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Duos - Poor Direction

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Marke998
Desde en Aug 2009

5 posts
May 9, 2010 (edited)
Hi,

I'm quite disappointed by the Deskbabes duos. They remind me of the cheesy soft porn of the 70's when the female pornstars didn't know what to do with each other and were clearly not very interested in performing. And the reason for this? Because the girls were so badly directed - just like they are on VGHD and Deskbabes.

To some degree, VGHD can get away with it because it has that cute 'tease but no explicitness' thing going on. This is what appealed to me about VGHD to start with - a place where hard porn doesn't exist. It gives VGHD a clear demarcation from the many sites that push the barriers of pornography further and further and reminds us that flirty sexiness can be just as appealing and in some cases better than hard porn.

Deskbabes seems to attempt to fill a gap that doesn't exist - soft simulated porn. If two women are going to perform together, irrespective of what they are doing, I'd like to see them enjoying themselves and the whole idea of seeing girls shoving vibrators in each others' mouths or pretending to finger each other just doesn't work for me. They frequently look as though they are either just having a giggle (which is ok in small doses) or pretending really badly to have sex with each other. Sure, they insert things in each other but it's not very convincing and that's where Deskbabes falls down. I can't imagine that two girls who are into each other would stand next to each other rubbing themselves rather than each other. Does Totem really think that there's any value in buying a card that shows two girls together who do not interact or who only interact in a simulated way? I find it a strange combination that in some scenes the girls are truly having sex with each other and then in other scenes, the same two girls just pretend to lick or finger each other.

What is lacking from this is clear direction; it's as if the girls are told to stand on stage and just 'do something'. They don't appear to have worked out a routine or asked to make what they do look realistic.

When I look at two women poking each other in the chest with dildos or pushing vibrators down their own or each others' throats I ask myself, would girls really do this to each other or to themselves? I think not.

I can't fault the quality of the new shows. The outfits are great and the sounds add a further dimension to the shows but the ***** of good quality direction leaves me feeling disappointed by the shows.

I think Totem should either stick with the ultra-soft format of VGHD or give those members who want it, the opportunity to access hard porn. Going for something inbetween neither satisfies the viewer nor enhances Totem's credibility in this marketplace.

Mark.
jununger
Desde en Oct 2007

1243 posts
May 9, 2010
Thanks for a great post Mark.

I agree, more direction and genuine interaction is needed to give the edge needed in the market today. Bad acting won't work in the long run and once the first "wow" is over there's really little real substance...
Oquijan
Desde en May 2009

1536 posts
May 11, 2010
I totally agree with Marke998. Seems to me that Totem brought a lot of VG into DBs, and that is not a good thing, imho. I just saw a duo and i found it quite unimpressive, tamed and even boring. The x-rated clips were "fine", but the rest of the stuff... i saw harder at VG old times.

Please, focus in the viewer, instruct the models to perform for the spectator even if they're playing between them and don't take the hot stuff to a second or third plane. This is not about dancing, hardcore is one of those "in your face" things.

This product is expensive, 10 bucks only get you 2 duos. The offer out there for hot lesbian is huge. Girls only looking cute and pretending in such a false manner, looking away for instructions and not knowing what to do next just won't bring you my green bills, Totem fellows.

Oh, and the sound... I understand that you're used to do all kind of noises at VG filming, with the music loud and the fact that those shows are mute, but the first instruction when you're taping with sound is: "Silence!"

And you give directions before taping, not during the actual performance. That only leads to spoil any kind of possible rhythm the models are trying to get, resulting in a poor pretended act.

Just my two cents.
Matsuri
Desde en Mar 2010

3 posts
May 11, 2010
Agree. I bought 2 duo and 2 single DB cards to get an impression, and I am disappointed, too.


As Marke998 pointed out, the next-door-girl amateurish "just go out and do something" feeling made (and makes) a big part of VG and its sexyness - but it does not work out in DB. As already said - do a real transition, or just keep VG as it is.

