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When did VG become X-rated?

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vevince0
Mitglied seit in Jan 2010

14 Beiträge
25. June 2013 (edited)
apparently some of you guys never been in a strip club,toples club or fullnude clubs,I have seen pink,fingering, p**** spreading,ass showing and heavy petting on all of them,BYOB clubs are the most explicit just a little short of a sexual act.

so grow up and let it go.
Ricky78
Mitglied seit in Apr 2010

274 Beiträge
25. June 2013

Interesting thread:)

When did VG become X-Rated?
I don`t know the answer,since I`m a member from 2010.It seems VG become X-Rated since 2007 after I read some posts of the older members.

Anyway, what understand Totem through explicit and X-rated clips is not the same thing with what understand most of the members.
WA explained very well in another thread what understand Totem by explicit and X-Rated clips when he said 95 % of the clip can be full naked clip and just for a peek of spreading legs become after that explicit clip.

I heard some members saying "if you like to see more X-Rated clips,go to DB".It`s not the same thing and I liked what WA said above("Deskbabes is not a substitute for Virtuagirl, it also not a more X-rated version of VirtuaGirl.
Deskbabes is it's own product, it is not a stripping or Dance product.
"Sex on your Desktop" featuring all girls.
With VirtuaGirl, I want a good Performance that includes All the Levels, including Explicit and X-rated content, just like it has always been.
I don't think anyone is asking fo VG to become a hardcore XXX porn product.
We just want it to still contain the explicit and X-rated type of clips it has in the past")

I never planned to have FULL COLLECTION of VG,but this thing happened 3 days ago.
Do you know why?
Beacause I joined this site first from curiosity and after that I remained a customer in these 3 years because I saw Totem always brought improuvements to their product and I`m talking here especially the quality(the resolution), better and better casting and a good balance between standing and taskbar clips,between full clothes clips,topless clips,full naked clips and explicit(X-Rated) clips.
Ricky78
Mitglied seit in Apr 2010

274 Beiträge
25. June 2013

In the moment when this balance is broken,we(me and Totem) have a problem from my point of view.

I don`t like when Totem says like “it`s just for testing( we release just a couple of cards without opened legs) to see reaction of the members”.NOW THEY SAW MY REACTION,ALTHOUGH THE CARDS AREN`T RELEASED YET.I DON`T BELIEVE WHEN THEY SAY “VG WILL REMAIN THE SAME PRODUCT”.It will be changed. I saw what means “testing” for Totem.This test will become a HABBIT,I`m sure and to give just an example I remembered they said there will be ONLY few cards with cages and now they exagerate with cages.I`m not saying to not have at all(just for fans of cages),but when I see in every card cage,this thing drive me crazy.
A GIRL WHO DOESN`T WANT TO OPEN HER LEGS,I CALLED HER A GIRL WITH INHIBITIONS AND I DON`T WANT TO SEE SUCH KIND OF GIRLS ON VG.In my opinion if you want to perform for VG,you must give everything ,including views with opened legs.IF YOU HAVE INHIBITIONS,MUCH BETTER TO STAY HOME))).This is an adult site and I don`t want to see “I don`t show you my pussy with opened legs”.
In the present time,I have FULL COLLECTION OF VG and plenty DB cards bought by credits .
Why I bought these DB cards? Well,it`s not because I want to see necessary hardcore content,it`s just because I like the girls.I know maybe for some it is a strange reason to buy cards just because the girls are good looking,but for me it`s not like this.I remembered I HAD a tough reaction when they cutted these standing teasing clips at DB.I didn`t like it.
I WANT TO SEE AT VG A COMPLETE PRODUCT WITH A GOOD BALANCE OF ALL KIND OF CLIPS(INCLUDING WIDE OPENED LEGS CLIPS).
I`VE BEEN IN ALL THESE YEARS A FAITHFULL CUSTOMER ,BECAUSE I SAW IN VG A COMPLETE PRODUCT(ALL KIND OF CLIPS) WITH AN EXCELENT QUALITY AND A GOOD CASTING.
I saw some members saying “if you don`t like the product ,don`t buy it”. FAIR ENOUGH.
IN THE MOMENT WHEN I SEE VG ISN`T THE THING THAT I`M LOOKING FOR,I JUST END UP MY BUISNESS WITH TOTEM.MORE EASY ISN`T POSSIBLE THAN THAT.

