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Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011
Hi, I'm a subscribed virtuagirl user. About 2 years ago I had a full collection and until the end of subscription for each day without a new girl I received a free ticket.
After the subscription ended, I canceled it and a year later I subscribed again. Now I'm close to filling the collection again and I'm wondering if the ticket rule still works? if yes, I might use it to get some free deskbabes or VG Classics :) Anyone knows the answer?
After the subscription ended, I canceled it and a year later I subscribed again. Now I'm close to filling the collection again and I'm wondering if the ticket rule still works? if yes, I might use it to get some free deskbabes or VG Classics :) Anyone knows the answer?
Oquijan
Desde en May 2009 1536 posts
November 1, 2011
No more free tickets. That was removed long ago. ;)
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011 (edited)
Hm, sounds like we all got ripped off... is there any replacement rule? what about the money I payed for the subscription and getting only 4 girls a week instead of 7? any ideas?
Oquijan
Desde en May 2009 1536 posts
November 1, 2011
Nope.
But you can see the stuff about this here: tickets
But you can see the stuff about this here:
http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=10&ftId=6225&forum_search=free
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Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011
@Oquijan
ok, thanks for the thread. I guess it was done with a purpose, totem was planning to put out Deskbabes and VG Classic Cards and was not planning to put them on a subscription plan. So the maxed out (i.e. most dedicated users) users with 300 or 400 free tickets would get all the fun stuff for free, which would have been a huge money loss for totem... guess that is why they closed the shop!
ok, thanks for the thread. I guess it was done with a purpose, totem was planning to put out Deskbabes and VG Classic Cards and was not planning to put them on a subscription plan. So the maxed out (i.e. most dedicated users) users with 300 or 400 free tickets would get all the fun stuff for free, which would have been a huge money loss for totem... guess that is why they closed the shop!
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011 (edited)
Well I can't agree on "long before", it WAS long before the users knew that they were releasing those products, but totem knew that way earlier, they just counted potential losses, with active users (who btw. were primary target group for the new products). Since they released DB more than a year ago, announced more than 2 years ago, then "long before" comes down to few months and I'm pretty sure that they have already made the calculations by that time.
As an example for now we have about 250 DB Cards. Users with 300 or 400 free tickets could have them all without paying a cent, instead they could have their subscriptions prolonged to get some additional free tickets and it would work as the subscription for the DB.
Can you imagine the money loss from that?
At the same time the main argument for totem was, "what you need free tickets for, if you can't use them"... well now we can, maybe it's about time to open up the shop again. :)
As an example for now we have about 250 DB Cards. Users with 300 or 400 free tickets could have them all without paying a cent, instead they could have their subscriptions prolonged to get some additional free tickets and it would work as the subscription for the DB.
Can you imagine the money loss from that?
At the same time the main argument for totem was, "what you need free tickets for, if you can't use them"... well now we can, maybe it's about time to open up the shop again. :)
November 1, 2011
As a person who fought in the wars over free tickets BEFORE I became a mod, I do not want to see these wars revived.
Totem explained why, they discontinued previous offers and based on those explainations at that time, I went to war, with quite a few members, some of whom explained hadexplained how they were ripping off the system.
Now later as a mod, I remember the anguish of those days, and I do not want to see them repeated. I remember a lost friend supporting me in those previous days and it reminds me of the loss.
Totem, changed and published their guidelines, and people continued to subscribe, thereby accepting the change.
Raise issues if you like, but keep it calm, keep it cival, or I will reach for my friend's tiple and start wacking.
Totem explained why, they discontinued previous offers and based on those explainations at that time, I went to war, with quite a few members, some of whom explained hadexplained how they were ripping off the system.
Now later as a mod, I remember the anguish of those days, and I do not want to see them repeated. I remember a lost friend supporting me in those previous days and it reminds me of the loss.
Totem, changed and published their guidelines, and people continued to subscribe, thereby accepting the change.
Raise issues if you like, but keep it calm, keep it cival, or I will reach for my friend's tiple and start wacking.
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011 (edited)
@CyberVixen
You don't have to be aggressive, yes it's my choice prolong or not the sub and also I'm free to express my opinion and yes, you are free to like it or not. But I'm not requesting you to do anything to protect totems rights, they're big boys and can somehow take care of themselves.
and NO, I haven't asked YOUR opinion on opening up the shop again, it is called rhetorical question, and YES I'm 100% sure they won't open it.