On top of the said, for me even the single cards are less appealing than VG ones. Due to the toys there is less (in quantity and quality) dancing and moving, and the almost bored use of a toy doesn't make it better.
millertime
Desde en Oct 2007

72 posts
May 11, 2010
You have to understand that if the girls were to interact naturally, it would be impossible to get the right angles with the cameras. So when the girls perform, they have to perform with the camera in mind. Even porn stars never have sex in real life the same way they do on camera. And when the girls set next to each other, fingering themselves instead of each other, I like that. I like both, but I like watching that. I too can tell though when some of the girls aren't really into each other. But that's understandable. In a sence, the girls are putting their lives on the line every day on the job. With how bad aids and other sexually transmitted diseases are becoming in the industry, I have no problem with my favorite actresses being somewhat overcautious with girls they may not feel completely comfortable with. Sometimes it may reflect negatively on the show. I'm just glad my favorite girls are there. Maybe the girls have been fighting all day. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to make it look real if you've been fighting with that person all day? There's no way Totem can just re-schedule and keep flying girls all over the world just so they can come back in a better mood. You wanna pay 10 credits per show? Me either.

It's like sports, people set in their recliners watching a game on tv and get so angry at their star pitcher or quarterback for playing poorly and having a bad game. We don't know if he was sick that day or how beat up he is from a previous game. He still has to play if he wants to keep his job.

That's what is great about the rating system. Rate the girls who are so into it very high and those who aren't very low. And do research before you buy. Check the forums and comments sections for feedback before blowing your money on a show you might not enjoy.

I will agree though, there is always room for improvment. :)
Oquijan
Desde en May 2009

1536 posts
May 11, 2010 (edited)
And room for justifications also. ;)

And let me add, all the criticism here is based upon what you can see. Either it has quality or not, it's totally irrelevant the reasons, for instance, behind a guy chatting behind the camera, maybe he is ordering a pizza, cause maybe he is so hungry, poor guy, for working so hard all day, and if he doesn't eat he won't be strong enough to do his job and we'll end up paying ten tickets for a show that might need to be done again cause he didn't place the lights right cause he was starving. So let him call for pizza and do every noises he wants. We can rate the cards accordingly after all. Really? Sent the guy to do his talking outside the set and that's it.

The shows have good moments and lame moments, good angles and bad angles, good acting and bad acting. Should there be more goodies than badies? Yes, of course, that is called to be professional and careful about what you're doing. And this thread is about direction and production, not about excusing the models, that are also either professionals or not.
Matsuri
Desde en Mar 2010

3 posts
May 12, 2010
@rawise2:

You got it wrong. It is not about the arts of stripping or whatsoever - it is about the quality and the professionalism of the production itself - and here there is a clear step backward compared to VG.

Btw, the whole erotic industry is about "making money showing horny people naked women" - so what? That does not prevent other companies to do professional shots.
v2now
Desde en Dec 2008

258 posts
May 12, 2010
the DB DUOs have the same prob vghd duos have it looks like the girls dont care.to make it work they have to at least pretend to have interest in each other.
millertime
Desde en Oct 2007

72 posts
May 15, 2010
I don't know what your guys' thinking is. Some of the shows the girls will be very into each other, and some not. That's why we have a rating system. You seem to be asking that all shows must have a minimum 10 rating. That is just impossible and unreasonable.
Marke998
Desde en Aug 2009

5 posts
May 16, 2010 (edited)
I've not seen any comments in this topic so far that lend weight to the argument that things are ok as they are. Some seem to think that because it's porn, we should accept second best, that all companies spew out sub-standard material and Totem are just the same as everyone else. I disagree with this for various reasons - when Totem try, they get it more or less right. Also, there's plenty of high quality porn out there and there's an appetite for change (for the better). Yes, there's some really low quality porn but so what? As people have better and better access to this market, the prices have gone down and standards have gone up.

