Ricky Tabatha has been scheduled for awhile now d0186

Thanks Sim,I didn`t know.I will check now:)

P.S.
Tabatha has 32 yo,but if you look her card she looks more more younger(like a "teen"):D

Wow! Christine Young is pretty hot! and that red hair, yummy.

That first pic of christine on this thread, use your thumb and cover her face then look at what is left over. I saw a mature woman. So is everyone's objection a WOMAN'S face? (Honest question. Please no attacks, just honest answers to that question only.)

Why hasn't anyone mentioned anything about Anna Tatu. It seems that only the cards where she looks 16 are her most popular ones.


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This is not directed at anyone so It doesn't need a reply:

There are going to be models and cards we like and dislike. please every take a page from Spacephantom's book. Have your opinions but be sure not to offend with them. And as Spacephantom does so well remember to give and honest review at the end of your opinion so that the rest us can decide what we like for ourselves.

Melisa forever!!!!!!!!!!! Lol

Boan,

Seeing as how you seem fixed on my post, let me give you a refresher:

• CV, Theo, Patrick & I (plus a number of other members) were all partt of a forum called SVG Forum. That forum had been establish back in the early days of VirtuaGirl (not be me or CV) and based upon hit rates was indeed the most prominant of the VG fan sites.
• At its peak it had a few thousand members.
• When the Christine Young card was released there was an absolute rejection of it by the members of that forum.
• Members were passionate in their rejection of it with only a few agreeing.

Now I do not know where you were looking, but it wasn't the SVG forum. There the majority of members condemned it. That is a simple fact.

To me personally, when a young girl, by that I mean someone close to the legal age (in most countries) of 18, tries to make herself look younger than that i.e 16, then that to me is crossing the line and that was the overwhelming view in the SVG Forum. Tabatha on the otherhand as well as other much older models, never looked like a ***** even when they tried. The difference in case I am not clear is that to the people who complaigned, she (unlike others) looked younger than 18.

That is MY opinion on the issue and if I was asked by Totem, I would say no to its release, but like CV, they do not ask us, so my opinion obvious has no bearing. But it is still MY opinion.

Now I have explained the position, stop your harassing of people on the issue. You have made you request, now zip it.

I agree man, what is she fuckin ten years old? (my opinion) Plus, I can tell it pissed you off. I like STRIPPERS not DIAPERS. I'm not going to vote on it either as it's a no-brainer NO.

Just went through all the marathon posts in this matter...
So just wanted to voice my opinion... Cartref and CV, I consider my friends but still want to offer my opinion from a neutral perspective...
First things first... Is Christine Young's age less than 18??.. No...
Most of us vehemently voiced our opinion in the Divine Thread that no one put a gun to her head to do shows here, So following that same yardstick, no one ***** Christine to do shows in VG or forcibly told her to look childish...
Now to the matter where in those SVG Forums like Cartref points out, when this card came out, there was almost a unanimous dissent for this card amongst the handful of members... Lest we forget, the dissent was an OPINION of a majority that she looks younger or is trying to portray herself younger than she is, almost school girlish if you will... That was not acceptable to Many, like CV's better half(I am gonna get an earful for that :-), CV,Cartref Theo, Patrick etc..
Its only fair that Totem respects what is a MAJORITY in the community, whether it be those SVG forums or here...
Now to that arguement that even though Christine is of legal age , because she looks too young or is trying to look too young, her card should not be released.. Well, as far as opinions are concerned, those are personal and IMO should not have a bearing on the cards released by Totem... If you dont like something, dont buy it... If you like it then buy it... Thats what a democratic setup enables us to do right??...