I liked the post of vevince0.Well done,@vevince0:)

Thanks for "listening":)

I LIKE THE CAKES,BUT I DON`T WANT TO EAT A CAKE WITHOUT CHERRY ON THE TOP.
Cartref
MODERATOR
Mitglied seit in Sep 2007

520 Beiträge
25. June 2013
Ricky78,

At the risk of trying to explaining to explain the points raise by the mods, "Keep it civil".

You last post above is starting to cross the line. There is no need to shout or type in capitals whole sentences to make your point of view.

Nor is there any cause for you to demand that the product to comply with your point of view as compared to others.

You may have a problem with Totem, but I am starting to have a problem with your and other people's attitude when it comes to tolerance of other people's opinion.

Personally I prefer a softer product, but I don't go ramming it down someone else's throat because they disagree. WA would prefer a more x-rated product, but he doesn't go ramming it down people's throats either. He used a well reasoned and civil post to make his point. No yelling, no calling names.

If the rest of the community can not take the lesson from this then I will either close the topic (against my better judgement) or start giving a few 2 or 3 day holidays.

Your choice people!
Ricky78
Mitglied seit in Apr 2010

274 Beiträge
25. June 2013

Sorry for the capital letters,@Cartref("for yelling")

In rest,I consider I didn`t mistake with nothing(only that I yelled).My posts are civil.

From your last post,I understand I`m not allowed to say something wrong about Totem or it`s only my impression??

IF you think I attacked someone("I jumped at his throat") ,please tell me his(her) name.I`m curious to find out whom I offended.

They want a softer product,fine.I don`t have nothing against their opinions.
Everybody is free to express their opinions.
I just did mines.

I repeat,my only mistake is that I wrote with capital letters and I appologise for that.

I don`t think I crossed the line with nothing,except capital letters.
I don`t like when someone get warnings just because they say something wrong about Totem.

What I wrote above is my personal opinion and believe me I didn`t intend to intimidate nobody(people with different opinions than mines) when I wrote with capital letters.

To avoid other reactions of other Mods,I stop now posting here in this thread.I expressed my personal opinion and that`s all.

I appologise again for the capital letters:)


gonzo420
Mitglied seit in Feb 2012

100 Beiträge
25. June 2013
@Cartref: I agree wholeheartedly...well stated. Especially the following part of your post: "Personally I prefer a softer product, but I don't go ramming it down someone else's throat because they disagree. WA would prefer a more x-rated product, but he doesn't go ramming it down people's throats either. He used a well reasoned and civil post to make his point. No yelling, no calling names."

If members wish to be taken seriously, then they need to show respect to their fellow members, and to the moderators. Mutual respect, I believe, is the key to keeping all discussions civil.

After reading through all of the posts again, it strikes me as though the original question, "when did VG become x-rated?" has been thoroughly explained and answered. There are other threads which address what levels different members like the most. For example, the thread "Which erotic level do you like the most?"
Rex
TEAM
Mitglied seit in Sep 2007

364 Beiträge
27. June 2013
The X-rated level has been created (obviously) for DeskBabes.
We are not asking VirtuaGirl strippers to do any X-rated clips, but sometimes it happens has we go close to that limit. When it happen, we can either fade out, but it has been perceived very negativly, as censoship, by members in the past. We rather chose to X-rate the clips that are going a bit too far, so each member has the possibility to filter it.
W1ldcard
Mitglied seit in Dec 2007

13 Beiträge
28. July 2013
Thanks for the obvious & logical explanation from Rex. To tag this thread to another question posed by Rex - should beauty ever be traded for explicitness ?. Never - in my view. And I would apply this rule to all models - DB and VG . Personally I find plain girls or overweight housewives doing rude things a complete turn-off , on screen as in real life. If a pretty girl wants to do a DB show then I will buy it.
Lastly glamour models these days can't easily make a living restricting themselves to topless / Playboy type productions . Times have moved on from the old peek-a-boo days. So guys don't get upset if your princess goes a bit farher than you are happy with.
Sn00pY336
Mitglied seit in Jan 2010

13 Beiträge
7. August 2013
apart from that this topic has been talked to death.

i believe the choice came down to to general factors.
as Rex Stated.