Totem have invested in better quality cameras and employed good looking women. What they don't do very well is to combine the two in a way that delivers great shows.

If they up their game, there's no risk of price increase because they are paying for the girls' time and they already perform hardcore sex on some occasions in the DB shows (so there's no increase in risk to the girls' health either as someone suggested :-)

The purpose of my original comments was simply to point out that they could do better and risk being put out of business by the competition in the future if they don't up their game. There's nothing about DB or VGHD that couldn't be done by someone else and those of you who say that the cheesy aspects of the porn that Totem pump out in DB is something we have to put up with will, I'm sure, move away from Totem when something better comes along. You won't stay here out of loyalty.

I'm not saying every show should be completely scripted but there are a few simple rules that they could employ such as saying what the girls shouldn't do (stare at the wall, look at the camera instead of their partner when interacting sexually in duos, stand there looking bored, pretend to have sex, etc).

Somebody commented that I should research the cards before buying. I'm sorry but this made me laugh. A single card will have comments from people saying it's the hottest show ever and others saying it's the worst show ever. Since the comments usually reflect the authors' sexual preferences (bare feet, high heels, stockings, knickers, no knickers, big tits, small tits, tattoos, big teeth, big hair, body size, body hair, etc, etc) most are of no value whatsoever. And don't forget there's the other type of comments that are presumably written when the reviewers were ***** since there's no way anyone can understand a word they've written!

I like Totem. They have an interesting approach to their business where they engage with their customers through these forums an awful lot. They ask for input, they have an old world feel about their software. It still doesn't work perfectly and after all this time, still seems like it hasn't got past the beta stage. Their releases seem poorly managed and in a strange way, I like all that. Good luck to Totem but if they don't shape up, unfortunately, they'll be out and the companies that take over in this space are likely to be far less engaging or interesting.

Is it really asking too much of Totem to suggest it would be beneficial to direct the shows actively instead of standing by with fingers crossed, waiting to see how it all pans out?
Ricky78
Desde en Apr 2010

274 posts
May 16, 2010

"You got it wrong. It is not about the arts of stripping or whatsoever - it is about the quality and the professionalism of the production itself - and here there is a clear step backward compared to VG."
I agree with you,@Matsuri.
I saw that quality and professionalism at VG.Too bad I can`t say the same thing about DB.They have a lot of work to do untill they will get the quality of VG.IT WILL BE GREAT IF WE`LL HEAR THE SOUND ALSO IN THE NEXT FUTURE CARDS OF VG:)
I guess you don`t understand one thing guys(is only my opinion).
Do you know what is job of Totem??
They must offer us great quality.What means great quality??
Hmmm.Let me think:
  • cristal and clear sound in ALL clips
  • high resolution(including when you increase the zoom level-I didn`t see that at DB)
  • no crop of the body parts of the girls(I read on forum some crops of the heels on some cards)
  • no crash of the software
  • a software without bugs or problems
  • good speed at downloads
etc

I agree also with @millertime.
ISN`T TOTEM`S FAULT IF SOME PERFORMERS DON`T PERFORM SO WELL.
Some performs are good,others aren`t so good("that`s why we have rating system").Maybe in the day of shooting they are bored or don`t have mood to play(I guess you know the feeling when you are bored),maybe the girls don`t match(Totem can`t know this) or maybe they have something in mind and other reasons in resulting a not so good performance.NOBODY IS PERFECT.What can I say for sure is that I never was dissapointed by Eufrat shows(and not only because she`s my favorite,is because she enjoys everytime when she plays and everytime she has mood to play)She`s gorgeous(beautiful face and great body),she smiles everytime,she looks almost all the time into the cam,very explicit content.I don`t know in duos cards but in solo is the best:)(my opinion):)
Is true also they guide them in some way and in a small part is their fault(Totem) also.
When I bought the first card of Eufrat solo I was very impressed by the quality of the sound.it was a nice surprise the sound.I bought the second card Ariel solo and I don`t want to say how dissapointed I was when I found out sound missing.And from that day I decided to stop buying cards.
The performance of the girls depends on the luck of everyone and demos play a big role to decide which card to buy.Like I said some are good,some are bad.
What I expect from Totem is that great quality that I was talking about above.Untill than I will remain with "my first love":))))),VirtuaGirl.Which cards to buy is MY RISK.You can`t have perfect shows everytime and sometimes u`ll be dissapointed ,but that`s it:)).You`ll get used with this after a while:)