Now in my opinion I think she looks too young and is defnitely trying to cash in on the childish, school girlish image and I personally would agree with CV and Cartref about this crossing the line BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN I will try to garner support or shout from the roof tops to stop Totem from releasing/withdrawing that card... That is an individual's opinion and his or her's right to decide whether she looks too young and if he or she thinks so, then dont buy that card... Simple... A model might look something in your eyes and completely different in another members eyes.. point in case Boan who has some valid points regarding the school girl theme in the porn industry. As long as Totem are releasing cards of models of legal age, That the Bottom Line... You are entitled to your opinion and can excercise your right to buy that card or no...
If opinions were to be basis of cards being released or withdrawn then that yard stick should be with all cards, if not then Totem has all the right to release the card and members can have opinions and in the end, if you dont like it, then dont buy it.. Expressing opinions in the forum is every members right and CV,Cartref, Boan and all other members have expressed their opinion and thats perfectly ok...
I am in no doubt that all these opinions will NOT eventually matter to the decision making of Totem's decisions to cards being released so the thinking is a little off base that CV's Husband or any of those members who strongly rejected the card had anything to do with the final outcome...

P.S - My sympathies with CV's hubby..Poor fella isnt even part of this site so ***** him into all this is a little unfair where he is not there to express or defend his arguement personally....

Just wanted to pose a question in addition to the above post to our Mods..
1) Who is responsible for the clothes a model wears during photo shoots?
2) Who is responsible for the make up and appearance of the models during filming and shoots?
3) Who is responsible for the overall theme of the card and the way the model is portrayed on her card pic?

An educated guess would be that a Team of make up artists, designers would be handling that on Totem's behalf... Still a guess from my side till CV,Cartref or WA can confirm this...
So assuming all the above, Why fault the model for appearing or trying to appear younger or ***** like in pictures or otherwise??

Another point... If God has given her a face which is ***** like then how would she help it??... I am sure everyone has at some point of time in life met people who do appear younger or older than their age...

Why I relate to all this is because I'll give u my example... I am 32 and gonna be 33 in october... I DONT have a ***** like face :-) but one comment I am upto the neck about me is that 99% people I meet in life dont believe that I am 32.. First time meetings are usually like "So which college are you in or Whats your major" and on those lines... The worst part is that on Dates, girls think I am lying about my age and pretending to be older... I am in the Hospitality business and I end up meeting hundreds of people every day and I get sick of hearing comments like "You dont look your age"... After a while it gets to you... I have actually started to shave my head or keep it to the minimum clipper level just to avoid hearing those comments because in important board meetings and other professional engagements unfortunately, a college going face just doesnt cut it seriously... Most people think that a college boy is on an Internship or something... Thank God That I own and run most of my businesses and am not the employee... But even then comments such as "Oh, The Boss's son is just learning the ropes" is highly frustrating and insulting where I have been in the business ever since college..
Why I mentioned all this is that I can relate to this a little bit... If Christine is reading this, she must be really tired of all the comments about her ***** like appearance... Trust me, It gets to you after a while... And I am sure, this forum is not the only place where she must be hearing this...

Because of the title of this thread ("My Classic Question To Totem"),I would like "to hear" one opinion of someone from The Team(Maybe Rex or someone else).
I would like also to comment if it`s possible the results of this poll untill now.
I want "to hear" his(her) personal opinion about the look of Christine(why they wanted to make her to look more younger than her face shows)(Christine has a ***** face and in these cases it is recommended to try to make her too look more older and not to wear some ***** clothes like in the picture posted by CV) ,but I want that he(she) to comment also from the point of buisness(if it`s worth it or not to release this card).
I want to find out the future plans of Totem regarding of releasing the card of Christine Young(if they will release this card and if yes, when).
From the title of this thread and from the question("I want this card,...Do You?") I understand this question is adressed to Totem:D ,BUT if you think logical the question is adressed to members and Mods because we express our votes in the poll:)

I don`t mind girls over 30yo who try to look more younger(in fact,it is recommended to do this),I do mind 18 yo girls who try to look more younger than they are(it isn`t necessary in their cases and it is recommended to try look more older if they can).
Someone metioned above about Anna Tatu.
She didn`t try to look more younger than she is.In fact,she tried to look more older in "Unzipper" card and she succeeded(the hairstyle,the make-up,the dress had a big role in her look)
Her look in my opinion shows her real age(20 yo).So,it`s OK from my point of view:)

Like I said above,my opinion is that Totem proceed very well regarding of released card(VG and VG Classic)(the age of the girls and especially the look of the girls)
I didn`t see too much cards with girls like Christine Young(***** face)
In the moment when she has a ***** face and you make her too look more younger(example of CV`s picture),this is a mistake in my opinion.