1. the model's choose to go that far, although told they don't have to
2. the users(members) decided that totem should give us the cards how
the model's wanted them released, and not censored out.

totem have done there best to try and keep it from going proper hardcore (i find nothing i found on VG hardcore at all) if i want hardcore clips i go to deskbabe, while some are slightly explicit then others, it is FAR from the realm of hardcore.

and totem has tagged the clips appropriately in case the user does not wish to see
a slightly more explicit strip tease.

and, the last part from the previous post of W1ldcard.

the models decide to go further, to entice the viewer to buy the more explicit cards on Deskbabe, thus giving more revenue to the model.

and that's just smart advertising in my opinion.

but, if you like a REAL description & note of hard core, talk to me,
and i'll open your eye's to the REAL Hardcore porn. not this strip-tease / soft porn :)


P.s. thanks for a Great service totem, keep it up
firemonkey
Mitglied seit in Nov 2012

21 Beiträge
8. August 2013
I have no problem with the current rating system. For myself, I prefer solo girl shows that go to x-rated level, so I have a lot of DB cards. Having said that, I find a lot of the VG shows are sexier because they don't involve any x-rated content. I think that if a VG model wants to do x-rated stuff then this should be permitted. One thing I would like to see is a maximum rating on the card description for VG cards (the assumption is that all DB cards go to x-rated), so that I know before buying how explicit the show is going to be. It's fine to have the rating on the clips themselves but you can't see this unless you have the selector (Platinum users), the stand-alone clip player, or you go to the folder and look, and then you have to decode the numbers.
Hemingford
Mitglied seit in Oct 2013

178 Beiträge
8. June 2014

When I buy a show here on VG I don't expect x-rated stuff. In fact most of the time I don't want it and the reason for that is simple: Those clips are boring and lame, it's always the same pseudo masturbating fingering stuff. Don't get me wrong this can be nice too and I know I've got the ability to choose which clips I want to see and which not. Fine. But if I buy a show with 18 clips and 9 of them are explicit and x-rated I feel sad, it's like: "Oh what a hot girl but instead of dancing and making a good show for me cause that's what I'm expecting, she's simply standing or lying there and playing with her pussy half of the time." Again: I'm totally fine with explicit and x-rated clips, I just wish they wouldn't take half of the show, which seems to happen lately.
plasonic
Mitglied seit in Dec 2007

