Melisa was being dubbed as arguably the single hottest performer on here. All her shows were on the rise, two of which were in the top two with quite a large lead. Then out of nowhere, the ratings of ALL her shows start dropping, and have gradually continued to do so over the past week.

If this isn't proof of the need for the ratings system to be overhauled, I don't know what is.

You have any proof of a "ratings attack"? Also being dubbed "the single hottest performer" by whom? A few people on the forums? One shouldn't ***** forum posts with the underlying opinions and buying patterns of the mass of members.

Looks more to me that her ratings are starting to become more reasonable after a period of excessive hype. I would expect her ratings to continue to decline at least until her next card is released.

I completely agree. Although Melisa isn't among my absolute top favourites she is a lovely girl and an excellent performer. "Little Poem" got a 10 rating from me and her other cards got solid 9s. These ratings attacks where a specific girl or card's ratings get reduced significantly within the space of a couple of days seem to happen far too often on vghd. This one has been most obvious though, because Melisa was so highly rated.

Another recent example was Shabba's "Pool Party" card who's rating got reduced from around 8.3 to about 7.5 within the space of 48 hours (thankfully it has crept up a bit since). Few people seemed to notice because it wasn't a particularly high rated card anyway.

There is no way such a steep and sudden fall in ratings can be due to a few individuals who don't like the card, and concerted ratings attacks using multiple profiles seems the most likely explanation.
If the ratings of those who don't own cards really don't get much weight, how does this happen?

The only other explanation I can think of for such a sharp and sudden decline in a card's rating, is that Totem is intervening and adjusting the ratings of specific cards for some unknown reason. I can't think why this would be the case, however, and I seriously doubt that Totem would do this.

If you are rating Melisa mostly with "solid 9s" and she now has three cards rated over 9, where is the "ratings attack"? The more people that rate her with a 9, the more her cards will fall towards 9.

That is the way averages work and it is what is happening now.

There has been a steady downward slide in the ratings of all the top girls since July. There is no reason that Melisa - particularly given the very high ratings she had for new cards - should be an exception to what is a very clear overall trend in the ratings.

well this rating system is not worth caring about it.
I really hope that the new website will have a different one.
For now Morgane is the queen again.

@Ambler
The declines in ratings that I've noticed, including this latest episode with Melisa have been far from steady and gradual.

I've noticed a number of cards who's ratings have ***** steep sudden declines within the space of a couple of days or less. The cards I've noticed this happening to have all been around for at least a few weeks, so their ratings should be pretty robust and should not be reduced much by people rating them a little lower than their overall average. I can't see any way that such steep and sudden declines could be due to normal rating activity.

Strangely I agree with BOTH aspects! This is the trouble with the ratings system as it is with just anyone able to rate cards, it gives rise to suspicions of them being manipulated at any time.
Totem needs to address this immediately and change it to ONLY owners of cards being able to rate them. They can then add a choice of rating trailers for the non buyers(in fact everyone)That can be shown as either a separate screen , top 20, or so, or listed with card ratings under card pic in "browse girls" screen (awkward?).
Rating cards MUST be seen as a benefit of buying them,this will also help create an inducement for newbies to actually buy cards. Until this changes the truth of the ratings will ALWAYS be in question as will Totems credibility!
Ratings leveling off happens! Melisa's cards, hot & fine as they are, lack the straight on, open cookie/ass shots that Morgane, while not having Mel's charm,vivaciousness,fun,provides with her near perfect body.It's a sex site-this matters!

@plasonic
Seperate ratings for full shows (card owners only) and for trailers (everone) sounds like an excellent solution to me. Now if only Totem would take notice!

Her two top cards have dropped .02 today alone. How anyone could see this as anything other than ***** is beyond me.

Maybe the Morgane worshipers are trying to restore their girl to all the top spots. That's the only people I can think who would have any motivation to do such a thing

[This assumes it's not natural statistical results of more ratings on Melissa cards -- though they have not been on special for a while.]

I've been wondering about the ratings as well. I think it's possible, even though the restriction on having downloaded or not.
It's always the non-morgane girls that dive like hell. And although Morgane is a hotty, she doesn't get all tens from me. Sounds like a dive into serverlogs to figure this one out.

Ratings are for the response by those who buy the card as to whether & how they like or dislike the woman/dance/seduction/tease/explicit content/clothes/colors/style...PERIOD!
Maybe it's because we FantaSex here too that some think they can FantaManipulate by reacting against the women themselves by downgrading their cards repeatedly with no other desired effect than to "bring that girl down". To me this is a form of madness, illusion, and not an honorable action by the "downraters".
It conforms to the perception of porndawgs as a not too bright bunch of people I'm afraid! Maybe it's mostly that our responses in this realm (porn)are mostly visceral, gut reactions, passion,emotional. Perhaps the "power element" that suffuses the "take the bitch down a notch" is not unlike that which is the base of ***** in real life... Y'don't wanna go there dudes...Honorable wankers of the world unite & say "Yeah" & leave the foolish babe controls in yer fantasies, if ya need them!

