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Illustrated explanation of sizes, scales and resolutions. Foro / Todo sobre iStripper
July 11, 2013 (edited)
We started filming all girls in 4K a few months ago and are starting to release new clips sizes and resolutions also with new functionalities in the software.
For years, VirtuaGirl clips have been released in two different sizes. One was bigger when the girls were sitting on the taskbar, and the other one was smaller when they were standing. This was mostly due to the limit of resolution of our previous camera. We were zooming the girls when they were sitting, knowing they'll never stand up to get a better resolution. This "zoomed" format also became the standard for DeskBabes. Both size roughly had the same size on screen, but were two different scales:
For years, VirtuaGirl clips have been released in two different sizes. One was bigger when the girls were sitting on the taskbar, and the other one was smaller when they were standing. This was mostly due to the limit of resolution of our previous camera. We were zooming the girls when they were sitting, knowing they'll never stand up to get a better resolution. This "zoomed" format also became the standard for DeskBabes. Both size roughly had the same size on screen, but were two different scales:
July 11, 2013
New clips released in 720p share the same size as the older clips when the girls are sitting on the taskbar, but they don't have two scales anymore. When the girls are standing up, they have the same proportions than when they are sitting, making them way bigger in size.
July 11, 2013
New clips released in 1080p are proportionaly larger than the older clips when the girls are sitting on the taskbar, and they also don't have two scales. Not only the girls are bigger in size when sitting, but when they stand up, they have the same proportions than when they are sitting, making them way bigger in size.
July 11, 2013
Having the girls in two different scales was a nice trick back then to see them in a better resolution, but it won't work well for our next big feature to come: multiple girls at once on your screen. This new feature is in testing, looks fabulous when all the girls are the same size, but silly if they're all different sizes.
July 11, 2013
We added a few extra control in advanced settings so everyone can tune the different sizes to its taste.
"Adjust all clips to 1080p in full size" adds a bit of extra zoom to the 720p clips when played in full size, so the girls filmed in 720p and 1080p have the same height on your screen. This is also done automatically when playing in small size.
"Adjust all clips to 1080p in full size" adds a bit of extra zoom to the 720p clips when played in full size, so the girls filmed in 720p and 1080p have the same height on your screen. This is also done automatically when playing in small size.
July 11, 2013
"Adjust lower resolutions clips to one size". New 720p and 1080p feature the same size on your screen for the models sitting or standing up. Older clips have been filmed in two different scales and they look smaller when standing up. This adds zoom to the older clips where the models are standing up if you want all the models to be one size from now.
SpaveInvader
Desde en Oct 2010 919 posts
July 11, 2013
does the "Adjust lower resolutions clips to one size" function also work for the classic cards?
BigSteve
Desde en Dec 2007 131 posts
July 11, 2013
Rex, among your many talents, you are also a great teacher. Now I realize why I have up to now always preferred taskbar clips.
Thanks for the clarification, not to mention the extra features.
Thanks for the clarification, not to mention the extra features.
DMon1981
Desde en Jan 2010 385 posts
July 11, 2013
@nicchi. I have a feeling that it is Bijou from her upcoming card Coastline 1394.Just scroll up and you will see the resemblance in the outfit.
http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=3&ftId=11133&gotolastpage=1#post400308
Todo sobre iStripper / Incoming new cards. If you don't want to know... don't look inside.
To avoid spoiling the surprise for those who don't want to know in advance anything about the incoming releases, i thought to start discussing and posting here the information about those. I concede t...
Shovg
Desde en Nov 2009 8 posts
July 11, 2013 (edited)
I sorry but it sounds to me what your saying is
New 1080p and 720p sitting clips are now been filmed at a lower resolution.
New 720p sitting clips will have only 60% of the pixels compared to old clips.
New 1080p sitting clips will actually be smaller than old 720p sitting clips having only 90% of the pixels.
Is this correct? are you really trying to tell us this is a good thing? You could just add a tickbox "fix scales for new feature" which would scale down the 1080p sitting clips and scale up the 720p standing ones
Having a close shot (now getting renamed sitting clip) was and still is a good idea, you shouldn't dump just because its inconvenient with respect to the changes to a 4k camera. Please don't cut the size of 720p and 1080p sitting clips. You can probably get away with it in 4k clips but you may very well end up changing that decision once screens capable of showing 4k clips without scaling down are common.