1325 Beiträge
8. June 2014 (edited)
Exactly opposite for me! With the addition of more X-Rated content I feel that VG shows are now more balanced in content &,for me, MUCH MORE tempting to buy!!!(I just bought a bunch of them!!)
I feel that this is an aspect of "Evolution" of the site & would ***** to see VG go backwards to not including more X in the mix, or having it be just token quickies where I always felt "thrown a bone to".
I've always felt that having clip control at the platinum level is one of many inducements to get there for newbies, then if you don't want X you can cut out certain clips from a cards total fare.(like I cut out non nude ones when I'm...er...gettin' down to FantaSex boogie) Unlike that aspect, those who, like me, want a more balanced card content cannot add in X content...if it it ain't in there already it ain't happening!
My idea for perfect cards are, for explanation aspects, like the mix of Natali Blond, Marie, etc.Lots of dancing & tease action AND lots of deep X fingering, etc.IN THE SAME CARD! Not all cards necessarily,but surely around 40% would be fine (as the girls wish to do). I do not like token "quickie" finger dips but longer, indulgent, clips.
I've always like the Totem Classy Style of X action as long as it is INDULGENT enough (both time & intensity levels).Zara's cards are perfect in this also!!
.....and PLEASE ...Have most of th X clips close up & on the bar! I like to be able to see the action plus the poses are more conducive to the play! Recently a card (Ava?)had most (all?) of X clips in the middle distance...a bit FRUSTRATING!
Anyway I love the newer X action cards & purchased many on that basis alone, quite enjoying the Play along the way!
:)
I'll also say that due to many factors, viruses & cost among them, I do not go on the Web for other X content (got jammed by SpamVirus junk & had to spend $$$$ getting my computer cleaned...never again)so I really depend on my VG/DB connection to get me off!
Again, I like dancing & X fingering in the same card....If for instance...DB had 50% dance & 50% finger/dildo play in additional SOLO cards (apart from a pure X solo card for each model)that would be fine also. As it is it's "not enough dancing/tease on DB ...not enough X on VG" generally for my taste (I still LOVE both!)
So for me....Balance the VG cards with enough indulgent X action & you have my $$$.
I will say this....Having this more COMPLETE balance seems better as busness to draw in more new members...younger folk who dig the "not like other porn sites" classy quality of VG/DB but do like having a bit o' more intense Wank inducement in the Mix! Move with the times. Evolve!
Thanks Totem for rekindling my interest in VG!


.....now anyone know of some cheap Viagra in Bulk rates?....
(I'd ***** to have to tell my Doctor..."Why do I want it?...Well because VG is verging on being Great again after being "Pretty Good!~"
:)

No.... It's Natch or not at all for me!

Let the girls Dance AND Finger play!

:)
Oquijan
Mitglied seit in May 2009

1536 Beiträge
8. June 2014
Seems to me there's not actual issue with this. VG X-rated clips are nothing like DBs clips. VG is still about girls moving around to music and many VG X-rated clips are so just for a very short action that at times is just 2 or 3 seconds of the whole clip, like a finger that goes inside for a second or a little bit more rubbing than usual.

VG is still very soft no matter how many clips are labeled as X-Rated and the fact that one is rated like that doesn't mean it is just about that. Many X-rated clips start with the model fully dressed up and with a complete striptease before the model gets hotter.

The model gets hotter? More bang for your money. I don't see that as a negative, since nothing was lost and something was gained.

EverthangForever
Mitglied seit in Oct 2009

2514 Beiträge
8. June 2014 (edited)
Sure @Hemingford and others, I take the comment to mean you want balance. In other words, more dancing less focus on genitalia. Its a good point that if by applying the explicit filter, on some newer cards results in very few active clips remaining in the card. I don't think that is happening though. So where is the middle ground ? I'm hoping iDancer will allow a broadening out of activity, if it would provide another checkbox on player collections. Lets see & hang in there.

On the whole censorship debate, people have to realise standards of acceptance of female pleasure have changed lately, infact reversed. Even "hard core porn" is leaning away from mechanical sex to an audience wanting real expressions of pleasure from their models. The Big "O" is what spins the $$$ in Adult dotcoms now.

In my humble opinion, by hiding female genitalia and making it nasty or "hard core" we are reverting to a social control device invented by males over the mileniums, to supress women. In some cultures the clitoris was/is removed, as a form of control. In recent years top webchat sites have fought hard to remove the stigma of distain attached to female genitalia which has been entrenched by those in power in western & eastern culture from before the the time of the Puritans.

How wonderful to live in an age now where men are happy to learn and understand what a Gspot does and is. How a clitoris and vulva relate to mens parts:
http://psycentral.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/the-clitoris-the-penis-political-correctness-and-biological-factness/

Lets celebrate less ignorance and more enlightenment, and lets enjoy not being manipulated by misogynists. However balance in every activity in all things is desirable, of course I agree.
rolias
Mitglied seit in Feb 2008

11 Beiträge
9. June 2014
I have no problem with a certain amount of explicit display, as distinguished from dancing. I am not calling for its elimination.