Also I don't think that totem SURVIVES in this business, they have enough money not to do such things as canceling free bonuses.
As for subscription to virtuagirl only, I'm pretty much aware of that, but in this case why not separate the accounts for DB and VG and don't give the users the possibility to use same cards for both sites? (also a rhetorical, no need to answer)
You don't have to be aggressive, yes it's my choice prolong or not the sub and also I'm free to express my opinion and yes, you are free to like it or not. But I'm not requesting you to do anything to protect totems rights, they're big boys and can somehow take care of themselves.
and NO, I haven't asked YOUR opinion on opening up the shop again, it is called rhetorical question, and YES I'm 100% sure they won't open it.
Also I don't think that totem SURVIVES in this business, they have enough money not to do such things as canceling free bonuses.
As for subscription to virtuagirl only, I'm pretty much aware of that, but in this case why not separate the accounts for DB and VG and don't give the users the possibility to use same cards for both sites? (also a rhetorical, no need to answer)
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011 (edited)
@Cartref
Totally agree, no intention to start a war, I just found out "no more free tickets" issue and wanted to express my opinion. For the moment totem canceled the free tickets, it seemed logical, but in the light of DB and VG Classics, it came to my mind that intention was different. That is off course only my humble opinion. That's all.
Totally agree, no intention to start a war, I just found out "no more free tickets" issue and wanted to express my opinion. For the moment totem canceled the free tickets, it seemed logical, but in the light of DB and VG Classics, it came to my mind that intention was different. That is off course only my humble opinion. That's all.
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011
Looks like they did separate accounts for DB and VG :)
Starryk
Desde en Nov 2008 1848 posts
November 1, 2011
Karlito76 wrote "Looks like they did separate accounts for DB and VG :) "
??? That would be news to me. there are no separate accounts for VG and DB which is a good thing. If you buy Credits you can use them on either site.
It might just take a while till the credits are showing up on the other site. you might have to log out from the other site and log in again to make them show up.
But there are no separate accounts.
??? That would be news to me. there are no separate accounts for VG and DB which is a good thing. If you buy Credits you can use them on either site.
It might just take a while till the credits are showing up on the other site. you might have to log out from the other site and log in again to make them show up.
But there are no separate accounts.
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011
@Starryk
that might be the case, just bought the credits for DB and they do not show on the VG site :) might need to log out, but I'm too lazy to do that :)
that might be the case, just bought the credits for DB and they do not show on the VG site :) might need to log out, but I'm too lazy to do that :)
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 1, 2011 (edited)
@CyberVixen
check out my prevoius comment. More than 1 year since DB went on-line thats more than 365 Days, two years since the announcement of new soft (DB) that's more than 730 days, 998 minus more than 730 equals to less than 268 days, thats some months prior to deskbabes release.
Every large business (like totem) knows their plans much earlier than that and does the preparatory work!
check out my prevoius comment. More than 1 year since DB went on-line thats more than 365 Days, two years since the announcement of new soft (DB) that's more than 730 days, 998 minus more than 730 equals to less than 268 days, thats some months prior to deskbabes release.
Every large business (like totem) knows their plans much earlier than that and does the preparatory work!
SylvanSnake
Desde en Sep 2009 33 posts
November 1, 2011 (edited)
Maybe, I'm being naive here, and not intending to start a war by any means, but... how is Totem losing money by people maintaining their subscriptions instead of canceling them? I don't quite follow this logic.
I still have a long way to go for maxing my VGHD collection, but I still have yet to buy a single Classic card. I already have all the DB cards worth getting, thanks to the discount sale. It might be worth it for me to extend my subscription for the sake of acquiring a few Classics, but barring that, I would probably cancel for 6 months and "maybe" subscribe again after that time. So how is this arrangement making more money for Totem?
I agree 1 ticket per day might be overkill, but how about a ticket per week as a compromise?
I still have a long way to go for maxing my VGHD collection, but I still have yet to buy a single Classic card. I already have all the DB cards worth getting, thanks to the discount sale. It might be worth it for me to extend my subscription for the sake of acquiring a few Classics, but barring that, I would probably cancel for 6 months and "maybe" subscribe again after that time. So how is this arrangement making more money for Totem?
I agree 1 ticket per day might be overkill, but how about a ticket per week as a compromise?