Cartref
MODERADOR
Desde en Sep 2007

520 posts
May 19, 2010 (edited)
Guys just a few thoughts in response:

On the sound aspects, do any of you realise what is involved in the studios? Amongst other things thay have huge fans moving aair to keep the girls cool under the lamps.

Those fans make noise, noise that cannot be filtered out easily.

Sound has been an issue that Totem have been working on for a very long time and the results that they have made with DB are impressive, but at this stage demands to have crystal clear sounds are just not viable.

The resolution is indeed far higher than what it was but no doubt not what you might see in a movie, but then again the movie is not displaying annimations on a computer screen.

No cropping, its what the QA team are helping with.

No bugs in the software, I guess you are execting a small company to be able to devote the same resources as Microsoft into its development & testing routines to catter for the miriad of software/hardware comnbinations out there. If so, expect the product to be a lot more expensive. Someone has to pay for those resources.

I am not aiming at Rick, its just that he nicely summarised many of the technical "demands" so I thought I would structure my response around his to make it easier. These are my own views, based upon my history with the Totem products over many years.

I have no comment on the artistic or directional aspects of the DB shows.

I am sure that Totem will be continually trying to refine the product, but try and keep the technical "demands" with reasonable bounds. you want to be able to afford to buy it :)
jununger
Desde en Oct 2007

1243 posts
May 19, 2010
Sound is actually very much a trial and error process and I'm sure we will have much better sound one year from now using the same tools taken that the team learn from their mistakes.

Take the noises the shoes does when the girls walk on stage... that sounds to me as if the mic is either close to or placed on the floor or at least pointed toward the floor.

Using a "hand held" unidirectional mic on a boom suspended in rubber bands and with some kind of filter would give more freedom and a much better result... but then... you would have to have an added sound guy on the set... A stationary boom is an option but that would limit the range and/or increasing the risk of "contamination" like the sounds the shoes make.

I understand the limits... and hope the Team learn as they go along :)
Ricky78
Desde en Apr 2010

274 posts
May 20, 2010 (edited)
Hi @Cartref and thanks for reply.
When I said "crystal and clear sound",I was thinking at Eufrat solo card(that quality of sound).Maybe isn`t crystal and clear ,but I really liked it and I saw it like crystal and clear.My mistake,sorry.
"On the sound aspects, do any of you realise what is involved in the studios? Amongst other things thay have huge fans moving aair to keep the girls cool under the lamps.
Those fans make noise, noise that cannot be filtered out easily"
I admit I never was in a studio,but what I can say for sure is that I saw on Fashion TV how it works.I saw those lamps and big fans that you are talking about.If I didn`t mind the noise of fans on television,I`m sure I will not mind also at DB.I`m sure you do the best as u can to filter out the noise and you did a great job with Eufrat solo card.
About the resolution I don`t expect to see the resolution like in movies of course.I expect to see the same resolution like on VG.
WHAT BOTHER ME THE MOST AT DB IS THE MISSING OF THE SOUND IN ALL CLIPS(AND THIS IS A BIG STEP BEHIND).
The last version of VG is almost perfect(except the screensaver crash).With the last version of VG I didn`t have any problem.
What have VG and don`t have DB(I mean the common parts not the sound):
  • Resolution at VG is above DB(including the zoom level)(I expect too see at least equal resolution like on VG)
  • no problems with cropping at VG ,but some at DB
  • no more crashing of the software with the last version of VG,I hope not too at DB
  • VG software without bugs ,but DB still have some.
I GUESS ALL THOSE ISSUES CAN BE FIXED WITH THE HELP OF TOTEM,BUT WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THE SOUND MISSING??THIS IS THE MAJOR PROBLEM I THINK.