But, regrettably, many of the recent shows predominantly feature the explicit activity to the exclusion of dancing. All too often, once the girl arrives at full nudity, she promptly sits on the floor to diddle herself, never to rise again before the end of the clip.* And that is too bad. It's hard to enjoy how cute a girl's tush is when she is sitting on it.

In a card with perhaps 30 or 40 minutes total of performance, we may witness a half dozen or more fake Big "O"s, each proceeding from a minute or less of self-stimulation. Really? Or in my ignorance and unenlightened state am I mistaken - they are all true Big "O"s?

Elsewhere in the Community we have seen a resounding rejection of breast enhancements - not to mention excessive tattoos or gaudy hair color. We don't like fake. The preference of the Community is natural beauty, the beauty of motion in the dance: in a word, honesty. At least that is what I would like to see.

Lots of places on the Net to see hardcore, if that is what you want.
  • We also see the same conduct in the photo sets: very disappointing.
Oquijan
Mitglied seit in May 2009

1536 Beiträge
9. June 2014 (edited)
This site is not hardcore, never was. There's a site called DeskBabes also by Totem. That is hardcore. There's no sensible increase of "hardcore" at VG. Cards were as "hard" with models like Marie, Natali Blond, Sharka Blue, Liliane Tiger, just to mention a few of the "old" times.

Models are better at different stuff. Some like or can dance, and those dance more. Some are just nude models and they deliver "neutral" shows. Some came from porno and they are best delivering sexual performances. Some are a lot more complete than others and those are at the top of the ratings. Directors are wise to play by the girls strengths rather that their weaknesses.

VG is not about dancing, anyway, is about striptease. All the girls do striptease, the product delivers what is offered. Beyond that, there are levels of explicitness and type of performances in a wide range, not only from model to model, but even from show to show and from clip to clip.

There is no "right" way to do VG shows. For every model that is not explicit there is other that is. For every model that is skilled dancing, there is another that can't move without looking awkward. For every model that is shy and rather ***** getting naked to make a buck there is another that is daring and enjoys her profession. The shows gonna reflect that and they do.

This discussion is not about if people likes X-rated stuff rather than anything else or viceversa, this was a coversation about some users' expectatives about watching X-rated clips in every card and for every model. That, as explained, due to the diversity of styles and models backgrounds, is almost impossible to achieve.

That is like expecting every model to play complicated tricks around the pole. Won't gonna happen.

Nevertheless, suggestions about some aspects, that are more personal taste, like natural bodies, views to the butt, bigger boobs and stuff is something that Totem ponders and try to deliver as possible, but that doesn't mean, IMO, they will revert to times when just plain nudity was very exciting. Totem is not an island, the whole web is going harder and this is about making an income.

I wouldn't try to pass my personal tastes as the voice of the people, by the way. The Community doesn't share one opinion. There are plenty different backgrounds, ages, needs and tastes among the crew. One man's poison is another man's elixir.

Is kinda funny when people ask to remove cages, swings, explicit content, tattos, implants, etc, and then if you would ask them what they would like instead, they basically say: what I LIKE is what we all should get and see.

Cartref
MODERATOR
Mitglied seit in Sep 2007

520 Beiträge
9. June 2014
Well said, a bit of tolerance for each other preferences is not a bad thing at all
Bad4Good
Mitglied seit in Jan 2012

74 Beiträge
9. June 2014
I have purchased DB shows where I have wanted to see a model or models engage in some explicit play but I have more than twice the number of VG shows because I enjoy the art of a good striptease. If the girl does get a little more explicit once naked that can be a nice bonus but it's not why I buy the cards.

I've even noticed that there is a tendency for me to 'go off' a DB card once seen because, as others have noted, there are plenty of performances like that to be found out there. A good striptease from a VG girl however has longer lasting interest for me, especially when I pair it with a different music selection.

So, to each his own. I don't like fake tits and tattoos on a girl but I accept that Totem will employ girls to appeal to those who do like that look. I've even bought a few cards that fall into that group because there were enough other reasons for me to want it.