(numbers for % reductions worked out by relative scales in above pictures and assuming full height standing clips 1280 pixels high for 720p and 1920 pixels high for 1080p)
Shovg
New 1080p and 720p sitting clips are now been filmed at a lower resolution.
New 720p sitting clips will have only 60% of the pixels compared to old clips.
New 1080p sitting clips will actually be smaller than old 720p sitting clips having only 90% of the pixels.
Is this correct? are you really trying to tell us this is a good thing? You could just add a tickbox "fix scales for new feature" which would scale down the 1080p sitting clips and scale up the 720p standing ones
Having a close shot (now getting renamed sitting clip) was and still is a good idea, you shouldn't dump just because its inconvenient with respect to the changes to a 4k camera. Please don't cut the size of 720p and 1080p sitting clips. You can probably get away with it in 4k clips but you may very well end up changing that decision once screens capable of showing 4k clips without scaling down are common.
(numbers for % reductions worked out by relative scales in above pictures and assuming full height standing clips 1280 pixels high for 720p and 1920 pixels high for 1080p)
Shovg
MUFFDIVR
Desde en Feb 2009 304 posts
July 12, 2013 (edited)
I'm *****. My screen resolution is 1920 X 1080, and I have only older, 720p cards. My highest VGirl card number is 584; my highest DBabe card is 219.
I'm currently running version 1.1.0.70, but I will upgrade, as new versions become standard. My "Small" size is set to 30%, and my "Full" size is set to 100%. What desktop settings should I be using, both for "small" size and for "full" size, to get the best, most consistent effect?
I'm currently running version 1.1.0.70, but I will upgrade, as new versions become standard. My "Small" size is set to 30%, and my "Full" size is set to 100%. What desktop settings should I be using, both for "small" size and for "full" size, to get the best, most consistent effect?
July 12, 2013
Your Question:
"I sorry but it sounds to me what your saying is
New 1080p and 720p sitting clips are now been filmed at a lower resolution.
Is this correct?"
Answer:
NO, That is Not Correct!
All New Cards are Filmed in 4K resolution
Then processed to 720p, 1080p, or 3K screen resolutions.
"I sorry but it sounds to me what your saying is
New 1080p and 720p sitting clips are now been filmed at a lower resolution.
Is this correct?"
Answer:
NO, That is Not Correct!
All New Cards are Filmed in 4K resolution
Then processed to 720p, 1080p, or 3K screen resolutions.
Shovg
Desde en Nov 2009 8 posts
July 12, 2013 (edited)
Ok bad way for me to put the question. What I was trying to say is.
New 1080p and 720p will not have any "close shots" instead they will have "sitting clips". Girls will be doing the same action but 40% smaller on the screen than what we currently get.
So currently a 1080p close shot looks like the top picture
http://www.virtuagirl.com/data/imgworkdir/8438201_1373664867.jpg
But from now we will get 1080p sitting clip that will look like the second picture
http://www.virtuagirl.com/data/imgworkdir/8438201_1373664883.jpg
which is actually smaller than what you would get with a current 720p close shot.
Yes both are filmed at 4k resolution but in the processing they are going to scale down much more to make these sort of clips.
Of this I do not approve
New 1080p and 720p will not have any "close shots" instead they will have "sitting clips". Girls will be doing the same action but 40% smaller on the screen than what we currently get.
So currently a 1080p close shot looks like the top picture
http://www.virtuagirl.com/data/imgworkdir/8438201_1373664867.jpg
But from now we will get 1080p sitting clip that will look like the second picture
http://www.virtuagirl.com/data/imgworkdir/8438201_1373664883.jpg
which is actually smaller than what you would get with a current 720p close shot.
Yes both are filmed at 4k resolution but in the processing they are going to scale down much more to make these sort of clips.
Of this I do not approve
July 13, 2013 (edited)
NO, again you missed it..
Totem is NOT taking away any clip types..
720p clips:
The Old encoding system, had TWO sizes,
A Size for Standing type clips..
and a Size for Taskbar clips ( Sitting, Close shots, however you want to name them)
For the Task bar clips, they Zoomed in with the Camera, because it was too low resolution to Film from far away.
So the Older Standing clips were small proportion compared to the Taskbar clips.
The New System, does not Need Camera Zooming..
So the New Task bar clips will be kept the same as the old task bar clips..
but the New Standing clips will Increase in Height, to keep the Model in Proportion.
1080p clips will of course be Larger in Size than their 720p versions.