In conclusion,I wouldn`t mind to hear the noise of the fans(filtered out as u can).
I find the noise of heels on the stage,the voices of the girls when they speak each other(teasing),laughs,the moanings quite excitement.In fact,is higly recommended to hear all those sounds in ALL clips.
IF I CAN ACCEPT VG WITHOUT SOUND BECAUSE IS THE SOFT SOFTWARE,I CAN`T IMAGINE DB WITHOUT SOUND IN ALL CLIPS BECAUSE IS THE HARD SOFTWARE(THE MOANINGS AND ALL THE REST OF SOUNDS).Is like I see a movie in black and white without sound from 1928.
I ask you guys in conclusion what do you preffer?
Sound in all clips with some noises of the fans(filtered as much as they can) OR without sound at all??I`m sure the answer is obvious.
TOTEM MUST UNDERSTAND THAT WITH RELEASE OF DB ,EXPECTATIONS ARE MORE HIGHER THAN VG.I`M SURE THEY DO WHAT THEY CAN ,BUT SOMETIMES TO TRY ISN`T ENOUGH FOR A GOOD SELLING(A GOOD BUISNESS=A GOOD PRODUCT).So far,I wasn`t convinced.If I will hear sound in all clips maybe I will change my mind.
Best Regards
Ricky



4249webe
Desde en Oct 2007

17 posts
May 25, 2010
I agree with some of the comments about poor direction. I don't want to see the girls showing eachother the action - I want them to show me the action. Also what is this fascination with vibrators being used on the outside of clothes? It may be stimulating to the model, but I personally would like to see those panties out of the way. Using a vibrator on a fully clothed model seems like a complete waste from a voyeuristic standpoint and that is what is being purchased.
sira543
Desde en Feb 2008

6 posts
May 31, 2010
I have to agree about the poor direction. I know that the models have to be aware of the cameras but why do they have to spend so much time looking at the cameras? In my mind, the whole point of a duo is that the models interact with themselves, not the camera, that's what the single cards are for. This can be done quite well, the Ariel & Tea duo being an example, but doesn't seem to be the norm judging by some of the other cards I've looked at. Just my take on it.

Sira xxx
EverthangForever
Desde en Oct 2009

2522 posts
May 31, 2010 (edited)
@Marke998, If a year from now, you were to look back at the evolution of DeskBabes, what would you see ? A company that started by dishing out cards that were shot 6 -8 months before that opening. A company dolling out its redundant stock to a captive market. Old stock, with lower image quality and dated behavior by models who essentially were hired to shoot VGHD with a little extra spice, for a little extra cash. Deadlines were met, improvement was always pending. The optimum profit/loss train ran its course and evolved into an optimum psy-sex 3D lifestyle option.

Intelligent porn has changed remarkably in the last few years, and no-one here is really acknowledging that fact. A lot of DB members seem to want same old same old fucking like it was gymnastics classes cum amateur gyno hour of the 70's. For many members, there is still a preoccupation with what guys want girls to do...trouble is too many guys (after their fetish and curiosity obsessions are satiated) often end up wondering why they still can't fathom just what it is they want from sex, beyond blowing their load and switching over to sport or whatever.

Deskbabes is and can be, a lot more than that. To work, it needs to be something women can relate to also. I know a lot here will not agree with that, but those complainers have a huge selection of old style misogynistc fantasy oriented sex play available & abundant elsewhere. In the long run those complainers will leave unsatisfied no matter how much Totem try to cater to their needs.