November 1, 2011
Guys,
This topic is OLD. Totem made the decision a long, long time ago and for very good reasons. As I said, there were "wars" over this issue which I contributed to, long before I became a mod.
Totem are not going to back track on this and your engery would be better served in suggesting other ways to reward long standing membes.
This topic is OLD. Totem made the decision a long, long time ago and for very good reasons. As I said, there were "wars" over this issue which I contributed to, long before I became a mod.
Totem are not going to back track on this and your engery would be better served in suggesting other ways to reward long standing membes.
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 2, 2011
@Cartref
I'm not sure that even if we will make some suggestion on how to reward long standing members, totem will bring 'em to life, sorry...
I'm not sure that even if we will make some suggestion on how to reward long standing members, totem will bring 'em to life, sorry...
Work2Much
Desde en Jun 2009 23 posts
November 2, 2011
My main man *Cartref. Peacekeeper, moderator, and the USA's Ambassador to Totemland.
His talents are under appreciated, as Cyber Vixens (who scolded me once)~ so what!
IT'S THE FEW WHO FUCKUP THE WORKS FOR THE MANY. Reward for this two plus year - nine hundred-thirty something card member? Ah Gee. Would an invite to Paris during Melisa's *Christmas shoot be too much? Of course, I coudn't come wihout my 18 y/o (first year college) son who needs to see a Paris Ballet (real bad).
I'm keepin my collection(s) as long as they exist. PEACE! and Happy Holidays (soon).
His talents are under appreciated, as Cyber Vixens (who scolded me once)~ so what!
IT'S THE FEW WHO FUCKUP THE WORKS FOR THE MANY. Reward for this two plus year - nine hundred-thirty something card member? Ah Gee. Would an invite to Paris during Melisa's *Christmas shoot be too much? Of course, I coudn't come wihout my 18 y/o (first year college) son who needs to see a Paris Ballet (real bad).
I'm keepin my collection(s) as long as they exist. PEACE! and Happy Holidays (soon).
November 2, 2011
@Karlito,
They do listen, especially TotemRex and they have implemented suggestions in the past, but how to reward longstanding members has been discussed a lot in a range of topics.
Most suggestions I have seen are IMHO unrealistically generous and would not be followed through on.
Look for topics on ideas for VIP members, the may not just be in the Ideas category, but also the Platinum category which has a level of restricted access that includes VIP members.
They do listen, especially TotemRex and they have implemented suggestions in the past, but how to reward longstanding members has been discussed a lot in a range of topics.
Most suggestions I have seen are IMHO unrealistically generous and would not be followed through on.
Look for topics on ideas for VIP members, the may not just be in the Ideas category, but also the Platinum category which has a level of restricted access that includes VIP members.
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 2, 2011
@SylvanSnake
the mechanism is very simple... You buy subscription for VG only, but there is no use from it on DB site, you won't get any models if you are subscribed VG user. To get the DB animations you have to buy them with tickets, and tickets come only with extra money.
It was different earlier, if you had a full collection you were getting one free ticket for each day without a new girl, i.e. 3 tickets a week, that is exactly the number of girls released per week for DB :)
So according to current release policy any maxed user could get all new weekly DB cards for free... That's how totem could lose money. :)
the mechanism is very simple... You buy subscription for VG only, but there is no use from it on DB site, you won't get any models if you are subscribed VG user. To get the DB animations you have to buy them with tickets, and tickets come only with extra money.
It was different earlier, if you had a full collection you were getting one free ticket for each day without a new girl, i.e. 3 tickets a week, that is exactly the number of girls released per week for DB :)
So according to current release policy any maxed user could get all new weekly DB cards for free... That's how totem could lose money. :)
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 2, 2011
@Cartref
If totem really listens to the subscribers, that is a good thing. I'd be more than happy to make a suggestion, but I don't want to make same suggestions twice. Maype you can give me a thred that you think has best suggestions and if I'll have any ideas I'll post there.
As for rewards, I understand that totem wont be very generous, but we were subscribed (at leas the oldest users) to get a girl per day, or a compensation, which we are not getting anymore. That is my point :)
Thanks anyway.
If totem really listens to the subscribers, that is a good thing. I'd be more than happy to make a suggestion, but I don't want to make same suggestions twice. Maype you can give me a thred that you think has best suggestions and if I'll have any ideas I'll post there.