So the 1080p standing clips will be even larger then the new 720p standing clips.
I thought the pictures explained it all quite clearly.
and I don't understand why you Insist on saying the clips will be smaller.
Totem is NOT taking away any clip types..
720p clips:
The Old encoding system, had TWO sizes,
A Size for Standing type clips..
and a Size for Taskbar clips ( Sitting, Close shots, however you want to name them)
For the Task bar clips, they Zoomed in with the Camera, because it was too low resolution to Film from far away.
So the Older Standing clips were small proportion compared to the Taskbar clips.
The New System, does not Need Camera Zooming..
So the New Task bar clips will be kept the same as the old task bar clips..
but the New Standing clips will Increase in Height, to keep the Model in Proportion.
1080p clips will of course be Larger in Size than their 720p versions.
So the 1080p standing clips will be even larger then the new 720p standing clips.
I thought the pictures explained it all quite clearly.
and I don't understand why you Insist on saying the clips will be smaller.
Shovg
Desde en Nov 2009 8 posts
July 14, 2013 (edited)
I hope you are correct that clips arnt getting shrunk,
But from what I have read they are doing away with two sizes by adjusting the bigger one down to smaller, and I like the bigger one.
I think I did miss that 720p standing clips WILL be bigger, but the 720p sitting clips WILL be smaller. Not seen anything to say 1080p standing will be bigger only that sitting will be smaller.
and by my best calculation the new 1080p sitting clips will be smaller than the old 720p sitting clips.
to quote you
"1080p clips will of course be Larger in Size than their 720p versions.
So the 1080p standing clips will be even larger then the new 720p standing clips. "
NEW 1080p to NEW 720p no doubt, but what about NEW 1080p sitting clips to OLD 720p versions. Smaller? about the same? or am I wrong and they will be bigger?
Do you denie that new 1080p sitting clips will be smaller on screen that current 1080p clips?
I hope I am wrong
But from what I have read they are doing away with two sizes by adjusting the bigger one down to smaller, and I like the bigger one.
I think I did miss that 720p standing clips WILL be bigger, but the 720p sitting clips WILL be smaller. Not seen anything to say 1080p standing will be bigger only that sitting will be smaller.
and by my best calculation the new 1080p sitting clips will be smaller than the old 720p sitting clips.
to quote you
"1080p clips will of course be Larger in Size than their 720p versions.
So the 1080p standing clips will be even larger then the new 720p standing clips. "
NEW 1080p to NEW 720p no doubt, but what about NEW 1080p sitting clips to OLD 720p versions. Smaller? about the same? or am I wrong and they will be bigger?
Do you denie that new 1080p sitting clips will be smaller on screen that current 1080p clips?
I hope I am wrong
Oquijan
Desde en May 2009 1536 posts
July 14, 2013 (edited)
Well, to clarify a little to you.
1080p will always be at least as big as the biggest animations you saw at the old 720p, but actually bigger, no matter if close-ups or standing clips.
In the past the standing clips were smaller than the close-up clips, with the new stuff, both are the same and adjusted to the bigger reference for size, that is, the close-ups.
So, standing clips looks now at 1080 as big as the close-ups, and that is great, cause at times you can't tell you're watching an standing clip when the girl goes down to the floor, cause the size is equal, so the viewer get better views to the model at all times.
Then again, nothing got smaller with the new resolution, all is bigger.
And remember, at some point, 720p will be extinct for cards produced since the 2010. Maybe all that stuff before 2010 will be the new "Classics", since the resolution and size will be pretty much different and outdated.
1080p will always be at least as big as the biggest animations you saw at the old 720p, but actually bigger, no matter if close-ups or standing clips.
In the past the standing clips were smaller than the close-up clips, with the new stuff, both are the same and adjusted to the bigger reference for size, that is, the close-ups.
So, standing clips looks now at 1080 as big as the close-ups, and that is great, cause at times you can't tell you're watching an standing clip when the girl goes down to the floor, cause the size is equal, so the viewer get better views to the model at all times.
Then again, nothing got smaller with the new resolution, all is bigger.
And remember, at some point, 720p will be extinct for cards produced since the 2010. Maybe all that stuff before 2010 will be the new "Classics", since the resolution and size will be pretty much different and outdated.