On the other hand, the long term Totem customer is probably going to be someone capable of enjoying Totem products AFTER they have blown their load. The long term Totem customer can enjoy a product his wife, partner or female friend can relate to. A product where women express & celebrate their enjoyment of each other and their bodies.

The high end of standard porn has changed, and its not about strap-ons, power trips and orgies with simulated *****-a-thons that debase, *****, *****, ***** or bore women. The best porn is co-authored by women. It has moved on to psy-sex, role play, tantra and sensual prolonged pleasure realms connected and focussed heavily on real female orgasm and how to go about it. Think about that as progress.

I'm still here because the forum of old members here had a consensus about priorities. The consensus said that no matter what behavior the girls exhibit, they must enjoy what they are doing. When that stops happening, because someone else decides to over-direct them. Or ***** them against their will to do what they believe is best market, then I'm out of here. Simple as that. Yes I think of VG and DB as new art, but I don't try to define it though. I think if you do that, you have lost the point. Just let Herve StanZ and Richard get on with extracting the most joyful shows out of their performers in the best way they know how.
Black711
Desde en Apr 2009

8 posts
June 1, 2010
I don't think asking for a little more quality control is asking too much. I do believe we're seeing a learning curve for a new product and that the quality will evolve as the Totem film staff learn what works and what doesn't for the product and the customer base. Just look at the early VG cards when that was new as compared to what we have now.

Asking for better quality is a MUST for a real long term customer. Being a long term customer does not mean we will just take anything we're given and say thanks. It means we believe and enjoy the product and are commited enough to speak up when we see problems. If no one speaks up, the team cannot possibly even know there are problems.

Totem is asking a premium price for this product(compared to VGHD cards). So it is not unreasonable to expect the premium priced product to at least have the quality we expect from the VGHD cards. However it is a new product so we also have to allow time for them to hear our complaints/suggestions and implement them into the product.

As far as the girls go. When filming the girls Totem can look at what the girls are doing(or not doing) and say this is working or not working and the girls can either step up or be released in favor of new girls who are not just willing but will enjoy the work. Which VERY much effects the impression and quality of the product.

This is a job for them yes, but like any job they should be held to a standard higher than show up and smile. They are proffesionals and as such they know their own comfort levels. If tey don't like girls, they shouldn't be filming girl on girl products. Totem can help in this respect by doing a little research into the girls it uses. Many are from porn backgrounds and have filmed stuff simular to what is asked for here. Watch those vids and see if they are any good at it.

When you get on set, use their experiance to help guide the sessions, or even better when you find good ones, use them as consultants while filming to improve the performances. Like they do with the pole dancing on VGHD. They hired Suzie Q, if I remember correctly, to train the girls before they performed and as a result most of the new cards had much better pole dancing clips.

Apply the same thing here. And the "trainer" can see before filming starts if there's no chemistry and call the shoot off, saving the team money and the customer from poor quality cards.
Black711
Desde en Apr 2009

8 posts
June 1, 2010
Oh yes and on the post that said the girls might be hesitant because of health *****. ALL current proffesional adult companies do alot of ***** and exam testing before shooting to ensure the health safety of thier performers. If they don't then Totem should be shut down simply on the principle of finding it reasonable to risk peoples lives for a product.

But I doubt very much that this is true of Totem. They have shown in the past that they care about thier product, their customers and the people they work with. This product in itself is proof of that. Rather than compromise the quality with the VGHD product, they created this product for the rest of us who asked for more. Showing they recognize the need for consistancy in the product and that they listen to the customers at the same time.
Ricky78
Desde en Apr 2010

274 posts
June 2, 2010 (edited)
"I know a lot here will not agree with that, but those complainers have a huge selection of old style misogynistc fantasy oriented sex play available & abundant elsewhere. In the long run those complainers will leave unsatisfied no matter how much Totem try to cater to their needs." "On the other hand, the long term Totem customer is probably going to be someone capable of enjoying Totem products AFTER they have blown their load. "
Your opinion about some of us is wrong @EverthangForever.I`m not that pervert like you think we are some of us.I never ***** about the performance of the girls,the interaction between the girls.I never asked that I want some more action of the girls.
I ***** about the quality of this product(the resolution and the sound especially).