Well that's certainly taking it to a whole new level, isn't it?

If anyone out there is manipulating the ratings . . . PLEASE ***** Ting's rating up to a 10 so Totem will release her last card!!!

:)

I don't think that even the ***** could pull that one off, lol

@plasonic
Yes I'm liking this idea more and more. A proud member of the HWWU - LOL!

@harshie
I've got no doubt that Ting has been a victim of the downraters to an extent, but I think she's more a victim of the tendency among the vghd community to react against any girl who differs a little from their idea of the norm.

harshie, what I will receive for that favor if I do it? ;) ... maybe few dozens of tickets.... but please, deliver them to the new product, because here I dont have anything interesting to buy :). ...

Oh well, it was just a thought! But I would be willing to pay extra for more Ting because she definitely differs form the norm!
:)

Hey,

It's a very good debate here... I'm reading all... and come back with commentaries. ***** of the card rating theory is not crazy. Even if it's sound obvious, it need to be prove. How can we really know exactly? Testing? How?

Nice debate... to follow...

You know? You don't need to buy a card to rate it. Try it, I did it by mistake. Take it. Find a lot a friend to become members of the VGHD and they don't need to buy anything,or at least, and rating every card without to see the show. Morgane is my top favorite. But I agree that it can have a cards ***** somewhere. Here I expose an idea. Yes, I saw Melisa (one of my top favorite)on the 2 tops and dropping suddenly in so few time(if not in the same day)... strange!!!!

manipulated or not, however...
after the release of Shabba - Pool Party the rating did shutdown in a few minutes !!!

That's very strange because i think some members did give a rate meanwhile the show was downloading...
means they also did give a rate without see the fullshow first.

Well.... jeannarrache, you don't have to use your friends to ***** the ratings. Only thing you have to do is to install/uninstall the VGHD software and go to rate every time after each installation - you have a new account on VGHD site to vote as you like ;)

The reason a lot of girls start with a very high rating which then goes down is simple, and goes like this. The first few ratings will have come from people who have BOUGHT her card, either because they like her type, or because they already have card(s) of hers which they like. They will be few, and their ratings will tend to be high because they're a biased group. Later ratings will come from people for whom the card came up with the rations. Some will like, others will be indifferent, others will say, 'Oh no, not HER again!' There will be more of them, and the average will drop, often sharply, then plateau-out.
The idea that people will pay multiple subs under different handles, just for the sake of down-rating girls they don't like is pure paranoia. As for ratings by people who don't own the cards, I'm against it. No representation without contribution!

The ratings are broken as we all know.
Any card dropping consistently is due to low ratings. It is not balancing out when the only way a card is dropping quickly is from low ratings. Notice the morgane top cards do not drop or "balance' over time. They stay consistently the same.

it is not like all of a sudden 100 people bought the morgane card and rated her lower then the 800 that got her on special and the others that bought her.

Rating the card and rating the trailer are not the same.
Give a card 2 ratings- owners and overall (owners and non-owners).

And ***** is easy. I have a notebook pc and my 2 old notebooks plus my desktop at home and at work. I have 1 account but could have 6 at once counting my portable devices. I could install and uninstall on my old pc rating melissa 0 each time so morgane is back to number 1. Ratings dropping significantly daily = *****.

2245xyju, the ratings just dont work in that way here on peeks... with so many free accounts....

Ok, thanks. There no conspiracies here. I never think that way. I just see that Melisa is still on hight top of the rating list.
No matter to continue chatting here. It's kind of losing time.
See you in others topics.
Thanks again!

Well jeannarache..not exactly a conspiracy but an effect. I looked at the members screens awhile back and I went back very far checking many members' home pages and was shocked to see how many active members from quite a while back STILL had no cards bought!!..Many of them had favorite VGHD babes listed, but there are screen after screen with majority non buyers! These are the ones from which come the ratings without buying cards! Many have been members over a year & never bought a card! They should be able to vote on what they see...TRAILERS!
Totem likes them to feel a part of the system & says their rates are counted less, whatever that means!
Hopefully the binding factor between the buyers & trailer raters is that high ratings mean that many think the girl is sexy/pretty and they like whatever wiggle (dance)that they do see.
Trust the ***** Jedi 'gasm seeker!

I like my idea of simply reducing the weight of those votes to nothing. Everybody wins. The non-owners still get a sense of participation with being able to use ratings, and the paying customers get a rating system that actually means something.