ladies, girls, strippers or models are all allright as long as used with respect for said ladies:)

I think it should stay girls and cards, me personally as much as i love adult stars i don't consider these females as models when i think of a the term model first thing that comes to mind is a catwalk and girls like Heidi, Tyra, and Adriana. I don't even see my favorite stars like Skin, Ava, and Samia in that light. It's two different art forms. And as said before politics and porn don't mix there is no kind of political correctness in that genre.

Sounds like nothing but political correct over sensitivity to me! English is my first language, and I see nothing wrong with it at all.

Now I don't see any ***** in changing the terms in the client if it makes other people more happy. I voted no in the poll because I don't see this as a needed change, and I think the term girls in the context is perfectly respectful, but if other people are loosing sleep over it, then go ahead and change it, won't bother me either way.

Apart from the 'women being the foundation of life, as life comes from birth etc' core, which I myself hold as true, nothing wrong with extra courtesy and respect to women in general, I wonder what the VirtuaGirls themselves think about this?

Seeying I like Burlesque as well (any option on a VirtuaBurlesque? ;)), seen as a form of art and tease as in strip tease, the opposite can also be true to keep in mind.
Striptease sells a fantasy and girls/actors/models/artists/performers perform in them, but what terminology gives more distance to the core activity? And besides not all activity is covered with alternating terminology, unless all models for example agree that pure masturbation scenes is considered a modeling activity?

I'd be happy to oblige to refer to them as models if so desired, but I would rather be teased by a girl than by the other terms implied, like burlesque and it's performers refer to their girls a lot as well with pride and they mostly refer to feminine power as well.
At least on what I see around me, girls have no weaker inclination, but as many does exist, changing terminology in settings and the like might benefit (to an extent).
The terminology used in the software has no direct impact on me, I am intrigued by the question though.
The other way around can also create more distance and objectification as one moves further from a persona, just food for thought as anything is possible with all sorts of perceptions on something, depends on the mindset one uses.

Although I can hardly find anything in the software itself besides maximum girls > maximum shows (as duo's would count for two) and girls' name > VirtuaGirls name or just name frequency, website Girls Store same as in software > VirtuaGirls store and possibly terminology used in front pages.
Age ranges between 18 and up to 39 years in my own collection and the Deskbabes website has an 18 popup on entree, that is pretty clear to me, something similar might be useful for VirtuaGirl as well?

I post this purely as a member. My point of view. NOT as a Mod.



No....Absolutely not. "Girls" all the way !!!

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest bit to be referred to as a boy.

This is just silly. "I want you to change everything because I don't think you should call a girl a "Girl" ???

Seriously ???

This is a joke.....Right ??

Call the "Girl" a "Model" and you will attract more customers ??

Again.......Seriously ???

That must be a joke.



Here's a novel idea......

Ask the "Girls" what They think.