"I don't think asking for a little more quality control is asking too much. I do believe we're seeing a learning curve for a new product and that the quality will evolve as the Totem film staff learn what works and what doesn't for the product and the customer base. Just look at the early VG cards when that was new as compared to what we have now.""Totem is asking a premium price for this product(compared to VGHD cards). So it is not unreasonable to expect the premium priced product to at least have the quality we expect from the VGHD cards."

I agree 100% with you,@Black711.Nice remark.I wanted to say it before you,but it seems you said it before me:)Anyway,I will add a few more comments about that.
Totem said plenty times that they are at the beginning of this product and they try to refine the product.I don`t think so.They had plenty time before releasing,to prepare this product.
They aren`t at the beginning.They have a lot of experience with VG.I won`t accept these excuses.I won`t accept also the excuse with sound(the drill of one neighbour or the police sound car on the window like @Rex said).I didn`t ask a sound crystal and clear.I asked the same sound like in EUFRAT SOLO CARD.If they were in the situation of the first cards on VG,I could understand.But they have a lot of years of experience with VG product.
THEY PROUVED THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT.I SPEAK ABOUT VG AND THEY DESERVE CONGRAGUTULATIONS FOR WHAT THEY DID WITH VG.I CAN`T HELP MYSELF TO COMPARE THESE 2 PRODUCTS.THEY PROUVED ALSO THAT IS POSSIBLE WITH SOUND ALSO ON DB. EUFRAT SOLO CARD IS THE BEST EXAMPLE.
SO,WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
DON`T USE THEY THE SAME PEOPLE(TEAM) FOR DB TOO??DON`T USE THEY THE SAME CAMERAS,SAME FANS AND SAME LIGHTS LIKE ON VG??WHY IT IS POSSIBLE ON VG AND IT ISN`T ON DB??
THE NEWEST CARDS OF VG SPEAK THEMSELVES(I MEAN THE RESOLUTION).WHY CAN`T WE SEE THE SAME RESOLUTION LIKE THE NEWEST CARDS OF VG??WHY CAN`T WE HAVE SOUND IN ALL CLIPS LIKE EUFRAT SOLO CARD??(THAT TYPE OF SOUND).WHY AVOID TOTEM PROBLEM WITH THE SOUND?WHY DIDN`T YOU SHOW UP UNTILL NOW WITH AN OFFICIAL HEADLINED ANNOUNCE ABOUT SOUND IN ALL CLIPS??
There are plenty questions who need answers.Maybe we`ll receive the answers or maybe we will not.who knows??
I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE TO BE MORE EXPLICIT.
I COMPARED THE RESOULTION OF 2 CARDS (ONE FROM VG AND ONE FROM DB).
MELISA-SWEET CANDY AND OTHERS FROM VG WITH
ARIEL SOLO CARD FROM DB.DID YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE??IS A BIG DIFFERENCE(THE RESOLUTION I MEAN)LIKE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN EARTH AND SKY.THE CARDS OF VG(THE NEWEST ONES) ARE MORE LIGHTER AND MORE CLEAR THAN ARIEL SOLO CARD.ARIEL SOLO CARD IS A BIG DISSAPOINTMENT(THE RESOLUTION AND SOUND MISSING).
I don`t care too much about the performance of the girls,but I admit is always space for improuvements of the shows.Someone noticed very well the teasing with dildo through the panties(with panties on).I don`t mind the teasing(the rubbing),but I want the girls to do it without panties.Like I said you`ll have some good shows and others will not be so great.
What I care the most is THE QUALITY of this product.IF SOMEONE THINK THAT I ASK TOO MUCH,HE(SHE) CAN TELL ME.
So,in conclusion ,I will tell you what I want to be Deskbabes.