I don`t have nothing against to release this card,it`s just I won`t buy it for sure:)

@boan000,the poll doesn`t sound too promising for you and it`s not because CV and Cartref had some influences on the votes,it is because plenty members are agree with their opinions(including me)(no need to reply at this post,boan000-thanks for understanding)

Seriously ??? I don't see the point in wanting some sort of explanation from Totem about why they hired Christine. They don't really have to explain why they're trying to make a profit. Do they ??

I would guess that the outfit in question was hers and she chose to wear it and play the part. Maybe it ended up not being a good idea but I would bet that it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Even with the poll results, there are over 17 million members. Lets say 20% buy her card if it's released. That's a profit for Totem. They're in the business of making a profit. If the material from her shows is usable, they'll probably produce a Classic card. The way I see it is that they should release every Classic card they can save. I don't agree with trying to tell them that they shouldn't release Christine's Classic card. Clearly, there are some people that won't buy it but I'm sure alot of people will.

I also don't like this idea of "I don't want to see it so I want to try to keep Anyone from being able to see it!". That's wrong.
:(

I did not expect this much discussion about the card/Girl and history,. but Thank you all for your comments and opinions.
I would like it if Christine Young read this! I'd tell her to call me! So i could ask her to let me "feel Young" ! ;)
Instead! Tis Karma calling me,. I had get out my reading glasses!
LOL! Ahh those day's of youth!

For me It's not that i think she she looks Young, I just think she is a pretty VGirl ;)

I have seen Gals that are Older and look as youthful. Ya! for them IMO.
On another note ,. The stuff they put in food these day's ,. I have seen 15 year old girls That look 21. That's what scare's me!! :p

I assume you talk about my post,@91hebashu.
"Seriously ??? I don't see the point in wanting some sort of explanation from Totem about why they hired Christine. They don't really have to explain why they're trying to make a profit. Do they ?? "

First of all,please don`t change my words in a way how you like it.
I didn`t say they must come with an explanation about Christine Young or something else.
I said only I would like "to hear" HIS PERSONAL OPINION(maybe Rex`s opinion or someone from The Team) IF HE(THEY) WANTS(WANT),regarding of look of Christine.

"I don't agree with trying to tell them that they shouldn't release Christine's Classic card"
I don`t try anything.It`s only your imagination.
I said ONLY I would like to see an official message from The Team here.

I don`t see a bad thing if they will come with one post regarding of releasing card of Christine.
The title of this thread "My Classic Question To Totem" is adressed to Totem and I don`t see a bad thing if they will come with an official message here on this thread.

Second,I said I don`t have nothing against releasing this card.

Third,it seems I`m accused after CV was accused that I try to stop releasing this card.
Oh,I didn`t know I have so much influence on Totem to stop to be released this card:)))))

I`m free to express my opinion like you do,@91hebashu.
If I`m not agree with you,this doesn`t mean that I must keep my mouth shutted.

You heated up too quickly regarding of my post,@91hebashu.
Chill out,otherwise you`ll explode:)))

I will stop now posting because I don`t want to start an argue with you.
No need to reply again at this post,@91hebashu.
Anyway if you`ll do it I won`t reply again,because like I said I don`t want to start a "fight" with you.

I don`t like that some members try to keep the mouth shutted of others if they aren`t agree with their opinions.

Anyway,if someone from the Team will come with an official message ,"heated" discussions like these will be avoided and many things will be cleared.

I know people from The Team are very busy but my opinion is they must interact with their members here on the forums more often like they do in this moment.This is my impression,maybe I`m wrong.
I don`t dare to bother them with PM`s for insignificant things like this one.

I think the real deciding factor here is this:
She is a part of Totem's Classic History.
If the Tapes are still in a condition to re-master her work, then Totem should include it as part of the Classic collection.

As far as personal feelings, everyone is going to have their own feelings and ideas.
Those who don't like "School Girl" imagery can decide not to purchase.
Those who do.. buy it..