As for rewards, I understand that totem wont be very generous, but we were subscribed (at leas the oldest users) to get a girl per day, or a compensation, which we are not getting anymore. That is my point :)
Thanks anyway.
Dionysus937
Desde en Aug 2009 75 posts
November 2, 2011
Absolutely, Totem does listen to subscribers and many features are implemented. Even if it's a simple text change (Someone had said that the tab labelled "Girls Store" on the website didn't sound right and suggested "VirtuaGirls Store" - Rex hopped on and immediately agreed and changed it per his suggestion).
And then there's me (among other members), who basically held a pseudo-WallStreet protest (I'm kidding, it was a very relaxed suggestion), to get the new Trimmed filter added. Wa-La! After asking a bunch-o times, Totem popped and said, "Your wish is my command." :-)
They all are watching everywhere, even if they aren't posting (too busy). So, where-ever you post, your voice is heard.
It's just that this situation -- and as Cartef has stated -- is so messy. If Totem credited maxed out subscribers accounts, then ya, we all could hop over to the other sites where profit only happens by not subscriptions, but by tickets, Totem looses money. Then, there's a worm hole that's created, that if people get so many credits, they will ALWAYS have maxed out accounts.
This is a situation to best leave it as it is: Maxed subscribers should contact Totem support to freeze their subscription. No credits will be issued. It's the person's responsibility to notice whether or not they're maxed (Totem can't monitor all of our accounts themselves). :-) This is the best and most logical route to go.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
And then there's me (among other members), who basically held a pseudo-WallStreet protest (I'm kidding, it was a very relaxed suggestion), to get the new Trimmed filter added. Wa-La! After asking a bunch-o times, Totem popped and said, "Your wish is my command." :-)
They all are watching everywhere, even if they aren't posting (too busy). So, where-ever you post, your voice is heard.
It's just that this situation -- and as Cartef has stated -- is so messy. If Totem credited maxed out subscribers accounts, then ya, we all could hop over to the other sites where profit only happens by not subscriptions, but by tickets, Totem looses money. Then, there's a worm hole that's created, that if people get so many credits, they will ALWAYS have maxed out accounts.
This is a situation to best leave it as it is: Maxed subscribers should contact Totem support to freeze their subscription. No credits will be issued. It's the person's responsibility to notice whether or not they're maxed (Totem can't monitor all of our accounts themselves). :-) This is the best and most logical route to go.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 2, 2011
@ Dionysus937
I totally agree, freezing of the subs sounds logical to me. I would even go further and propose to give this possibility directly to users (via website, under my account), so they can freeze or unfreeze their accounts upon their wish!
I totally agree, freezing of the subs sounds logical to me. I would even go further and propose to give this possibility directly to users (via website, under my account), so they can freeze or unfreeze their accounts upon their wish!
SylvanSnake
Desde en Sep 2009 33 posts
November 2, 2011 (edited)
@Karlito Whether it's individual ticket sales, or subscription, Totem is still making money. The money stays in their bank account even if your subscription is being used to fund DB cards. Having a full collection means you've likely already given Totem over $1,000 over the years, I'd hardly consider a few bonus tickets spent on DB cards to be a loss. Rather, they may believe not giving away tickets will maximize their profits, which is entirely in their rights, of course.
Nevertheless, I concede that this policy is unlikely to change. I'm merely arguing against the claim of massive lost revenue in either case. No intention of starting a war over this, at any rate.
Nevertheless, I concede that this policy is unlikely to change. I'm merely arguing against the claim of massive lost revenue in either case. No intention of starting a war over this, at any rate.
Karlito76
Desde en Mar 2008 14 posts
November 3, 2011
@SylvanSnake
Totally agree with you. I've absolutely no intention of starting a war over this issue. Just simple mathematics:
over the years I've spent $420 to get the full collection: $60 - 6 month subscription, that equals to 128 girls and I have 943.
943 Animations = $420 over 3 years (and I'll get some more until my subscription runs out by the end of december)
There are 240 DB animations - now they are on sale for 1 ticket each, i.e. $50 = 50 girls, that means that for the full collection you need $250. By the old rules solos cost was 2 tickets and duos - 3 tickets, take an average of 2.5 tickets for an Animation and you're getting 600 tickets.
240 Animations = 240 Tickets = $250 (new price)
240 Animations = 600 Tickets = $600 (old price)
Something tells me that 943 animations for $420 are cheaper than 240 Animations for $250 (or $600).