DESKBABES = QUALITY OF VG + SOUND IN ALL CLIPS. Is very simple.

RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM OF "MATH" AND I WILL THINK TO BUY THE CARDS.ALSO,LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I WANNA ALL THE PREVIOUS CARDS TO HAVE SOUND IN ALL CLIPS.

SO FAR,DESKBABES IS A BIG DISSAPOINTED PRODUCT FOR ME.I`M SORRY TO SAY IT,BUT THAT`S IT.BUT WHO KNOWS??MAYBE IN THE NEXT FUTURE,THIS SITUATION WILL CHANGE:)
REGARDS!





Ricky78
Desde en Apr 2010

274 posts
June 2, 2010 (edited)
I see,@CV.Thanks for your prompt reply and for explanations.You are always here for us to give us answers:)
With other words I must wait lonnnggg long time untill I will see the same resolution like on VG.I guess they will not use the new equipment untill they realese all the cards filmed before,right?
Hmmm!In this case I will buy the cards when they will use the new equipment.Is very simple for me.
Thanks again for your prompt reply,@CV.Now I understand(because of you) why isn`t the same resolution on the both products.
The question that I have now is which cards are filmed with the old equipment and which cards are filmed with the new one?When they will use the new equipment??You said I will see a change in quality.I can`t see that,unless I buy the card.And I don`t want to buy only when I`m sure they use the new equipment and when will be sound in all clips.
Have a great night!,@CV.
Oquijan
Desde en May 2009

1536 posts
June 3, 2010 (edited)
@Cartref.

Sorry, friend, but i must disagree with you. I do know what is involved in the studios. I work with studios all the time.

For starters, REX said a long time ago that they have new lights that doesn't generate heat so they can turn off the fans or decrease the intensity. Also, last generation of fans are noiseless and they should always be placed in a way that never crosses the mics path.

If noises are filtering from the outside, the studio is not properly isolated, that's a fact. Many studios i had worked with are in the middle of heavy traffic zones, airplane routs and surrounded by people doing loudly tasks all around, and not a single noise is captured from the outside. If Totem have a lot of problems capturing a clear sound, they need a sound engineer to design the space and place the mics the right way. And if they have expensive toys, but don't know how to use them, they need to hire someone who does. Very small companies are able to deliver crystal sound products, so there's not really any valid excuse for an sloppy job.

They gonna improve? Of course they will, but the learning curve has been charged to the customers wallets. I must say it again, i can't care less about the troubles behind a production, i care about the final result, that being the product that is placed for sale with the implicit guarantee that it will meet a minimum of quality.

That quality to me, in this case, is a clean audio and sound whenever it is obvious that the sound was intended to be. Too many soundless clips where the model is clearly talking or moaning.

To save themselves troubles, they now came with the idea of making only a few clips with sound. Well, this is not VG. The models are dancing there, that's the fun, and the user's music complement it nicely. The audio on DBs is the dancing of VG, imho. Remove it, and you get a weird act with way too many clips with girls fully clothed silently rubbing themselves over the clothes.

In a different aspect, i saw the Celina and Demy show. Demy looks away from the camera all the time, looking to the guy that is giving her directions and even interacting with him. That problem of the model missing the focus of the camera was solved a long time ago on VG, and now it's present again on DBs, with a model that it is also experienced with the Totem's way of work? How can that not be unprofessional and even disrespectful to the people buying the product? That's a direction fault, period. Beyond the performance skills of the girls, the director is always the ultimate responsible for the show.

I'm only commenting about visible things that are there for all to see. To some the product is not hot or hard enough and might be perfectly fine for others. That is the endless debate. But regardless the concept, it should be well produced and post-produced, or not released at all.

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