Shovg
Desde en Nov 2009 8 posts
July 14, 2013
Thanks for you post Oquijan,
I worked out that if the 1080p sitting clips were reduced to the same scale as the standing clips they would be smaller (probably not by much) than old 720p. By measuring from pictures posted by totem. Will run through it a different way
1080p is 1.5 times 720p
As best as I can work out current zoom on sitting clips is so 1.53 (65% * 1.53 = 100% (I said 60% ==> but that didn't look like when I tried it out in a picture)
current 720p sitting clip 1*zoom of 1.53 = 1.53
New no zoom 1080p picutre 1*1.5 for 1080p = 1.5
So where did I go wrong ? hmmm
"In the past the standing clips were smaller than the close-up clips, with the new stuff, both are the same and adjusted to the bigger reference for size, that is, the close-ups.
So, standing clips looks now at 1080 as big as the close-ups, and that is great, cause at times you can't tell you're watching an standing clip when the girl goes down to the floor, cause the size is equal, so the viewer get better views to the model at all times."
So are you saying that the standing clips are being increased to match the sitting clips - because that cant be right as you get the above for a 1080p clip on a 1080p screen
http://www.virtuagirl.com/data/imgworkdir/8438201_1373809976.jpg
What I want to keep and not lose is the nice big screen filling 1080p sitting shots on my 1080p screen. I do not want to trade that feature in for one that allows multiple girls to dance at once.
I worked out that if the 1080p sitting clips were reduced to the same scale as the standing clips they would be smaller (probably not by much) than old 720p. By measuring from pictures posted by totem. Will run through it a different way
1080p is 1.5 times 720p
As best as I can work out current zoom on sitting clips is so 1.53 (65% * 1.53 = 100% (I said 60% ==> but that didn't look like when I tried it out in a picture)
current 720p sitting clip 1*zoom of 1.53 = 1.53
New no zoom 1080p picutre 1*1.5 for 1080p = 1.5
So where did I go wrong ? hmmm
"In the past the standing clips were smaller than the close-up clips, with the new stuff, both are the same and adjusted to the bigger reference for size, that is, the close-ups.
So, standing clips looks now at 1080 as big as the close-ups, and that is great, cause at times you can't tell you're watching an standing clip when the girl goes down to the floor, cause the size is equal, so the viewer get better views to the model at all times."
So are you saying that the standing clips are being increased to match the sitting clips - because that cant be right as you get the above for a 1080p clip on a 1080p screen
http://www.virtuagirl.com/data/imgworkdir/8438201_1373809976.jpg
What I want to keep and not lose is the nice big screen filling 1080p sitting shots on my 1080p screen. I do not want to trade that feature in for one that allows multiple girls to dance at once.
Oquijan
Desde en May 2009 1536 posts
July 14, 2013
Well, the perspective seems to be tricking you. If the model would stand up in that example she will be out of the screen too.
That's why theres a control to adjust the resolution to your screen. Your resolution is smaller than the size you can actually achieve with bigger resolutions, so that control is needed. If you get a bigger monitor, you would be able to watch the giant girls at their full glory.
Besides, the new stuff is still developing, at first you will see some animations a little bigger and some a little small, till Totem adjust the animation nicely to the new tecnology at hand. Watch the Priscilia Jones's cards and see the size.
I already saw plenty cards at 1080p and I can say the size is not disappointing.
That's why theres a control to adjust the resolution to your screen. Your resolution is smaller than the size you can actually achieve with bigger resolutions, so that control is needed. If you get a bigger monitor, you would be able to watch the giant girls at their full glory.
Besides, the new stuff is still developing, at first you will see some animations a little bigger and some a little small, till Totem adjust the animation nicely to the new tecnology at hand. Watch the Priscilia Jones's cards and see the size.
I already saw plenty cards at 1080p and I can say the size is not disappointing.
harshie
Desde en Jul 2008 183 posts
July 19, 2013 (edited)
Ok . . Bijou's newest card (1394 Coastline) is larger than my screen (1600 x 900). So I tried different combinations of advanced settings and found how to get all girls to appear the approximate same size when standing in full mode. However now I have to watch fuzzing animations of over 1000 girls in order to be able to watch the new shows and keep all girls the same approximate size in full mode. Gee . . thanks for ruining full mode for over 1000 girls Totem.
Yes, I know if I do not check "adjust lower resolution files to one size" they are not fuzzy, but then full mode shows girls are in different sizes when standing.
For now, I will create a playlist with older files on it and a separate playlist with new (larger) files on it so I can still enjoy full mode.