If she was of legal age, and hasn't asked for her work to Not be released, then it should be part of the classics.

I personally like my girls to be, and look a lot older..
but I would gladly add it to my collection.

A touch of sanity in a world gone mad !...:)
Surely Totem have already given their opinion by releasing the show on VG2 !...
One man's fish is another man's poisson !...:)

CAKEYYYY !!...........rolofmao

Is This the SAME Lady?? I just saw her on the internet..The pix were free

Yup, is the same.

About the discussion, well, clearly there are two positions here. The ones that watched the show and found the content from hot to offensive, and the ones that never watched the show and want the chance to feel disgusted or excited by it. Lol.

Gonna say that the debate kinda made me extremely curious about that show, so I won't miss it if it ever see the light again. Based upon the pics, she's not one of my type, not cause she looks young or anything, simply not a fan of her looks. Nevertheless, my understanding is that the ***** wasn't about her face or her youth, but about the way she was presented in the show. So, really, the only ones with a reason to despise or like the card are those that already watched it. To others, like me, is just speculation.

I, as others said before, don't think Totem will avoid the release of this show based upon opinions if the show can be restored, unless Rex is of the same opinion that the show was not in the spirit of the product. Still plenty Classics to be released, but not that many to keep us wondering forever, so we'll find out soon. ;)

Ricky, I wasn't going to reply to you because I have observed in the past how that goes for people who do. But first, let me just say if bachelorhood is the life I have chosen for myself, what is that to you? Secondly, the poll is going just fine, as there is still above 50% who are in favor of this card's release.

The reason I bumped this thread is because I have been a long time fan of Christine Young, she is one of my all time favorites. I remember well the controversy in the VG2 days. It was not quite how Cartref would spin it. Yes, the "powers that be" at SVG were in near unanimous agreement, but to attempt to extend that agreement to all the thousands of members is very misleading. What really happened were a few people whined about her release, and the good ole boy system kicked in and they all commiserated with one another. When anybody dared to disagree they were silenced with the kiddie porn card. Which of course is totally bogus since Christine has always been legal since she entered the business. But since those in the leading position there were so adamantly in agreement, who in their right mind would really want to make waves and fall under the accusation of being a kiddie porn pervert?

It seemed unfair then to me, and it seemed that the opposing opinion was being censored by intimidation... kind of like how you want to intimidate Totem into explaining their release of her card in the first place, Ricky.

She has never looked too young to me. She has always been a sexy lady, with a cute baby face that I find very attractive. There are many people who share my taste regarding Christine. For those who think she looks too young too attempt to silence us using the kiddie porn card is intimidation - however you want to look at it. And to say that Christine is "trying to look too young" based on her choice of underwear is ridiculous. I agree that the underclothes she wore in Wet Dreams were not sexy, but who can say what her motive was? It's likely she just thought they were cute. Maybe we should boycott the company who made them for producing them in adult sizes while we're at it.

And the meaning of 'crossing the line' is clear. It was not I who introduced it into this thread, but as you can see, the same old tactics were very quickly fallen back upon. Nor was it I who introduced CV's husband to this thread. So if anybody is to be blamed for that, one should review the thread and see who introduced him into it.

Oh, one final thing. I never intended to single out CV, or anybody else here as being responsible for holding up this card's release. Reading back through my posts, I am still not sure how she got that idea. Put let my apology for the misunderstanding be on the record. If she wants to hold a grudge, that her decision.

Fellas,
I think everyone has put his opinion across and the point has been made and I think it is for everyone to read and make up his mind...
Lets not get into this blame game syndrome... Its pretty clear from the poll of the DIVERSE opinion in this matter and the Poll as it stands in too close to call...
Everyone participating in discussions here are all well respected and old members and EVERYONE'S opinion is well respected... WA's post has put a fair take on what should happen in a nut shell rather than our marathon posts ..lol..
I think the matter should be laid to rest now...

Have A Good Day @all!!!

Thank you @nickhil.

All opinions should be respected and any further discussion should remain that also.

Thank you @all

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