So, back fully on topic, I'm not saying that VG girls shouldn't get explicit if they want to. But for me at least I'm pleased that VG remains a place where girls practice the noble art of striptease. As long as Totem keeps finding attractive girls to delight us I'm happy.
Hemingford
Mitglied seit in Oct 2013

178 Beiträge
9. June 2014

@rolias I fully agree.

@Oquijan
The last thing I want is to "ban" things like the cage or the swing, but it's a fact that I could live without it. Just like you said that's all a matter of taste. Things like Respect and appreciation for ones individual sexual preferences are very important in a forum like this. And just in case it's not already clear: I LOVE PUSSY!!! ;-) And I love it when a girl is showing it to me during the show. I'm totally fine with explicit and x-rated clips I don't want to ban them or something like that, no way! I am well aware too that sex sells and it's kind of logical evolution that VG is going this way. And I don't care if the big "O"s in the shows are real simply because Im pretty sure most of em are not. That's kinda obvious if you think about it but anyway...like rolias said in his posting above:

"But, regrettably, many of the recent shows predominantly feature the explicit activity to the exclusion of dancing. All too often, once the girl arrives at full nudity, she promptly sits on the floor to diddle herself, never to rise again before the end of the clip.* And that is too bad. It's hard to enjoy how cute a girl's tush is when she is sitting on it."
Well, I think that kinda nails it for me. :-)
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Mitglied seit in Mar 2008

4034 Beiträge
9. June 2014
By the Numbers:
My Collection Which Includes some QA cards Not yet released.

Just the VG cards:
(37050) .vghd clip files ( not counting .demo clips )
The Levels:
(3) marked as Level 0 (0.08%)
(13581) marked as Level 1 - No Nudity (36.7%)
(11161) marked as Level 2 - Topless (30.1%)
(3402) marked as Level 3 - Nudity (9.2%)
(8202) marked as level 4 - Full Nudity (22.1%)
(701) marked as Level 5 - X Rated (1.9%)

So All this to do, over less than 2% of the total Clips.. 701 clips...
Ricky78
Mitglied seit in Apr 2010

274 Beiträge
10. June 2014 (edited)
I see somebody wanted to come alive this thread again:)

It was a long debate at that time indeed,I remember.I said my opinion one year ago and I repeat again now in a few words.

To please MOST(it`s not possible to please ALL) of the members(they who like more X-rated against those ones who like soft clips),Totem should have a balance between all levels of the clips,except X-rated clips and in my opinion Totem does a great thing in this moment with this.

I look at the procents given by @WA and I`m pleased with what I see now.

No Nudity 36.7% against 22.1% Full Nudity

I like that Topless procent 30 % and I like that procent of X-rated(only 1.9)

You can say I`m a little bit selfish regarding X-rated clips.The truth is I like the exactly procents given by WA with the future cards released.
I agree with the fact most of the procents between the levels should be given to Level 1,Level 2 and Level 4.

I don`t mind to have more X-Rated clips,since X-Rated clips of VG are different than X-Rated clips of DB(it`s a huge difference),but IF you ask me what I preffer,I would say I like the procents given by WA between the levels.

After all,VG is a soft product and what is more important at this product is that the girls to have a good dance(performance)(even with the clothes on),to know to smile to the camera(but not fake smile) and to keep a permanent eye contact with the camera.

Of course,I don`t like also the other side to have a TOO soft product without opened legs and I remember it was a "heated" conversation between me and Totem regarding "opened legs".I hope I will never see again cards without opened legs.
If a girl doesn`t want to do opened legs,just don`t hire her.Find only girls who do opened legs.This is an adult product and "hiding their own goods",it`s just not right.
Like I said long time ago,I want from VG a Met-Art style(opened legs) ,than Playboy style(non opened legs)

Procents given by WA is exactly what I expect from Totem and I see they do this.I hope they will continue in the same way.

What I want to see also is a good balance between stand up clips with the dance of the girls and close shot,over taskbar clips(to please most of the members).