It would be nice if the there was an advanced setting that automatically shrinks new standing files to match older standing clips at their true 100% size instead enlarging older files and making them fuzzy.
Yes, I know if I do not check "adjust lower resolution files to one size" they are not fuzzy, but then full mode shows girls are in different sizes when standing.
For now, I will create a playlist with older files on it and a separate playlist with new (larger) files on it so I can still enjoy full mode.
It would be nice if the there was an advanced setting that automatically shrinks new standing files to match older standing clips at their true 100% size instead enlarging older files and making them fuzzy.
Shovg
Desde en Nov 2009 8 posts
July 19, 2013
Just posting to say that Wyldanimal worked out where I was going wrong in another thread on same topic.
The pictures posted by totem in this thread are not to scale. So I read that the zoom was being removed then tried to work out how much smaller the clips would be from the pictures - which are not to scale.
Sorry
The pictures posted by totem in this thread are not to scale. So I read that the zoom was being removed then tried to work out how much smaller the clips would be from the pictures - which are not to scale.
Sorry
Ironman79
Desde en Dec 2010 439 posts
July 20, 2013
I've been trying to follow all the mew announcements on the advancements and i understand your computer resolution is a factor but is your tv size a factor too should i be looking for a bigger tv, and if so what is the idea size so i can get the full 1080 experience so i won't just be seeing the girls legs.
July 20, 2013 (edited)
The Size of the TV: 26", 40" 55" 60" 80"
Is not what determines if the models will fit or not.
All 16:9 Full HD TV's are the SAME Pixel resolution
1920W x 1080H
The 1080H is the Height. That is what determines it.
Clarity / Crispness is determined by the Dot Pitch.
Measure the Height of the Screen in Inches or mm
Divide the Height by 1080, and that gives you the Size of a Single Pixel element,
or Dot Pitch.
Dot Pitch could be bigger than the actual Pixel size.
(some pixels have a void of black around them, so the Spacing or Pitch from Pixel to Pixel is the Dot Pitch which included the size of the pixel and this void area)
Since the Number of Pixels is constant, 1080.
As the TV screen gets bigger, the Size of a Single Pixel Element gets Bigger.
Bigger Pixels, mean loss of Crispness and Clarity.
Up close you will even see jagged edges.
Just Recently, UHD 4K TV's have been introduced. $$$$$
These start at 55" and currently go up to 110"
They support 3840W x 2160H resolution
with 2160 being 2X the Height of Full HD 1080.
At 55" the New 4K set will have 4X the Clarity / Crispness of the Same Size 55" HD TV.
The 4K TV will have 4 Pixel elements in the same space needed by 1 Pixel of the HD set. So 4X as sharp.
4?? ( 2x horizontal and 2x Vertical = 4)
Consumer Grade Computer Monitors up to 30"
are now supporting resolutions of
2,560W x 1,600H
The Important number to look at is called Native resolution.
The Number of Pixels in Height is what to look for.
Is not what determines if the models will fit or not.
All 16:9 Full HD TV's are the SAME Pixel resolution
1920W x 1080H
The 1080H is the Height. That is what determines it.
Clarity / Crispness is determined by the Dot Pitch.
Measure the Height of the Screen in Inches or mm
Divide the Height by 1080, and that gives you the Size of a Single Pixel element,
or Dot Pitch.
Dot Pitch could be bigger than the actual Pixel size.
(some pixels have a void of black around them, so the Spacing or Pitch from Pixel to Pixel is the Dot Pitch which included the size of the pixel and this void area)
Since the Number of Pixels is constant, 1080.
As the TV screen gets bigger, the Size of a Single Pixel Element gets Bigger.
Bigger Pixels, mean loss of Crispness and Clarity.
Up close you will even see jagged edges.
Just Recently, UHD 4K TV's have been introduced. $$$$$
These start at 55" and currently go up to 110"
They support 3840W x 2160H resolution
with 2160 being 2X the Height of Full HD 1080.
At 55" the New 4K set will have 4X the Clarity / Crispness of the Same Size 55" HD TV.
The 4K TV will have 4 Pixel elements in the same space needed by 1 Pixel of the HD set. So 4X as sharp.
4?? ( 2x horizontal and 2x Vertical = 4)
Consumer Grade Computer Monitors up to 30"
are now supporting resolutions of
2,560W x 1,600H
The Important number to look at is called Native resolution.
The Number of Pixels in Height is what to look for.
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