Can you imagine the number of VG users that would like to have DB animations? Let's say there are only 10 000 worldwide (I believe there are waaaaay more than that) and each of them has spent $100, then a profit is $1 000 000 (One million US dollars), don't you think it's a loss?
Hope you see the difference now. That is just my POW. Once again no bad feelings, it's just my opinion.
Totally agree with you. I've absolutely no intention of starting a war over this issue. Just simple mathematics:
over the years I've spent $420 to get the full collection: $60 - 6 month subscription, that equals to 128 girls and I have 943.
943 Animations = $420 over 3 years (and I'll get some more until my subscription runs out by the end of december)
There are 240 DB animations - now they are on sale for 1 ticket each, i.e. $50 = 50 girls, that means that for the full collection you need $250. By the old rules solos cost was 2 tickets and duos - 3 tickets, take an average of 2.5 tickets for an Animation and you're getting 600 tickets.
240 Animations = 240 Tickets = $250 (new price)
240 Animations = 600 Tickets = $600 (old price)
Something tells me that 943 animations for $420 are cheaper than 240 Animations for $250 (or $600).
Can you imagine the number of VG users that would like to have DB animations? Let's say there are only 10 000 worldwide (I believe there are waaaaay more than that) and each of them has spent $100, then a profit is $1 000 000 (One million US dollars), don't you think it's a loss?
Hope you see the difference now. That is just my POW. Once again no bad feelings, it's just my opinion.
TallandSlimMan
Desde en Apr 2008 466 posts
November 3, 2011
My background is in marketing, and I marveled at some of the poor marketing decisions (in my opinion) that Totem has made in the past. But I must say that it appears they are learning on the job. Again in my opinion: They are now doing a good job of walking the line between pleasing customers and profits.
I appreciate that Totem listens to the input of members.
I appreciate that Totem listens to the input of members.
SylvanSnake
Desde en Sep 2009 33 posts
November 9, 2011 (edited)
@Karlito
It's not a loss if the VG subscriber is canceling a subscription and not buying DB cards individually.
On the other side of the coin, why does Totem offer subscriptions for VG in the first place? Because it promotes more sales. It attracts more customers. I think their customer base is still growing at an incredible rate. If people can get a few DB cards with their subscriptions, more people would subscribe. I think the marketing is quite complex in this situation, but either way, the Totem team can still drive their expensive cars back to their big houses and plasma screen TVs at the end of the day.
The other thing to consider is this. I think a large percentage of ticket sales spent on VGHD are for new customers who are curious about the software. They buy a few cards just to see what it does. That's what gets them hooked. Then they subscribe because it's more cost effective than buying a large collection with tickets. Then, after they subscribe, they might get a daily show that they really like and decide to buy more tickets so they can have all that girl's shows.
If there was no subscription option, these people would probably just spend their 10 tickets and not buy much more. Because really, there are cheaper ways to get porn on the internet anyway.
Instead of just looking at the raw mathematics, it is also important to analyze human behavior. In a simple supply and demand scenario, the math works. People need gas, they must buy it. But in VG and DB, they have to decide if it's worth spending their hard-earned money.
It's not a loss if the VG subscriber is canceling a subscription and not buying DB cards individually.
On the other side of the coin, why does Totem offer subscriptions for VG in the first place? Because it promotes more sales. It attracts more customers. I think their customer base is still growing at an incredible rate. If people can get a few DB cards with their subscriptions, more people would subscribe. I think the marketing is quite complex in this situation, but either way, the Totem team can still drive their expensive cars back to their big houses and plasma screen TVs at the end of the day.
The other thing to consider is this. I think a large percentage of ticket sales spent on VGHD are for new customers who are curious about the software. They buy a few cards just to see what it does. That's what gets them hooked. Then they subscribe because it's more cost effective than buying a large collection with tickets. Then, after they subscribe, they might get a daily show that they really like and decide to buy more tickets so they can have all that girl's shows.
If there was no subscription option, these people would probably just spend their 10 tickets and not buy much more. Because really, there are cheaper ways to get porn on the internet anyway.
Instead of just looking at the raw mathematics, it is also important to analyze human behavior. In a simple supply and demand scenario, the math works. People need gas, they must buy it. But in VG and DB, they have to decide if it's worth spending their hard-earned money.
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