If you ask me what I preffer,I would say I preffer an equal procent between stand-up clips and close shot clips OR little more stand up clips than close shot,not other way(more close shot clips than stand-up clips).The advantage of the close shot clips is you can see them closer(that`s why they are called close shot):P

@WA,could you please give us in procents the difference between stand-up clips and close shot clips??
I ask because in the present time I guess the close shot clips are more than stand-up clips.

Thanks for the procents given ,@WA and IF you could post also the procents between stand-up clips and close shot(over taskbar) clips,I would appreciate.

Thanks again!

Oquijan
Mitglied seit in May 2009

1536 Beiträge
10. June 2014 (edited)
Ricky78

Me thinks, you're jumping to conclusions about those numbers. That is just an statistic. It doesn't mean anybody at Totem is doing shows based upon that nor that is any kind of rule. And certaintly is not and will never be anything relevant for the directors, models or photographers. This is VG, not the NFL.

X-rated clips might be anything from standing to close-ups, pole dancing, swings, cages, etc. What gives a L5 to a clip is just a small action for VG, not the hardcore action of DBs.

So, would you like to not get a clip that had an excellent pole dancing, the ones you like, cause at the end of the clip the model inserted her finger in her pussy for 2 seconds? If that clip is against the numbers of the statistics, then should not be released. See the nonsense on that?

And then again, if you like the standing clips more than the close-ups is still your very own opinion and your very own tastes. I for one like a lot more the close-ups and I ***** the pole clips. But good thing for both of us is that the shows usually have both things so we both will get what we like.

WA's numbers are just to prove that the whole X-rated thing is just a little bit of drama. And as a reminder: L5, X-rated was incorporated to VG to better label some clips that in the past were labeled as L4. The same finger insertion models did in the past, rated as L4 because of the rules at that time, would be L5 now if those were released today. Nothing changed, nothing was increased, is only the place were the clips go now as a guide to the viewer. Nothing else.

Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Mitglied seit in Mar 2008

4034 Beiträge
10. June 2014
I posted the Numbers to try and Show how non-Sensible this Whole discussion is about less than 2% of the total product on VG..

There is No Target ( Number or Percentage ) that is used when creating the clips..
There is a Camera, and a model..
The Model performs, and the Camera records it..

At the end of the Shoot.. There are X-Rated scenes or there are Not..
It's all up to the Model, how far she decides to go with her performance.

The Camera just captures it..

So No Numbers, No Targets..

As you can see from this little example..
Statistical Data can really be manipulated.
One might look at the Numbers and think, Totem has organized the scenes to favor one level over another..
When I'm sure it is all a matter of random probability..

Stop looking at the Numbers and Start watching the girls.. HA!




MrBeeKeeper
Mitglied seit in Jul 2012

293 Beiträge
10. June 2014
Well, I'm one of those guys, who's interested more in "softer" performance and dance, but mostly it's up to mood: sometimes x-rated is way too much for me and sometimes it's quite OK to watch these clips, and therefore an option to disable or turn on specific type of clips on the software is a great opportunity to use.

If you don't like x-rated stuff in the shows, turn them off, shows will rotate a bit faster as well on the desktop, but you still have on option to choose, right.
If there was not this opportunity - that might be a problem.

Though I'm not particularly interested in x-rated, that's not, however, a problem to me, as Nudity Levels can be managed via software settings.
Ricky78
Mitglied seit in Apr 2010

274 Beiträge
10. June 2014

Thanks that you clarified the things with numbers,WA:)
It`s good to know that you said the things very clear.

I repeat,I don`t mind to see more X-Rated clips,but....(see my post above)
Sometimes,our opinions aren`t based on what we like and what we don`t like??!!
Plenty members I guess they express their opinions based on what they like and what they don`t,what they would like to see and what they don`t like to see.Am I right or Am I wrong?
It`s all about the taste after all:)

I`m pleased about Totem products with small issues.That`s why I`m still here after 4 years of membership.4 Years is something,don`t you think?

Believe me,IF there is something that I don`t like(major issues like non opened legs in the past),I won`t stay:)
It`s so simple.

I will follow your advice WA(I will stop looking at numbers and I will start watching girls,LOL).

Hemingford
Mitglied seit in Oct 2013

178 Beiträge
11. June 2014


Guys I tell you what. I've just watched Lola Tyler "All nighter" and that card is a good example for the things going wrong here lately. Why? Just for the fun of it: Take the whole set of 17 clips total which is about the perfect length for a show if you ask me. And now deactivate everything explicit and x-rated. Guess how many clips are being left? Well, I'm going to tell you: 3! 3 out of 17. Either you like rubbing clips or not everyone around here's got to admit that's simply too much. Okay, in fact there is a way to choose if you want to watch a certain content or not, I give you that. But there's absolutely no possibility for me to check the content of each show before buying it. I buy a show and find there's too much rubbing stuff in it and deactivate it I suddenly end up with a show of 3 clips.
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Mitglied seit in Mar 2008

4034 Beiträge
11. June 2014 (edited)
with over 1500 cards to choose from, I'm sure Not every card is going to Appeal to every taste.

if you don't like the level 4 or level 5 clips, then just pass on the card.

I'm sure there are Many members who will buy the card because it Does have more level 4 and 5 clips in it.

it comes down to your freedom of choice to Not buy or view those cards / clips.
but if the content is removed, then the others who desire it, no longer have that choice.

And just because a clip has a 4 or 5 rating, doesn't mean the Entire clip is Nothing but..
It might very well be a full on Strip tease that ends up in a second or two of a hotter level.

Hypothetically:
I could take the other side of the fence..
Out of 1500 cards,
only about 30 have enough Level 4 and level 5...
What If I don't like the level 1, 2, and 3 clips..
That only leaves 30 cards for me to buy..
every card has too many low level clips, and not enough for me to enjoy.
some cards only have 1 level 5 clip, 1 out of 25! Just 1..
and most don't have any at all.. Zero 0!
//////////////////////

So should Totem stop including low level clips to Satisfy this type of member?

Personally I like it all..
and I would like more cards to have at least one clip where I get the Cherry on top of my Ice cream sundae..
An ice cream sundae with just Whipped Cream is somewhat Disappointing..
I like to have that Cherry on top as my last bite..

So I'd like More cards to have at least two level 5 clip.

Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Mitglied seit in Mar 2008

4034 Beiträge
11. June 2014
I think I mentioned this once before..
This works for all of your Purchased .vghd clips
It doesn't work for .demo clips.

You can Alter the File name and Change the Level of any clip you own.

example:
card a0037
I have renamed the following clips
a0037_0102.vghd --> a0037_0502.vghd
a0037_0103.vghd --> a0037_0503.vghd
a0037_1116.vghd --> a0037_1516.vghd
a0037_1117.vghd --> a0037_1517.vghd
a0037_1118.vghd --> a0037_1518.vghd
a0037_1119.vghd --> a0037_1519.vghd

then I did a Rebuild All.
Now all of the renamed clips act like they are level 5 X-Rated clips.

So you can Alter a Clips level in your Own Collection.
Just Know, that if you Re-Download or check for Updates, on that card.
Your Changes will be lost.
dy693927he
Mitglied seit in Oct 2007

27 Beiträge
11. June 2014
@Wyldeanimal
Thank you for being the voice of rationality and as usual the man with the facts. This subject has been flogged to death with irrationality, blind conjecture, personal preference (as if theirs is the only one that matters), and ridiculous improvement suggestions. This is a great product with well thought out switches that allow the user to customize their viewing. With something like 3000 cards there is something for everyone and the ability to almost never see what you don't like. Thanks for all you do WA, and thanks for being a guide through the dark for those who can't see the forest for the trees.
Hemingford
Mitglied seit in Oct 2013

178 Beiträge
12. June 2014

I think I made it pretty clear that I am well aware of the fact that not only my personal preferences does matter. But this is a forum after all and I thought everyone of us can feel free to discuss things. However I think this doesn't make sense anymore so let's close this thread and give it a rest.

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